Do you know about the free ananomies?
 

I got a few Ananomies from the local ocean and slowly raised the temp in the tank and now moved then over to the large tank and they are doing great. Very colorful :lol:

Unfortunately their metabolism is designed for cold water, and they won't last long term in a warm tank. I'm also not real sure you're allowed to harvest them from the wild. A really good thing might be to put them back where you got them and hope they recover. JMO.

I agree with Brad.

Chris

Please dont put them back as who knows what kind of disease or whatnot it could have picked up from your tank. You don't want to introduce some parasite or what have you into local waters. Putting them back now is not an option. :frown:

sigh, I suppose you're right.

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What if they do survive? Do you have any pics?

Can't they be re-acclimated and maybe given a fresh water dip or something so that they can be put back? Just curious.

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What if something does survive and flourish in the local waters..?
You could have a scenario similar to the rabbit in australia.. :eek:
Safer to keep them, hope they will survive in your tank, and not take anymore from the local waters when the others do perish.

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I wonder if thats what happened to the urchins of the Caribean. They all died about 20 years ago, it happened so fast that they never had the chance to figure out why. The reefs are all dying as a result.

I agree that putting them back into their natural enviroment could be a very bad idea. You could introduce a nasty into the area and cause alot of trouble.

However, if you were to set up a cold water tank (or even a cool water tank if you don't have chiller) for your cold water species, that might be the best option for you and your new pets.

i'm pretty sure whatever he can introduce, will not to do any harm to the ocean..

Its thinking like that that helps cause damage to our ecosystems.. :frown:

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You'd be surprised at what can happen when one creature dies off. A cascading effect can occure that causes multiple issues. Like I said before, when the urchins of the Caribean all died suddenly (unknown reason) the reefs ALL started to die. This is because the urchins weren't there to clean off the macro algea and create optimal growing conditions for SPS and LPS corals. In turn, all of the organizms that require these types of corals for their survival died off too, and so on. Only recently have major breeding opperations have begun to try and re-propigate the urchin populations, and on test reefs they have already noticed increased coral growth where urchins have returned. At a mear cost of millions to the American tax payers.

So you see, any small change in Earths delicate ecosystems effects us all.

Cheers!

just don't think anything that could be in our tanks is an issue... i'm more concerned with ships spewing their exhaust,oil... what about sewage etc. etc.

lol we are talking one anemone, getting put back into trillions of gallons of water...... i'm pretty sure there is enough dilution going on....

ever swim in the ocean??

Wow never thought 3 amanos would start all this...
 

Wow never thought 3 ananos from the local waters can cause the sea to die :eek: Well I had them in my big tank for 9 month now and all they do is eat, split, and keep on growing. My tank temp is at 75F and looks like they are loving the warm temp. The local Amanos can be found along the west cost of North America so that mean they also live in the warm waters of CA. That is why I started this test and it just shows that they can live in both warm and cold waters. Also if you walk down to the beach you can see that when the tie goes out these ananos can site with out water and under hot sun for hours and still be alive :eek: They are very hardy!!

I will try to post some pics after the pink one finsh spliting.

Ive been in the ocean numerous times. But my point is...
If a non-native species of parasite (or anything really for that matter) gets into the local waters and starts to flourish and outcompetes the native species for food, or even feasting on the native species. Pretty soon you are left with none of the original species. There is a great potential for disaster when you think like that. Oh and btw parasites do not dilute in water.. :rolleyes:

I gotta agree with Muck on this. A couple of examples I can think of are the Zebra Mussel on the Great Lakes and, now don't quote me on this, but I believe there has recently been some debate here on the West Coast, lately, about farmed Atlantic Salmon and sea lice associated with that fish and that the lice is perceived to be encroaching on wild indigenous salmon stocks.

I vote to not return the anemones to the ocean. Sure, the chances of any contamination are probably remote, but unless the person is a marine biologist that knows what they are doing, why take the chance? Best to leave well enough alone, IMHO. Oh ya, and not take anymore unless legally allowed.

