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Zoaelite 12-01-2011 01:20 AM

Watermelon Chalice:
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4816/mg5291.jpg

Sunset!!!
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2037/mg5325.jpg

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/9779/mg5220.jpg

Other sunset:
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5291/mg5359z.jpg

Mauls:
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4056/mg5125h.jpg

Midas:
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3316/mg5138.jpg

Udder Choas?
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/707/mg5257.jpg

reefwars 12-01-2011 01:41 AM

levi i just did the math seems there are 401% more zoas the title is misleading lol oh and is it safe to be growing pot so close to the mangroves lol at a slight glance it almost looked like that lol awesome pics bud your tank is one of my all time faves:):)

fishytime 12-01-2011 01:45 AM

*said in a Homer type voice* "mmmmmm....... watermelon and mauls......."......sweet pics there Leviathon


noticed your selling the halides.....more radions????

The Grizz 12-01-2011 01:52 AM

Is that a Red & Psycodelic manderaine in the 4th pic Levi?

Zoaelite 12-01-2011 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefwars (Post 655796)
levi i just did the math seems there are 401% more zoas the title is misleading lol oh and is it safe to be growing pot so close to the mangroves lol at a slight glance it almost looked like that lol awesome pics bud your tank is one of my all time faves:):)

Thanks Denny, don't worry the mangroves dont mind at all!

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishytime (Post 655801)
*said in a Homer type voice* "mmmmmm....... watermelon and mauls......."......sweet pics there Leviathon


noticed your selling the halides.....more radions????

Thanks buddy could be, will have to see what Santa brings me for Christmas haha.

Zoaelite 12-01-2011 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Grizz (Post 655805)
Is that a Red & Psycodelic manderaine in the 4th pic Levi?

Buahha I didn't try and label it because I knew I would butcher the spelling :lol:. The red colors on all of my fish have been really popping because of the new red LED's in the Radions.

reefwars 12-01-2011 02:02 AM

hey how are the babies cardinals doing?? you going to be selling them if they get bigger???


quick question too if you dont mind lol im new to the mangrove world i have 2 both seem to be growing rather well but one has no leaves and one does is there any probs with not having any leaves?? thanks buddy:)

Myka 12-01-2011 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Grizz (Post 655805)
Is that a Red & Psycodelic manderaine in the 4th pic Levi?

No mang, thems r not red Mandarins. Thems r sweet Zoas though!!!

The Grizz 12-01-2011 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoaElite (Post 655812)
Buahha I didn't try and label it because I knew I would butcher the spelling :lol:.

:rofl: I always seem to screw up the spelling of mandarin :rofl: so there just psyco's?

mat20040 12-01-2011 02:54 AM

skimmer
 
what kind of skimmer do you have?

Zoaelite 12-01-2011 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myka (Post 655820)
No mang, thems r not red Mandarins. Thems r sweet Zoas though!!!

:becky: Thanks pilgrim.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Grizz (Post 655822)
:rofl: I always seem to screw up the spelling of mandarin :rofl: so there just psyco's?

Yes sir.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mat20040 (Post 655836)
what kind of skimmer do you have?

Vertex Insump 280g of pure BEASTIENESS!

fishytime 12-01-2011 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoaElite (Post 655861)
Vertex Insump 280g of pure BEASTIENESS!

is that cuz it roared all over your walls and carpets?:razz:

lastlight 12-01-2011 07:18 AM

I think your pics are looking a lot better under the radions. Not quite so psychedelic but truer and very vibrant. When I'm ready for zoas I need to pay you a visit I think =)

reefermadness 12-01-2011 02:06 PM

Awesome Levi....I see you got a sunset monti now....well actually 2? How is the other monti looking?

love the chalice too.....good stuff.

Stones 12-01-2011 03:38 PM

I just finished reading through your entire build thread and I tip my hat to you sir! Phenomenal looking tank and you've got some serious mad photo skills.

I've got a question for you though that I didn't see come up in your build thread anywhere. Are you dosing anything to get such good growth out of your zoas and palys? I see you are running a vertex calcium reactor but are you adding anything else or running some sort of ULNS in addition? Do you regularily feed your zoas/palys any sort of of food like reef roids or reef chilli?

I've been trying to add zoas and palys to my strictly SPS reef for over a year now and they never seem to do well. Always start slowly shrivelling up and withering away shortly after adding them. Any tips would be appreciated seeing as you have a very similar setup to what I'd like to achieve.

