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fragNplug 01-06-2009 03:33 PM

Good News
 
Unsure if this is appropriate to post here about this but reading online news today i found something i think may interest everyone.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...010600211.html

President Bush will create three new marine national monuments in the Pacific Ocean today

The monuments, which together are equal in size to Spain, include regions teeming with sharks and other top marine predators, along with vibrant coral and hydrothermal vents.

JDigital 01-06-2009 06:17 PM

I didn't think Bush was the president anymore...

Whatigot 01-06-2009 06:29 PM

Jan 25th is his last day I believe.

awa1979 01-06-2009 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDigital (Post 375003)
I didn't think Bush was the president anymore...

He is the president until January 20th until approx 12 Noon with the new president will be sworn in and at that time all the powers and privileges will be transferred to Obama.


Bush may not have the best environmental record, but when it comes to protecting the ocean he has done a decent job with creating marine reserves, he did so in Hawaii as well a few years back with the creation of

OCDP 01-07-2009 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awa1979 (Post 375030)
He is the president until January 20th until approx 12 Noon with the new president will be sworn in and at that time all the powers and privileges will be transferred to Obama.


Bush may not have the best environmental record, but when it comes to protecting the ocean he has done a decent job with creating marine reserves, he did so in Hawaii as well a few years back with the creation of

Please continue... :lol:

justinl 01-07-2009 11:52 PM

say what you will about the guy but in the end, as of two days ago, this one act makes him the most beneficial president in history for marine conservation. this act really is a milestone. Personally I think he did it to save face more than anything else after his myriad screw ups, but that doesn't take away from the fact that these are the largest marine reserves in history.

awa1979 01-08-2009 12:51 AM

President Bush on Thursday created the world's largest marine protected area — a group of remote Hawaiian islands that cover 84 million acres and are home to 7,000 species of birds, fish and marine mammals, at least a quarter of which are unique to Hawaii.

The national monument, about the size of California, is larger even than Australia’s Great Barrier Reef Marine Park.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13300363/

The above is from 2006.

President Bush today will create three national monuments in the Pacific Ocean, protecting 195,000 square miles around the Northern Mariana Islands, as reported today in the Los Angeles Times and elsewhere. The monuments: Rose Atoll, the Mariana Trench and the Pacific Remote Islands.

Add this to the 145,000 square miles surrounding the Northwest Hawaiian Islands, which was protected in 2006, and you have by far the largest area set aside for protection by any political leader in the world.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outp...lash-pres.html


Bush has now protected more ocean habitat (333,000 square miles) than any of his predecessors.

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/c...D3aPc:_Yyc:aUU



The above is the most recent.


I don't like the guy, but he has taking a liking to the oceans it seems, he even went against the wishes of Dick Cheney with the most recent protections.

fragNplug 01-08-2009 01:55 AM

all in all, bad president or not, anything that anyone does to save the eco system is good in my view.

Slick Fork 01-08-2009 04:52 AM

You know and I almost hate to say it but I sometimes feel a bit sorry for the guy. All you ever hear about are his mistakes and don't get me wrong, he's made some big ones, but the Iraq war didn't really become unpopular in the US until it became apparent that this wasn't one of those conflicts that they could go in, do their job and come home without losing anybody

Anyways, not wanting to jump into that debate... but President Bush has done more for the oceans then any other world leader in History, which really does contradict with his thoughts on offshore oil drilling. He's also spent more on combatting A.I.D.S. in Africa then any other president, his "no child left behind" programs have had a tremendous effect on literacy, particularly in poorer regions of the southern U.S. He's done some really good things with his time.

It will be interesting to see how history judges him 20 years down the road.

GreenSpottedPuffer 01-08-2009 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick Fork (Post 375535)
You know and I almost hate to say it but I sometimes feel a bit sorry for the guy. All you ever hear about are his mistakes and don't get me wrong, he's made some big ones, but the Iraq war didn't really become unpopular in the US until it became apparent that this wasn't one of those conflicts that they could go in, do their job and come home without losing anybody

Anyways, not wanting to jump into that debate... but President Bush has done more for the oceans then any other world leader in History, which really does contradict with his thoughts on offshore oil drilling. He's also spent more on combatting A.I.D.S. in Africa then any other president, his "no child left behind" programs have had a tremendous effect on literacy, particularly in poorer regions of the southern U.S. He's done some really good things with his time.

It will be interesting to see how history judges him 20 years down the road.

I agree, most people have no idea of some of the good he has done because its so easy to focus on the bad. Now he has not been a very good president for the US or the world for that matter and I am certainly not defending him :) but as you said, he has done some pretty amazing things.

This one is huge. Its been something like 140 years since the first National Park (Yellowstone) in the US and never has any marine location been given the same respect and protection. Now he has not only created the first Marine National parks but they are huge at that...they restrict fishing, drilling, ect. and happen to protect many large shark populations.

Its easy to say he has done this to save face but its not just that...little know fact about Bush is that he quite the "ocean lover" and always has been. Apparently he has always had a great fascination and love for the ocean and its creatures. But again, we usually just hear about his apparent love for war :D

GreenSpottedPuffer 01-12-2009 04:55 PM

Man I was just reading this again and realized I hate how supportive I sound of Bush...