Cheers,

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I had no idea that you've had them for 9 months already. They are hardy indead. I guess they must be used to temperature fluctuations and what not. Tell us more about the tank they are in; size, flow, ph, other tankmates etc. And yes, pics would be awsome.

There's nothing saying that a person can't have a successful cool or cold water SW tank going, if given the proper care and attention...

However, if you think hobbyists cannot damage the natural environment, read on.

Caulerpa taxifolia has wreaked havoc by becoming endemic in several areas in which it is non-native. Guess how it got into those areas? Look no further than fellow hobbyists carelessly disposing of cuttings. Seems we are far from innocent in this hobby. Several jurisdictions ban the traffic of this species altogether due to the irresponsible methods of disposal in the past.

http://aquat1.ifas.ufl.edu/seagrant/cautax2.html
http://www.ridnis.ucdavis.edu/Caulerpataxifolia.html
http://www.tijuanaestuary.com/exotics.asp
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/southeast...ulerpamain.htm
http://www.projectpacific.org/caulerpa_taxifolia.html
http://ozreef.org/content/view/94/2/

Interesting quote from this last site:
Can you imagine? Wow, eh? :eek:

I assume Amanos/Ananos are Anemones? or are we talking about Amano Shrimp?

Enlighten me please. This is a new critter and I can't seem to wrap my head about what it looks like.

No, really? duhhhh.

It only takes 1 cell infected with the HIV virus to kill you. How many millions of cells are in your body?

edit: sorry, I see you've been bashed about that already, heh. didn't see the "page 2" part when I was replying.

i actually wasnt thinking along the lines of parasites when i typed the dilution thing. i still think it would take a hell of alot more then one parasite on an anemone to do have any serious effects.

might as well just agree to disagree on this matter.

oh boy I never thought it would start all this...
 

Ok every body looks like there are people here that are mad at me taking the local wild life out of the water and then there are some that think is ok. I'm not saying what I did was right but at the same time don't you think we are all guilty of taking these little life out of their homes and put them in some where they don't belong just to satisfy our wants?

What is the difference of me taking a life from my local water compaired to some third world under paid person that is working in dangers enviorment using drugs or nets to catch these little lifes and then sending them on a 24-48hr flight where more then 30% will die then end up at our local fish store? The way I look at it is at least I only have to transport 5 min instead of 24-48hr and I did my home work and took a calculative risk compaired to some people that just walks in to a store and buys corls or fish when they don't have the right setup.

Have you looked in to the local fish store's tank the day after they recived a new shippment? Why don't you try to count the dead fish?

There is no way any one can justfy that they are not leaving an eco foot print with this hubby. So don't try to sound like you care. If you realy do then take down your tank.

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Hi danny zubot here is a little info on the setup:

I started the Anamos in a 10gal with a ph of 7.9 since my local sea water was at this level. I transported 10gal of the local sea water with the 10gal RO water bottles. This way there won't be any stress on the Ananos.

Rased the temp with in 3 month from 15c to 25c and also increased the ph with in this time as well. Water change was done once every 3 weeks. The filer system was the Eclips hood (filter with bio wheel) so there was not very high flow of water. Lighting was a 10 watt blue light from Walmart and it did very well. One thing about these ananos is that they don't like strong light so they will move in to shad area's if you have strong light.

I feed them clames, fish, squid and shirmp. They seems to eat every thing and if they don't like it they will just spit it out. I have one pink tiped two green with red tip. The pink tiped started about 1inch fully opened and now it has grown to 3inch and split twice. The green colored ones also started around 1inch and now is about 2inch. The green ones didn't grow too much but they started to have white round tips all around the out side wich is very pertty. The green ones split about twice now I think.

So now they are in my temp tank since I'm moving. It's a 20gal reef. There is a clown, dorf yellow angle, cleanner shirp, some hermit crabs and sails and a red star fish. They all get alone. Some times the yellow angle will nib at the ananos but that's realy all.

I just added a new pice of rock in the tank and it is blocking the light from one of the green and red tiped ananos and I have noticed the green color is fadding. I guess there is not enough light but the anano is not moving so I guess he is still liking the spot.