Zoaelite 12-01-2011 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishytime (Post 655864)
is that cuz it roared all over your walls and carpets?:razz:

No my Hydor decided to roar all over my walls & carpet, the Vertex is a beastie because of it's amazing skimming ability. Pulls out some pretty nasty crud and has worked like a top since day one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 655903)
I think your pics are looking a lot better under the radions. Not quite so psychedelic but truer and very vibrant. When I'm ready for zoas I need to pay you a visit I think =)

Thanks Brett, people have said it's more difficult to take pictures under LED's but everything is coming out much crisper. Barley any PS required, still learning this camera & the program though!

Only difference in shooting is the vertex has a parabolic intensity arch while the halides had linear intensity. With the halides I set my camera settings and shot, with the Radions I need to set different settings for shooting at different times (Relative intensity will be brighter for noon than say 6pm and the color spectrum will be entirely different). Regardless I'm loving them, can't wait to upgrade the rear and dispose of my out dated PC actinics.

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefermadness (Post 655923)
Awesome Levi....I see you got a sunset monti now....well actually 2? How is the other monti looking?

love the chalice too.....good stuff.

Funny how things work as I have been looking for an actual sunset frag for a couple years now, I stumbled upon two of them within a month of each other and couldn't resist @ the prices they were going for. It's hard to say for the other one, Devan and I have had a few discussions about it as the base continues to turn more orange while the polyps become more neon green.

Would be the first time I have ever seen a "Sunset" come in from a wild shipment so the odds are leaning towards a supernatural or something similar. I will snag some photos for you next time I'm over @ the house.

Zoaelite 12-01-2011 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stones (Post 655946)
I just finished reading through your entire build thread and I tip my hat to you sir! Phenomenal looking tank and you've got some serious mad photo skills.

I've got a question for you though that I didn't see come up in your build thread anywhere. Are you dosing anything to get such good growth out of your zoas and palys? I see you are running a vertex calcium reactor but are you adding anything else or running some sort of ULNS in addition? Do you regularily feed your zoas/palys any sort of of food like reef roids or reef chilli?

I've been trying to add zoas and palys to my strictly SPS reef for over a year now and they never seem to do well. Always start slowly shrivelling up and withering away shortly after adding them. Any tips would be appreciated seeing as you have a very similar setup to what I'd like to achieve.

Well first off, thank you for the encouraging compliment always nice to see others enjoy what I'm passionate about. Species from the order Zoantharia have a REALLY variable rep when it comes to husbandry, some people can put them in a 10g with practically no equipment or time and have massive success while others spend $1000's of dollars and countless hours and still fail completely. Would be nice to see the general "Newbie" coral description tossed aside as there is a great deal of variability in keeping them.

While many believe these corals rely heavily on the symbiotic relationship between them and their photosynthetic dinoflagelletic zooxanthellae I tend to disagree. Although this relationship provides a great deal of the energy required for homeostasis and is essential for the corals well being the pathway lacks fundamental elements required for life. Mainly photosynthesis lacks the ability to form essential proteins and lipids, these compounds are biotic in nature and must be taken in to sustain life.

Being a big believer in evolution and identified the fact that every species from the order Zoantharia has an oral slit, at least one siphonoglyph, prey capture tentacles with nematocytes and a coelenteron leads me strongly in the direction that these animals do in fact eat.

So what's on the dinner table for our little Cnidarian friends?

I have experimented with a wide variety of food sources and had variable success through out. If I can sum up my experience it's that an extremely diverse food is required as the order itself is extremely diverse. Larger zoanthids such as any of the "People Eaters" (Commonly mislabeled as People eater "Palys" the species is actually Zoanthus gigantus), similar larger morphs and many of the true paly species will readily accept large meaty food such as Brine shrimp. Smaller morphs will not accept meaty food and require smaller particulate, in general foods like reef roids, reef chili, oyster eggs and DOM in solid fish waste works wonders.

I usually feed the corals nightly around 9:00-10:00 pm when the lights are just going out, fish are fed at the same time to keep them away from the polyps. Due to the size of the tank I tend to broadcast feed my mixture and keep my pumps on feed mode for around 30 minutes. One untrue statement I always come across is that zoanthids prefer "Dirty water" (That is water that has high levels of Nitrate, Nitrate and Phosphate), my system runs @ zero NO3/ NO2 with near zero levels of phosphate. A system that has clean water with a high level of organic particulate and the ability to remove excess dissolved nutrients is key to success here.

