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toolmanbmw 07-10-2012 11:16 PM

DIY 72 LED build
 
Hey guys. Just received my 72 led from aquastyle. Going to build my LED lights for my 75 gallon. Will post more picture as I progress with the build. Enjoy
http://img.tapatalk.com/4ac696ff-b994-5b77.jpg
This is the heat sink where the LEDs are going to be mounted.


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toolmanbmw 07-11-2012 04:48 AM

http://img.tapatalk.com/44944e7d-05f7-c75b.jpg
These are the LEDs I will be using. 36 royal blue, 18 10k white, 18 6.5k white.

http://img.tapatalk.com/44944e7d-0659-37b0.jpg
LEDs layout,18 LEDs per heatsink.

http://img.tapatalk.com/44944e7d-06ac-7b2a.jpg
The ballast that I will be using. Blue on one and white on the other. 12 LEDs per string and 3 strings per ballast. That should give me around 620ma per LED.

Questions, comments, and suggestions are welcome.


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Cal_stir 07-11-2012 08:17 PM

you might want to reconsider your white-blue ratio, I originally went with a 50/50 ratio but found it to be too white, I now run 24 wh and 48 blue which gives me about 20,000K. I also run blue and royal blue. IMO.

Snaz 07-11-2012 08:23 PM

I use these same emitters in 50/50 ratio and I dim back the whites to about 80% and I like the result. If I was to change mine I would substitute some reds instead of the white.

SeaHorse_Fanatic 07-11-2012 09:21 PM

On my setup, I have 8 x 10w blues at full power and the 20 combined 10000k, 6500k & 20000k are barely on for a 15-20000k blueish look which we prefer.

For those used to metal halides, the intensity of LEDs will be a big surprise and how dim you'll have to set your lights to NOT light shock your corals will make you think the tank is dim.

toolmanbmw 07-11-2012 10:03 PM

Thanks for the input guys. I think I will do what snaz is doing and dim the white. They will be hooked up to the VDM port of the apex. How do you guys like your LEDs?


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Cal_stir 07-12-2012 02:09 AM

I love mine, sunrise/sunset simulation, shimmer, good coral growth, low heat and energy efficient, no lamp replacement.

claymax 07-12-2012 02:46 AM

i had 1:1 rb:cw ratio and didnt like it, the 2:1 royal blue to neutral white is waaaay nicer IMO. GL with build

Snaz 07-12-2012 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by toolmanbmw (Post 730337)
Thanks for the input guys. I think I will do what snaz is doing and dim the white. They will be hooked up to the VDM port of the apex. How do you guys like your LEDs?


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I love my LEDs. I went from 2 x 13W Power Compact lights to LED so I have no comparison to MH. I think anyone in the know would say my tank is too white but I like it. I have seen Seahorse_Fanatic's big tank and it is gorgeous of course but a little too blue for my liking.

Here is a true colour FTS with blue and whites at 100%

http://snaz.com/marine/870.jpg

scherzo 07-12-2012 05:29 AM

Looks good... Thanks for so,e great ideas.

BTW. What is the rose/salmon colored coral on the left?

toolmanbmw 07-12-2012 06:17 AM

http://img.tapatalk.com/44944e7d-6dac-d9db.jpg

All the LEDs gluded on. Time to wire them up tomorrow.

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Snaz 07-12-2012 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolmanbmw (Post 730481)
http://img.tapatalk.com/44944e7d-6dac-d9db.jpg

All the LEDs gluded on. Time to wire them up tomorrow.

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Good job. It looks like a lot of emitters on each bar... are the bars going to be enough of a heatsink or am I missing something?

scherzo 07-12-2012 08:15 AM

Whoops just realized that Snaz wasn't the OP. sorry about that earlier strange question.

But.. I do have a question. Where did you order the parts from? I'm thinking of doing a build like this soon.

Ross 07-12-2012 02:26 PM

Have you seen examples of a similar heatsink being effective?
Are you intending on fan cooling it some how?
It looks good, but I question the effectiveness.

toolmanbmw 07-12-2012 04:13 PM

These LEDs were ordered from aquastyle. Do a search for them.... not sure if I can post an address here.

Other people used these u channels before as heatsink. Some use fan and some didn't. I do have fans ready if needed. I will do a temp test as soon as I get them up and running.


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Snaz 07-12-2012 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolmanbmw (Post 730541)
These LEDs were ordered from aquastyle. Do a search for them.... not sure if I can post an address here.

Other people used these u channels before as heatsink. Some use fan and some didn't. I do have fans ready if needed. I will do a temp test as soon as I get them up and running.


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Make sure you have sunglasses ready. :smile:

toolmanbmw 07-12-2012 11:01 PM

I will make sure I have some sunglasses on :) Anyone know where I can find some 1 ohm 3-5W 1% resister? I went to 2 eletronic store and cant find any.... All I can find are 1 ohm 5W 5%.

gregzz4 07-12-2012 11:42 PM

If you strike out elsewhere, I've dealt with Allied before
Takes about a week

http://www.alliedelec.com/search/sea...057-4294953424

mseepman 07-12-2012 11:48 PM

Try digikey.ca they got me all my stuff.

toolmanbmw 07-12-2012 11:59 PM

Thanks guys. That's a lot of stuff on there. Anything local like in Edmonton?


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reefme 07-13-2012 12:20 AM

May I ask where you get you C-channels from?

toolmanbmw 07-13-2012 01:39 AM

I got them from homedepot.