Any more question? Let me know.

pics!!!

Obviously, the anemones are not going back into the sea. Chill.

One point that was missed here is whether it is legal to take anemones off the beach. All marine life is protected by the department of fisheries and oceans so I would check the regulations before picking one of the beach, or dubbing them free anemones.

At the very least you probably need a salt water fishing license to take one.

You missed one point regarding your argument vs. local wildlife/tropical wildlife. The majority of us try to mimic our livestocks natural location to the best of our abilities. Keeping an local anemone used to cold water in a 75 degree tank is hardly doing that.

Just my .02.

I don't think a glass box is quite replicating their natural habitat. That would be like sticking us in a glass room, and putting a few trees and some grass in it, and calling it a replica of our natural habitat.

We've done so much already to destroy the world we live in, which I believe is inevitable fate anyways, so really, I don't think it matters much to the world if someone nabs an anemone out of the ocean and climatises it to live in warmer water inside a glass box.

couldn't have said it better.

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If this was aimed at me...
I never said I was mad at you for taking local wild anemones for your tank. In fact I don't have a problem with it as long as it is legal to do so. The only point I was really trying to stress was now that you have taken an anemone out of the local ocean (and kept it in your tank along with life from Tropical Oceans) was to please please do not put it back in the wild.
If not I still said my piece...

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IMO, if the anemone is alive and thriving at that temp, then it would be considered a success. I'm not sure how I feel about the ethics of taking local live stock from the coast. Both sides have valid points, and if I lived on the coast I might be tempted to do the same thing.

Emphasis on TRY, never said we WERE replicating their habitat.

My point was that keeping a local anemone in a reef tank is not TRYING to replicate its habitat.
:biggrin:

IMO taking livestock from local waters is the same as livestock being taken from tropical waters. Actually, i think its even better, because so few people collect around here, whereas some areas in the tropics are over-harvested. Its a tough hobby we are in, and the best way is to be sensible about it. When you buy from the store, try to buy tank-raised creatures or ones that are MAC certified. When you collect from local waters, collect only from areas with a strong population of the particular organism, and try to provide the best possible home for it.

Acclimatizing the anenomes to your tropical marine tank probebly worked because they were most likely tidepool creatures, and can withstand much warmer temperatures. However, in nature they also get cold bursts of water when the tide comes in, so one can assume they require this to flourish. I think its a good experiment (as so much of this hobby is!), but please dont release back into the wild if you have mixed temperate and tropical. Just like people have been saying, you could release a real nasty.

-Diana

Yikes, I think everyone has stressed their points enough!

It has been said once.... it's not going back in . Chill .

and uhhh.. pics? :idea:

What species are these local anemones?

Cheers,

they sound like they are doing awesome.. BRING ON THE PICS!!! :biggrin: :cool: :cool:

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Hi every I'm new so I will try to figur out how to post pics. I don't think it will be too hard. I will take some pic's after the pink one has fished spliting. I just checked today and looks like is retracted in to this cave.

They are from the family called the gaint green ananos. You can look it up on Google for more info.

Cheers

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I have collected snails and crabs from the local shores when I lived on Van Island. The crabs became a food source for my lion fish and the snails thrived in the tank. When I move back to the coast I am going to build a cold water tank with local species and use ocean water for nutrients. Lets see those Pics :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

If you can't find a hit on :eek:

This might help, interesting thread for sure.....
http://www.mbayaq.org/efc/living_spe...ab=4&inhab=157

Only thinks I got are yes you need a permit to collect them from local waters (I actually checked into it) and second, in the long run you are killing them, yes they will live in warmer waters (75 is still cooler than most reef tanks) but they will not have a normal lifespan as they cannot cope with permanently increased temperates and this increases there metabolism dramatically and will cause them to age prematurely.
third as mention you cannot return them to the ocean due to possible pathogen/parasite issues if you have had anything else in the tank that is non native, heck even native display tanks that have been separated from the ocean cannot be returned so basically you have taken a beautifully local species and sentenced it to death.

Steve