The major problem you will personally run into is that SPS and Zoanthids have very different care requirements, you need to fine tune your system to be as low nutrient as possible while maintaining a high level of feeding. Your SPS will also benefit from increased food matter in the water but will respond to excess nutrients by browning out. Finding this pivotal balance is tricky but once it's achieved it makes for one stellar looking tank!

Hope that helps,
Levi

Delphinus 12-02-2011 01:20 AM

"You should feed them. Try to keep your water quality under control too." I dunno, did I miss anything? :lol:

Zoaelite 12-02-2011 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delphinus (Post 656110)
"You should feed them. Try to keep your water quality under control too." I dunno, did I miss anything? :lol:

1337 paraphrasing skillz as always my friend haha! Guess I could of shortened my essay but I'm procrastinating on physics homework.

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BlueTang<3 12-02-2011 01:58 AM

I have learned lots about the zoa/palys in the last few months. I had never had success with any until recently, I am now keeping around 32 different varieties in my frags tank of my zeo vit tank so have extremly clean water. I have them about 3 inches from the top of the tank running a vertex illumina 200 light and feeding heavy with acan plus, ora frozen food and dried and frozen cyclopes and they have exploded.

Stones 12-02-2011 03:23 PM

Thanks Levi, I suspected you were likely feeding or dosing the tank with something to get such good growth out of your zoas and palys. I'll have to start feeding my zoas to see if I can duplicate your results or at the very least, keep my zoa frags from slowly withering away.

Zoaelite 12-07-2011 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stones (Post 656257)
Thanks Levi, I suspected you were likely feeding or dosing the tank with something to get such good growth out of your zoas and palys. I'll have to start feeding my zoas to see if I can duplicate your results or at the very least, keep my zoa frags from slowly withering away.

Your very welcome, please keep me updated with the results and what you decide to feed them. Always nice to compare and contrast what works well for others.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueTang<3 (Post 656118)
I have learned lots about the zoa/palys in the last few months. I had never had success with any until recently, I am now keeping around 32 different varieties in my frags tank of my zeo vit tank so have extremly clean water. I have them about 3 inches from the top of the tank running a vertex illumina 200 light and feeding heavy with acan plus, ora frozen food and dried and frozen cyclopes and they have exploded.

Good to hear your laving good long term results with LED's so far Wes, where are you picking up the ORA frozen food if you don't mind me asking?
Levi

BlueTang<3 12-07-2011 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoaElite (Post 657775)
Your very welcome, please keep me updated with the results and what you decide to feed them. Always nice to compare and contrast what works well for others.



Good to hear your laving good long term results with LED's so far Wes, where are you picking up the ORA frozen food if you don't mind me asking?
Levi

My bad its it ova nutramar I have been buying it at marina aquaria. It has quality marine all over the package so I assume any Lfs that gets quality livestock would have access to it. http://www.nutramar.com/ova.html

Myka 12-07-2011 01:28 AM

You found Nutramar? Lucky! I haven't seen it in ages.

Jeez Levi, now I'm all excited to get my sump hooked up to my nano for I can get that over-sized skimmer hooked up and I can feed my Zoas. :D

Zoaelite 12-11-2011 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueTang<3 (Post 657790)
My bad its it ova nutramar I have been buying it at marina aquaria. It has quality marine all over the package so I assume any Lfs that gets quality livestock would have access to it. http://www.nutramar.com/ova.html

Thanks Wes! Have yet to see it in Calgary, anyone out there know of a location? Don't think it would be very cost effective to ship in down here unfortunately.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myka (Post 657846)
You found Nutramar? Lucky! I haven't seen it in ages.

