Got destroyed by a tank mate. Assuming it was one of the tangs. He died the next day. Happened last week.

Yeah I'll keep an eye out on the foxface.

Thanks for giving actual solutions that could help instead of jumping to "water change fixes everything"

Keeping in mind the death of the moorish idol could it also be possible that the idol was eating a nuisance critter that is no longer being controlled in the tank? I know they thrive primarily on sponges and such, but in the wild they are also well known for eating benthic invertibrates which is a rather large spectrum of invertebrates including some which live in home aquaria. (Just a thought)

Keep in mind that the clam recovery and long term survival is still reliant on water quality, clams do in fact need strontium and iodine among other elements. Best way to insure a good balance of such elements is through water changes. The previous advice was still sound, I wouldn't omit it.

I agree 100% with the above statement.

I would also politely add that I would lose the 'attitude' Marco if you wish to seek further assistance from experienced members of this forum.

And, please do not replace the Moorish Idol. Thanks

+1 on both accounts.

Out of curriosity have you ever done a water change on your system? I agree we all have our methods and what works for some might not work for others but don't bash it until you atleast try it.

I'm sure others will chime in on the fact that their tanks look the best the day after a good water change/ blow off is done, I know mine sure does.

I'd like to politely add that I'm gonna do whatever I like with my money. If I want to buy 20 moorish idols That's my business. And I'd like to politely ask you to not reply to my threads. I dont need your "experience". Thanks

Last water change I did was 60 gallons and everything went crazy. Yellow tang lost its mind and started attacking other fish. Which is why I got rid of it

So you can change 60 gallons but not 50 :lol:

Perhaps you're not doing it right...

Not daily for a week

I remove everything from the sump, vaccuum all detritus and empty all the water. The replace it, all the temp to match and turn on the return pump.

I also vaccuum the sump every 2 weeks, but without a waterchange

I may not be as knowledgeable as some of the Canreefers on here, but I have a bit of experience with clams.

Clams close up if there is something that is bothering them. I am going to guess it is fish related, the strawberry basket cage is a good suggestion.

Having read your post about 0 Nitrates, that's a great thing for SPS, but not for clams. Clams consume Nitrates, so having a little is beneficial to them. I've had up to 11 clams at one point, yes I got hooked on them. I am down to 5 now, there is a delicate balance to keep clams and SPS.

SPS like "CLEAN" water, while clams like "DIRTY" water. I have found that to keep both SPS and clams, you have to keep the water parameters almost perfect for the SPS while dosing Phyto and or Sponge Power to feed the clams. I've got 2 Crocea's that I've had for about a year now, got them when they were about 3" and now they're about 5"

Another thing could also be your CUC, I lost a few of my clams due to them picking at some algae that was growing on the shells. It iritates the clams when hermits or even your cleaner wrasse is picking at it's shell.

I would suggest that you do 10% water changes weekly and see if it makes a difference also. Clams like everything else we keep in our tanks prefer stability, so make small changes gradually.

Your one of those people who have a dog and don't clean up. The yard aren't you??
Every person in this thread has tried to help you - well except me because it's obviously a waste of time but maybe just maybe take the advice of the majority of reefers here? Especially since many of them have much nicer tank(s) than you or me?
Don't ask for advice if you don't want it
And clean your god damn pets home

Could you please elabortate on "Crazy", if the water you are putting in is the same salinity Ca, Alk, Mg and temp you shouldn't run into any problems.

How are you drawing the connection between doing a water change and having aggression increase in your tank? I don't see a mechanism between the two, perhaps you can explain that to me.

It's your right to add 20 Morish idols to your tank if you want, you proved your fish wouldn't tolerate 1 so go ahead and lose 2 grand on being ignorant. The suggestions given here are for your tanks well being, take them as you want but don't flame others for anwsering your questions.

Thank you, you win for having the most helpful post.

Don't have a dog. And you're implying that my tank is dirty, which it's not.

My example was an exaggeration. I don't like being told what to do. I have the ability to research and draw my own ideas. And if someone doesn't agree I don't care.
I don't know what the connection is but after a wc the tang got territorial and aggressive.

Oh, FFS, it's pinched mantle. Give it a FW dip every other day for a week, it'll be fine. And change some water for the poor fish.

pinched mantle on both?

im sorry but i dont believe in coincidences.

but im gonna research it some more

either way, cleaner wrasse is out. literally swam right into the trap 5 seconds after putting it in, didnt even have a chance to put food in it yet

Yes, both. I don't believe people are still posting here, but look!!

oh, and freshwater is free, so no cost to try it. Take the time you don't use for water changes and dip the clams...

i will, just one question, whats the best way to raise the PH of ro/di water?

Don't. Just match temp, drop them in for 5 or 10. They close up and contain themselves

and don't damage the foot.

No coincidence here, pinched mantle is though to be brought on by a protozoan similar to Perkinsus olseni .

Cleaner wrasses bites @ Clam----> Clam becomes stressed---> Immune system becomes compromised---> Protozoan now has the chance to grow----> Both clams get pinched mantle---> Marko does a fresh water dip---> Problem solved---> Marko is free to troll other posts on Canreef.

:razz:.

bingo

20 min after taking out the cleaner wrasse the clams have started to open up more.

should i give it a couple to see if they recover or should i just do the dip anyway, right now?

yesterday
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/s...9at43618PM.png

today
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/s...1at43022PM.png

couple weeks ago
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/s...9at45754PM.png

And since you don't do water changes, you've created quite a little breeding factory/protozoan soup. Just one or both may have been infected originally but once one got going, the second was surely to get infected.

Don't be fooled by the clam looking better after the first dip, you'll likely have to do several FW dips over the coming weeks.

should i start now. or give it an hour to see how it responds further?

i also just dosed marine snow to see if it would stimulate them further

huh?? That's not going to do anything. Dip them, it does no harm and does lots of good if we're right.

doesnt do harm? i just read that it could stress the clam further if it doesnt have pinched mantle.

yes i've also read that in the wild clams can be exposed to rain at low tide for hours and they survive.

im just waiting for the temp of the freshwater to match, and ill try it out with one of them

I've dipped plenty of clams and they all did fine. Leaving a parasite on them will certainly cause more stress. At this point, your clams look like they're going to die. You've got lots of ideas from everyone here, so pick one and do it.

Another thing you can try:

Cut the top off a 2l clear soda bottle and drill a bunch of small holes in it so water can flow but fish cant get to the clam. Place it over the clam and see what happens.

It may help you determine if indeed it's a nipping problem that you have.

i think i've solved the problem. both clams have fully opened and neither of them is gaping.

My cleaner wrasse does not touch my clam.

I would guess that so long without a water change, their could be heavy metal build up in the water wich is killing the clam.

YOu should have your water analysed for heavy metal.

clams are fine. they're fully open and no signs or degeneration

Not yet :mrgreen:

So what was the cause? Was it the dip that helped?

I didn't dip it. I took out the cleaner wrasse and my clams are now fully open. Cant tell anything was wrong

Quick QUICK CLOSE THE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:mrgreen::mrgreen::surprise: thanks I needed that!!!!