Another point to add, as Steve said, prevention is the best defense! At the same time, when you are wholesaleing marine life and get in thousands of fish per year, you can see some strange diseases, parisites, and other infections, the first week of a new livestock shipment is like running a hospital emergency room, making sure everyone is ok...

Christy has the qualifications to speak about this subject given her profession I must say. :rolleyes:

And I fully agree with her - presenting this kind of information to a bunch of newbies who might actually try it is frightening to say the least.

In light of the post topic just let me say - DO NOT go out and buy a Moorish Idol thinking that a force feeding and a good scrub is going to change the historical difficulty in keeping this fish.

And that's my opinion. :mrgreen:

Your point is valid, and I would say, given "my" profession, I think I have the qualifications to address the subject... This list is not just full of newbies, it has alot of members that are ready to start emergency tratement of sick fish, and for the newbies, what do you have to loose if a fish is very ill and soon to croak without intervention, to me its like seeing a person spraying blood out of a laceration, are you going to say Im not a doctor I cant do anything, or could you try your best and try to save that person??? Siting infront of your tank and watching your sick fish dies has far too long been a pastime of hobbiests, why not do something risky and try to save it? Its worth the risk to me, cuz watching a sick fish flutter and die just aint fun. If you screw up, it dies, big deal, practise makes perfect and if you didnt do anything it would have died anyway... (its like operating on a not quite dead cadaver..lol)Im not saying do something drastic at the first sign of a problem, but when you have tried all the usuall methods of healing and the fish is about to croak, what does anyone, newbies included have to lose??? And I agree with you that not everyone should go and buy a morish idol, but alot of people who know what their doing can keep them if they went to a little effort....

Actually I think its the fact that you're doing all of this without any kind of sedation that bothers me. And the going to the hospital comment. When they are cutting things out and scrubbing, they just go ahead and don't stop when you are screaming. Oh thats right, fish can't do that. Theres a reason the SPCA was created. If thats the kind of hospital emergency room you are running, I suggest you talk to the local vet about getting some anaesthetic, I highly doubt you'd be getting any return customers if these animals could talk.


Bah, why do I even bother :rolleyes:

Haha, you guys are goofs. Hmm, maybe I should check for those toothbrushes on ebay :razz:

tools of the trade :mrgreen:

I dont do it without sedation,(I use Tricaine-s)but most hobbiests dont have a fish sedditive in their medicine cabnient.... and a fish going owy,owy,owy, is alot better than their fish going in the toilet...When you go to the hospital they do what needs to be done to save your life, i do the same for my fish... when your squirting blood and they apply pressure and you say it hurts, they dont let go... Why dont you try asking questions instead of making ignorant comments directed towards me.... :rolleyes:

Well when you're making posts about how to do this and that, maybe you should give us all the info, especially when doing something like this. Thank you for clarifying that you do sedate the fish. Please accept my apologies for jumping to conclusions. And thanks for calling me ignorant, that was really nice of you. I guess my biology degree was all for naught. :rolleyes:

Moderator please close this thread. :rolleyes:

I gave any info a hobbiests would need, they dont "need" a sedative...

Ignorant,
1.Lacking education or knowledge.
2.Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge
3.Unaware or uninformed

You made an ignorant comment towards me, you could have asked how i did it, you were uninformed about what I do and made comments on it