Jeez Levi, now I'm all excited to get my sump hooked up to my nano for I can get that over-sized skimmer hooked up and I can feed my Zoas. :D

Smaller tanks perform better when it comes to target feeding, much easier to saturate the water with proteins & AA and in turn create a wicked feeding response. Your over due for a nano update Mindy!

fishytime 12-11-2011 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoaElite (Post 659606)
Thanks Wes! Have yet to see it in Calgary, anyone out there know of a location? Don't think it would be very cost effective to ship in down here unfortunately.

well you know.....you do know someone who frequently goes to E-town:razz:

Zoaelite 12-11-2011 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishytime (Post 659609)
well you know.....you do know someone who frequently goes to E-town:razz:

Are you ever coming back after you move to deadmonton is the question :lol::lol::lol:?

fishytime 12-11-2011 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoaElite (Post 659620)
Are you ever coming back after you move to deadmonton is the question :lol::lol::lol:?

well I plan to come back.......hopefully dragging Laurie and 1000g of water with me.......but I wont be making the final push until spring sometime.......Im going up there for the weekish between boxing day and NYE......Im sure we will be hitting all the stores and can see if MA has some for ya:biggrin:....

lastlight 12-11-2011 04:58 AM

How high up is your sunset?

I have mine on the sandbed currently. It's encrusted it's plug really quickly but the orange has faded a bit and the green in the polyps is pretty muted too.

I need to mount this and a rainbow monti so any advice is appreciated =)

fishytime 12-11-2011 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 659626)
How high up is your sunset?

I have mine on the sandbed currently. It's encrusted it's plug really quickly but the orange has faded a bit and the green in the polyps is pretty muted too.

I need to mount this and a rainbow monti so any advice is appreciated =)

I will interject......and hijack a little:wink:.....I have mine at the tippy top......come to think of it, all my montis are up high and livin large

lastlight 12-11-2011 05:08 AM

So somewhere where both of mine aren't. That's good news since the sunset didn't seem happy down there.

THANKS LEVI =)

Zoaelite 12-11-2011 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishytime (Post 659628)
I will interject......and hijack a little:wink:.....I have mine at the tippy top......come to think of it, all my montis are up high and livin large

Their PAR piggies that's for sure!

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Zoaelite 12-11-2011 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 659633)
So somewhere where both of mine aren't. That's good news since the sunset didn't seem happy down there.

THANKS LEVI =)

Haha *in a Doug like voice* Your welcome mang!

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Zoaelite 12-17-2011 08:51 PM

Gahhh I have bad clownfish luck!

My adult female Onyx jumped a few weeks back, feeling bad for the little male that was all alone in the tank I went out and purchased a vibrant little snowflake for $120 (I have funny impulse buys)...

Sooooo, WHERE DID HE GO? They paired instantly and he was eating fine last night, I come over today and bang no clown fish!!@#! He's not in the overflow, refugium, sump or on the floor anywhere.

Now my first clownfish is all alone for a second time :neutral:!

Phoootoosss:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2605/mg5451.jpg

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4876/mg5523.jpg

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/9568/mg5434.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3132/mg5519k.jpg

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9408/mg5459.jpg

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/9862/mg5440.jpg

Grow blood shots grow!
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1607/mg5496nh.jpg

Flash is still growing fast! Makes me wonder how long until I need to upgrade again :\.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3397/mg5468.jpg

Zoaelite 12-17-2011 08:52 PM

and FTS:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8673/mg5416.jpg

My grow light messes with the white balance big time, hard to take natural photos when it's on but it makes for some cool abstracts.

reefermadness 12-18-2011 01:18 AM

Great pics Levi....

What lighting is that again?

SteveConn 12-18-2011 03:42 PM

Beautiful tank Levi.. kinda the direction I am taking with layout and types of coral

Zoaelite 12-19-2011 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefermadness (Post 662291)
Great pics Levi....

What lighting is that again?

The front is 3 radions and the back is a Coralife 6' 3 X150W with 4 96W PC's.

The coralife needs to go :razz:.

Zoaelite 12-19-2011 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveConn (Post 662451)
Beautiful tank Levi.. kinda the direction I am taking with layout and types of coral

Thanks Steve, zoas & sps make a really nice contrast :razz:!

Zoaelite 12-25-2011 09:02 PM

Out with the clunker Coralife in with more radions!
I think I'm in love :redface:.

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/329/mg5549.jpg

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/8329/mg5592.jpg

The hanging situation still needs some work as they are sitting all funky at the moment. Either we will build a frame for the 6 or get additional mounting kits for the 3 we ghetto hung.

Everything is so bright and shiny now :lol:!
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4940/mg5562.jpg

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8541/mg5590.jpg

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9708/mg5583.jpg

New wicked paly:
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5627/mg5576x.jpg


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