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troni 03-07-2012 04:42 AM

Kony 2012
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Mnp...e_gdata_player

skabooya 03-07-2012 05:28 PM

I literally JUST watched this off my facebook and I was going to post it here. This is such a worthy cause. Kony needs to be stopped.
I am going to sign the petition and look into getting an action kit. I am going to talk to my staff rep to see if this can be done for our school too.
Its a big issue and yes, he needs to become famous like Hitler to be stopped.

cordeiro 03-07-2012 05:48 PM

I just watched this aswell and ordered a kit! It needs to be out there and he needs to be stopped at all costs

Delphinus 03-07-2012 07:35 PM

A slightly different viewpoint on this.

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com


And an even further slightly different viewpoint ..

http://www.wrongingrights.com/

globaldesigns 03-07-2012 08:24 PM

Wow, very powerful!!!

I personally hope that humanity as a whole can one day stand together as one and take down evil, like Joseph Kony. This video just shows that we can make a difference if we really want to.

Video worth watching.

Delphinus 03-07-2012 08:37 PM

Please read the first link I posted before you consider donating any money.

The second link I posted is good for a small laugh I guess, but the first one is dead serious. By supporting Invisible Children you are funding the Ugandan militia which might not be what you want (if it's what you want then I guess don't listen to me but at least make an informed decision).

For what it's worth, I fell for this yesterday as well. It's hard not to get caught up in it. Warlords are bad! I'm sure Kony is a terrible person and needs to brought to justice. But supporting Invisible Children (which you do by even sharing the link) might not be the most appropriate avenue to that goal.

The reality is that this is a chain letter ("bad things will happen if you don't immediately share this with your friends and family!") and EVERY chain letter is something you should look at with a healthy dose of suspicion and skepticism.

globaldesigns 03-07-2012 08:52 PM

I think it is up to the individual, if they wish to donate or not, to any cause.

There is evil!!!! Humanity tends to turn the cheak, but I do feel that enough is enough... I agree with video's like this, maybe not the cause, but the idealogy that as a whole, "We the People" can make a change for the better.

From dictorships that kill their people to maintain power, from people like Joseph Kony that kill to get power, from people that just kill for their own wrong reasons... Why?

Too many why's in this world, I wish one day we can put forth more effort to just get along and take care of each other. Probably never will happen, but it would be nice.

Delphinus 03-07-2012 09:00 PM

It is up to the individual, but please make it an informed choice.

Again, I say, read the link. It won't take the 30 minutes that watching the video will, and it should arm you enough to fully consider things before committing to any action.

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

Here is a good quote from there:

"Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem.

Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on supporting ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse.

If you want to write to your Member of Parliament or your Senator or the President or the Prime Minister, by all means, go ahead. If you want to post about Joseph Kony’s crimes on Facebook, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012."

globaldesigns 03-07-2012 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delphinus (Post 691075)
It is up to the individual, but please make it an informed choice.

Again, I say, read the link. It won't take the 30 minutes that watching the video will, and it should arm you enough to fully consider things before committing to any action.

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

Here is a good quote from there:

"Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem.

Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on supporting ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse.

If you want to write to your Member of Parliament or your Senator or the President or the Prime Minister, by all means, go ahead. If you want to post about Joseph Kony’s crimes on Facebook, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012."

Very valid points Tony, but you gotta start somewhere. And it isn't like you can give evil a big hug, and make it all better. Sorry to say, but it sometimes takes killing to stop the killing.

I do disagree that we the people cannot make change utilizing technology, etc... Look at many of the worlds countries, using such technologies to gather and revolt, to overthrough there dictorships for the better good of their people. This past year or so has been a busy one, many changes happening on the other side of the globe. Do you think this would of happened 30 years ago? Maybe... but I am sure technologies, the ability and ease to speak to masses, the WWW have greatly played a part with today's changes. Better or worse.

HEHE.... not trying to debate with you buddy, I really do see your point and hope others do also. Stepping down off the soap box now. :lol:

Funky_Fish14 03-07-2012 09:26 PM

Dangit, I was mid-reply and the page reloaded? Very impressed...

