I dont know much about clams bessides the i really want one, however 20% water changes daily would be difficult to manage for a system that size...

Any chance you can divulge the secret with the clams? I want to get one and currently have a cleaner wrasse in a 34g cube, so now I'm afraid the wrasse will nip at a clam if I were to purchase one and they are pricey 60$...

OH SWEET JESUS HELP US. No disrespect.. I think.

Just get rid of the cleaner wrasse. They were only telling me to do water changes cuz I haven't done one in a long time

I think you and me are beyond help..........and maybe a few others to.

Not yet, not up to this day. are you saying that all cleaner wrasse attack clams?

Of course not, simply teasing hence my envious green face. However many in fact do eat clams, most actually develop the behavior later in life.

Hey my cleaner wrasse bites my arm whenever I'm in there doing stuff so anything is possible.

Here is what killed all seven of the clams that I had collected over 5 years. Have you ruled them out completely? I rarely ever saw them on my clams, the species that I had must have preferred other snails. I would however see them all over the glass, sand and rocks during the day and night. Once I went clam-less and basically snail-less for several months they all disappeared and I haven't seen any in the last year.

Begin doing regular water changes, thats obvious. My other recommendations are to give them a freshwater dip, then remove them to a quarantine tank and do daily water changes on it with water from your main system. Replace the water that you remove with newly mixed saltwater. Then just wait and see if they improve.

The astrea snail in this picture is actually still alive and well in my tank a year after the clam genocide.
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For nearly a week before each one died they would look like this.
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I only have him for 2 months so that remain to be seen. But I do feed him very well and often, like 3 to 4 times per day and each time he eats like a pig with a huge belly.

I suspect that if I was feeding my tank every other day, he would definitly try to find other food because he's a real piggy.

If he ever go after my clam I will be selling him.

I haven't seen any of those snails in my tank. And today both of my clams are fully open and seem to have recovered completely. And they're both reacting normally to shadows and vibration

Case Closed, Clams Open, Close thread......move on people .... nothing to see here............:twised:












Glad to here the clams are doing better MarkoD

I know it's been a long time, but it happened. I came home to day to see my croccea clam in pretty bad shape and watching the cleaner wrasse picking at it like crazy.

It was a model cityzen for 8 months, but today this all changed and he started to pick at my clams. I can see the croccea has quite a bit of bite marks and my beautiful maxima has 3 or 4 bit marks, all this done only today.

I cought the wrasse and put it in my nano and will give it for free to anyone who wants it and have a decent setup. Lesson learned, no more cleaner wrasse.

No the wrasse was not picking at parasites on the clams as they don't have any and it was easy to see what was going on as he was munching on my clam mantle with furious bites right in front of me.

I'm sure a water change will help

How long have you been waiting for that one?? :razz:

:lol:

+1

a water change fixes everything always....no matter what....always:twised:

Nobody has a test kit for everything that makes s up synthetic salt water,but all those ingredients probably have a purpose and will get depleted.Even small water changes regularly will have benefits,the schedule and how much is up to you,just do it.And thats all i have to say about that.

Combine that with the thread about fish getting sucked out through water change siphon and you've got a solution. :D

Do you test for contamination? Or just essential elements?
Water changes are not only for adding good things back into the water.
They are for removing bad things as well.
Almost nothing going into a fish tank is "pure".

Are we still having this discussion?

It was the cleaner wrasse nipping. Thread done

Pretty sure she does water changes and she's smart enough to realize that when you visually see a fish eating your clams it's obvious what the problem is and doesn't need to start a wild goose chase.

Too bad about your wrasse daniella3d , does that mean it's for sale? :mrgreen:

could need a water chaneg;P

Not to worry Marko, at least some of us get it

For the rest, well ... http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/actu...milies/oyh.gif

just trying to brainstorm with you guys here over this serious problem soooo how about removing a large say "portion" of water and then idk maybe say lets "replace" with water thats not as old, i know these are new ideas but maybe it can work??

That's just crazy talk!!

i thought it was too...see this is what happens when you dont research....silly me:redface:

Really :surprise:
Where's your head at Denny ?
Go get some more coffee and come back when the fog clears

im gonna play markos best bud in this scenario...just for the next hour...maybe less lol



if no one has a test kit for everything thats in synthetic salt how do you know whats in it is beneficial??

you say all these ingredients "prob" have a purpose, id like to see how you tested that??


how do you know they get depleted if you didnt test??


how can you be sure your just not adding more potential harmful or beneficial things??


since were not testing anything anymore how can i really be sure small water changes can help me??


since were on the subject of not being able to test for things how about your top off water, how do we know theres not thing in there we cant test for??



im pro water changes.....its just sometimes i like to start ship and find out if people are just shooting out common answers or things that are generally assumed...... or if theres actually any proof.


wouldnt the salt brand have something to do with it as well....lets say IO has a bad week whos to say they "forget" to add their special blend of herbs and spices.....who would know, since we cant test??



btw who tests anymore anyways lol


this should heat things up a bit what do ya think marko??:twised::twised:

i can go on about the unknown all day lol

greg

i just changed out some water , so im thinking clearly now , sorry about my crazy idea i get caught up in the moment sometimes and forget what this is really about......being bored :P

Not me, right Brad ? :smile:

testing discovers problems.....i like my tank problem free:P

the easy solution was to stop testing

Not I. I only do water change because I don't dose or have reactor. For my little tank it's 5 gal a week

Marko did u get your aptasia under control

S'OK
For a minute there I thought you were drinking the salt and pouring the coffee into the tank - that would explain the dementia

Hmm ... I could be on to something here. It's a global conspiracy by salt manufacturers to keep us addicted

yes nick he did , he found out a water change was the solution to all his problems, he took out all the aiptasia rocks , did a water change and yup...no more aiptasia.....those water changes are just fricken awesome stuff:)

heres a test take one of your saltwater fish and drop it in freshwater....wait a minute or 2 if the fish doesnt die you dont need salt in your tank....right??

this is just such a confusing hobby lol

Just FYI since my refugium light died I've been doing weekly 30 gallon water changes for the past month. Got a long hose and pump.

I shut off the valve to my fuge, drain the water, refill with new water and re open valve.

Since starting these water changes my huge elegance has closed up :(

And it solved the aptasia problem with a copperband:)

See ? WCs are bad :rolleyes:

All kidding aside Marko, your elegance will come around, it's just not used to the lower nutrients/higher params

elegance hate changes of anykind....consider yourself lucky it didnt catch ECS , elegance was once the hardiest and most common lps around....now its very hard to find a healthy one that doesnt wipe away from ECS.


ECS can kill an elegnace in days or months.


ECS= elegance coral syndrome

not necessarily, elegance do not heal well or take changes well, their recovery is usually long.