Well, if guilt makes one do things which are good for the world, that good is still a good, no matter what the motivation. A goal is a goal, and really doesn't matter if it dribbled in off the tender's fingers, or was a brilliant strike from midfield. (Love soccer)

Where am I going with this?

What Bush did for the world's oceans a few weeks back was an act of incredible
sensitivity, even if he did it to cover up 8 years of a White House Ponzi scheme to confuse taxpayer citizen's. The protective measures are an incredible goal for the u.S., no matter the reason it got there.

BUT. Read the attached. What a disgusting man, even if only part of these things are true. As facts emerge, he is trying to cover up 8 years of wrongdoings (torture, Abu Graib, lies about how strong domestic Iraq securities forces are becoming, uranium in Africa which was the final straw to invade Iraq and which is now known to be an utterly open and disgusting lie, and so on).

The Ponzi scheme? Keep spending taxpayer money to finance these lies, and tell the American public that democracy and world peace are their return on investment. But when no more money can be borrowed, the truth comes out. Always does.

Sorry about the rant...I just hate how I sounded in that last post ;)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/op..._r=1&th&emc=th

Doug 01-12-2009 08:55 PM

Yer becoming political now. Guess what happens then. :D


:lol:

GreenSpottedPuffer 01-12-2009 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug (Post 376898)
Yer becoming political now. Guess what happens then. :D


:lol:

I....Uh....get a prize?

Honestly I have no idea???

This is a political thread, so...

fragNplug 01-13-2009 06:11 AM

i started this thread to inform guys of what happened in the usa about the protection of reef landscape, and seems everyone has focused on bush and his wrong doings over the last 2 terms, not that i am one to dismiss the fact that he was probably in my opinion the worst USA president ever, the fact that he actually did some good as he was leaving office is impressive. But then again this was his last stand, he have 8 other years to do good things and did very little cept make the USA poor over war, and blow the world economy to nothing.
If he had done something as good as this every month of his 8 years we all would be better off in the long run.

As for the new president oboma, he better go green!

Doug 01-13-2009 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenSpottedPuffer (Post 376953)
I....Uh....get a prize?

Honestly I have no idea???

This is a political thread, so...

Taken from Lounge main page;


*Anything off topic (i.e. doesn't fit in other forums) and non-commercial (subject to Staff's discretion), but please keep it civil and exercise common sense. E.g., No religion/politics, no offensive material, no items for*

:smile:

GreenSpottedPuffer 01-13-2009 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug (Post 377061)
Taken from Lounge main page;


*Anything off topic (i.e. doesn't fit in other forums) and non-commercial (subject to Staff's discretion), but please keep it civil and exercise common sense. E.g., No religion/politics, no offensive material, no items for*

:smile:

Oh....Whoops. Sorry Doug :)

I actually just thought that was a RC uptight rule :D Never even crossed my mind that in a more liberal Canadian forum it would be a big deal.

I guess I should actually READ the rules sometime.

Doug 01-13-2009 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenSpottedPuffer (Post 377229)
Oh....Whoops. Sorry Doug :)

I actually just thought that was a RC uptight rule :D Never even crossed my mind that in a more liberal Canadian forum it would be a big deal.

I guess I should actually READ the rules sometime.

Hey no problem. You guys were just getting close to the line :lol:
Actually except for maybe RDO, most other boards are the same. Political & religious discussion always ends in a heated argument, which really has no place on an aquarium board.

For anyone wishing to argue those topics, for whatever reason, on a reefing board, {I know thats not this thread}, give the sump on RDO a go. :smile: Actually RC even created its own board for that purpose, but it got so bad I think they closed it. :lol:

And I would guess there are boards out there, for discussing those topics, { discussing, :lol:, now thats a laugh}.

Anywho, like most of the other reefing boards, we just dont wish to moderate those types of threads or have to make decisions on our members after they get into a heated argument and name calling session. :lol:

GreenSpottedPuffer 01-14-2009 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug (Post 377244)
Hey no problem. You guys were just getting close to the line :lol:
Actually except for maybe RDO, most other boards are the same. Political & religious discussion always ends in a heated argument, which really has no place on an aquarium board.

For anyone wishing to argue those topics, for whatever reason, on a reefing board, {I know thats not this thread}, give the sump on RDO a go. :smile: Actually RC even created its own board for that purpose, but it got so bad I think they closed it. :lol:

And I would guess there are boards out there, for discussing those topics, { discussing, :lol:, now thats a laugh}.

Anywho, like most of the other reefing boards, we just dont wish to moderate those types of threads or have to make decisions on our members after they get into a heated argument and name calling session. :lol:

Yup totally makes sense! I forget how these threads WILL turn out if there was not that rule. I feel like we should be able to discuss these topics and not get out of hand. I have very strong beliefs myself but always make sure I try to understand where people with opposing views are coming from and although I usually still will not agree with their views in the end, I really believe its important to respect them...

Sorry, hope this is not also political somehow!

Oh and BTW, I have no interest in finding a forum to "argue" in :lol: I just happened to have a view on this subject and chimed in since it was already here.


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