I gotta admit, I watched the video and ordered the kit, then Tony, I saw your links. I understand that although they may be going about it in a way that isnt entirely fair or logical, at least it is getting attention, because as of yesterday, aside from the viral craze that had launched on my facebook, I'd never heard of Kony (though had heard of the LRA). He is obviously a negative person, because I looked it up and he is indeed indicted by the ICC, and they wouldn't put him on there for no reason. Gotta be one heck of a character to make it on there.

I'll keep spreading the info though(including, I WILL write to an MP), because at least its getting the word out about Joseph Kony himself. But I will also make reference to the info you have added, Tony.

Cheers,

Chris

Magma 03-07-2012 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delphinus (Post 691050)
A slightly different viewpoint on this.

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com


And an even further slightly different viewpoint ..

http://www.wrongingrights.com/


Best links of the day ^ finally something opposing it which I can share on facebook instead of having that video posted to my wall 1000x

Reef Pilot 03-07-2012 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delphinus (Post 691065)
Please read the first link I posted before you consider donating any money.

The second link I posted is good for a small laugh I guess, but the first one is dead serious. By supporting Invisible Children you are funding the Ugandan militia which might not be what you want (if it's what you want then I guess don't listen to me but at least make an informed decision).

For what it's worth, I fell for this yesterday as well. It's hard not to get caught up in it. Warlords are bad! I'm sure Kony is a terrible person and needs to brought to justice. But supporting Invisible Children (which you do by even sharing the link) might not be the most appropriate avenue to that goal.

The reality is that this is a chain letter ("bad things will happen if you don't immediately share this with your friends and family!") and EVERY chain letter is something you should look at with a healthy dose of suspicion and skepticism.

The sad truth is that there are many, many similar organizations under the guise of charity or some noble movement, ready to take your money to further their own interests or occupation. This includes Hollywood celebrities or athletes trying to improve their image. And some are just scams. The internet and social networking has made this just so much easier for them.

I don't know whether Kony 2012 is legit or not, but would do a little more research before sending them my money. There are enough legitimate charitable organizations (like the Red Cross) that I would trust before taking a chance on these guys.

troni 03-08-2012 12:21 AM

Why do people always become negative? Did you even know about him 3 days ago? No! So for the most part its absolutely great. As far as where they're money goes I heard a blurb on the news and they're getting critized for putting to much money towards education in usa. Main thing is awareness now we think its bad and the governments might do something.

Reef Pilot 03-08-2012 12:50 AM

I would like to believe Kony 2012 is legit, but when I watched the vid, a few things just didn't make sense, and a few flags went up for me. And now I read this. Hard to know what to believe, but like I said, better orgs to trust with your money IMO.
http://blog.joerenken.com/2012/03/07...-2012-exposed/

http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02...ible-children/

troni 03-08-2012 01:18 AM

Don't send money. Get past the money.

Delphinus 03-08-2012 01:19 AM

I'm not negative except when it comes to being manipulated, and this video, make no mistake, is manipulating you. If you decide to investigate this non-profit organization and independently come to the conclusion that this is worthy of your support - then go for it. But if you just watch the video and share it and/or support them financially without a shred of any kind of scrutiny beyond your emotional reaction beyond watching the video - then you have been played. If that doesn't bother you .. then OK. Suit yourself. It bothers me however. Plus there are a number of other issues beyond the whole chain letter aspect that raise a huge number of red flags for me.

And come on. Before this video you didn't know there were warlords in Africa that do terrible things? That seems doubtful. Sorry.

Delphinus 03-08-2012 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troni (Post 691251)
Don't send money. Get past the money.

Actually, Ok, I'll concede you this point. If you educate yourself and independently come to the conclusion that you want to do something to help, and/or educate others .. then that is a GoodThing(tm). But the difference there is that you've made an informed choice. If I ask anything of anyone, it is that.

skabooya 03-08-2012 02:13 AM

I researched the invisible children foundation a bit before I went onto my "stickit" duty. I WILL NOT be purchasing anything from them nor donating anything to them. The video is still a good one however and I do believe that making Kony "famous" will bring awareness. If the government sees that the people care then maybe they will too. However, look how that is going for our own children in the Bill 22 war. If they don't care about our kids, why would they care about others.
Still, its good to know about this A double S.


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