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The Grizz 07-13-2012 01:48 AM

Hope with the channels you can keep the LEDS cool enough to get good life out of them. I know from my LEDS they put out a tonn of heat & I have to keep all 4 of my fans running on high while they are on.

toolmanbmw 07-13-2012 02:19 AM

We will soon find out..... I should have the white running sometime tonight.

toolmanbmw 07-13-2012 05:35 PM

Got the white running and I left them on over night to take some reading. The room temp was at 26, driver 58, side of heatsink 32, middle of heatsink 39. The heatsink when touch just feels warm. The driver won't burn you but she is warm. But that's running it for 10 hours on max output. Even with the blue running and no fan... I don't see a problem with these heatsink.

http://img.tapatalk.com/4ac69681-5d08-8a5a.jpg
The 6 leds on the left has 60 degrees lense on.

http://img.tapatalk.com/4ac69681-5d60-63b2.jpg
The pot is just temp until the unit is hooked up to the Apex. Measured the current for the 3 strings. 678, 670, and 660ma.

http://img.tapatalk.com/4ac69681-5e17-63f1.jpg
Driver mounting location. They got pretty warm after the overnight full power test. Any suggestions on keeping them cooler?



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mseepman 07-13-2012 06:27 PM

Very interesting build. Glad to see it coming together. This is somewhat similar to my build on a slightly smaller scale.

I was concerned about heat on some of my channel but after investigating (mostly on RC) it appears that all the LED gurus have indicated that you only need to start worrying about the heatsink temp if you can no longer touch it safely....and I'm a far cry from that as are you.

Bakman 07-13-2012 07:51 PM

Great job. Two thumb up

gregzz4 07-13-2012 08:17 PM

I'm sure someone who uses them probably has a better idea, so I'll just throw this out there ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolmanbmw (Post 730757)
Driver mounting location. They got pretty warm after the overnight full power test. Any suggestions on keeping them cooler?

Are the driver housings plastic ? If so, an old school CPU heatsink and fan are out of the question
How do you feel about mounting them away from moisture and cutting holes in them ?
Then you could use little DC fans - they come as small as 25mm

toolmanbmw 07-13-2012 09:38 PM

Are the driver housings plastic ? If so, an old school CPU heatsink and fan are out of the question
How do you feel about mounting them away from moisture and cutting holes in them ?
Then you could use little DC fans - they come as small as 25mm[/quote]

That's a pretty good idea. Trying to find out how hot these drivers need to get before I have to worry about them. I am sure they will stay nice and cool with your hole and fans idea.


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Lampshade 07-13-2012 10:58 PM

The Data Sheet for the LPF drivers says the working temp is 40-70°C and at 90°C it shuts down and won't power up until restart. Sounds like it has thermal protection, not bad at all, but I'd hate to test it :P. Generally, the cooler you can keep electronics the longer they last, fans will help the whole system and are pretty cheap, I've got a couple 140mm fans that are expensive at $20 and are near silent.

toolmanbmw 07-14-2012 05:47 AM

Thanks lampshade for the info. The lights is completed now. Just need to wait for the VDM for the apex to arrive next week. I will get some before and after leds shots.

Going to leave the light on max again tonight and take some temp tomorrow morning.

http://img.tapatalk.com/44944e7d-0984-eea5.jpg
It's so bright... my phone wouldn't focus.
The left side has all 60 degree optics. These optics makes a huge difference for the light output.

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wingedfish 07-14-2012 02:35 PM

I built this same light for a 75 gallon, (18 bridglux on a 4 foot rail, times 4) 6 months ago. No fans needed. I used 60 degree optics around the outside and 90 for the rest. It sits an inch off the water, with some dico balling. I have the intensity at 100%. It is bright, and all inhabitants seem to be fine. I used a six bulb t5ho before.

reefme 07-14-2012 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wingedfish (Post 730966)
I built this same light for a 75 gallon, (18 bridglux on a 4 foot rail, times 4) 6 months ago. No fans needed. I used 60 degree optics around the outside and 90 for the rest. It sits an inch off the water, with some dico balling. I have the intensity at 100%. It is bright, and all inhabitants seem to be fine. I used a six bulb t5ho before.

What is the size of your tank? Any SPS?

toolmanbmw 07-14-2012 03:28 PM

Mine is a 75 gallon also. My lights will be 10" off the water. Running 4 T5 and 2 250W MH. Just a few pieces of sps.

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wingedfish 07-14-2012 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefme (Post 730973)
What is the size of your tank? Any SPS?

75 gallon. Sps dominate. Tank has been up for close to two years.

reefme 07-14-2012 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wingedfish (Post 731001)
75 gallon. Sps dominate. Tank has been up for close to two years.

But what is the dimensions of the tank?

wingedfish 07-14-2012 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefme (Post 731003)
But what is the dimensions of the tank?

48x16x24

toolmanbmw 07-14-2012 05:31 PM

Almost seems these leds would put out way too much light if I have them at max.

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SeaHorse_Fanatic 07-14-2012 06:30 PM

Yes, way too much probably.

72 x 3w = 216 watts

My entire 165g has only 280 watts at max and even with the whites at 70%, it was too much for many of my LPS. Now blues at max and whites are just barely on and it gives the tank a 15000-20000k look and the corals are loving it.

I would reduce your whites and max your blues to help make your corals pop and not light-stress them when you change the lights over. Just my experience.

Cal_stir 07-14-2012 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toolmanbmw (Post 731022)
Almost seems these leds would put out way too much light if I have them at max.

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I think you have the correct # of leds but the wrong ratio of blue & white, the par is about the same except we see the whites as brighter, the corals just see the par.
I have 72 3w on my 90g, I run the blues @ 100% at 1amp (48) and the whites @ 85% at 1.3amp (24), it's @ 20,000K I think.


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