Hopefully it works, I used Cupramine by seachem. To bad your not closer as I still have an almost full bottle I could of gave you. It's buffered active copper so as far as I'm aware it's supposed to be not as hard on the fish as other copper treatments. The bottle says "Less toxic, superior to, and safer then copper chlorides, sulfates, citrates and chelates"

Good to know.

How's it going today Brad?

when I left this morning, I had just turned the lights on. The queen now has some white spots, which still, to me, look like ich.
The tank was a bit cloudy, so I think a water change is in order when I get home. I'll have a better idea then on what the day looks like :)

Sorry to hear about your troubles, Brad. I went through a similar battle a few years back. It was only a 33g tank, but I lost 4 out of 6 fish, as I didn't know what it was until they started dropping.


Kelly

Thanks Kelly. The problem with this stuff is I still am not entirely sure what it is. Velvet is typically much smaller than ich, and shouldn't be visible as dots, but I have dots. Ich doesn't typically kill in three days and turn the fish stringy. Although I'm not an expert on ich, I've rarely had it, and it's always gone away on it's own.
So I'm treating for something I haven't identified. Hopefully I'm doing the right thing, and hopefully an unfiltered treatment tank doesn't cause more stress and kill them with the cure.

why not make a small(ish) wasp trap out of a 500ml pop bottle. Cut the top off and invert it into the bottom and zap strap it together. bait and wait. you could cut the bottom down to a smaller size if you don't have much room.

Make sure to put a call out if you need more equipment or rock or ...... so we can help if we can. Gotta work together when something like this happens.

Is it possible that its both ick and velvet, might be the velvet stressing the fish and making ick appear?

I think I'm suffering something similar in my tank, I haven't purchased a new fish in about a year though. The last thing I added was a few SPS colonies from J&L on boxing day, and prior to that I haven't had anything new in there since about October. I lost my favourite fish so far and 2 others are showing similar signs to what you're describing. Why couldn't it be the ugly fish I don't care about? :(

Yes, I suspect that's possible, and even likely.

If it's velvet, it's going to be all the fish, pretty or ugly. Hopefully I've caught mine in time, now I just need to keep them alive in the treatment tank.

It's annoying as I don't really have anything I can pinpoint as a carrier or cause. I don't live in the same house as where my tank is located so I won't be able to monitor daily nor have a quarantine large enough for all my fish. I was going to attempt Metronidazole bound to the fish food but we'll see how that goes. All I can say is that I know what you're going through right now.

could it be brooklynella? it's a fast killer too, but formaline or paraguard cure it in few days.

Take a look on google image for brooklynella and see if it match.

this is a clownfish with brook:

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume...s/brook_01.jpg


acriflavine is said to cure brook in about 2 weeks. So depending what it is, your med might just work.

I looked at this and yes, it almost looks the same. I figured though, that mostly it was a clownfish thing, and my clown is one of the happier fish today :)
But yes, it looks more like that than it does pics of velvet I've seen.

Brad, hang in there... If u need anything don't hesitate to ask . Will certainly help out. Have a spare 90 gallon, heaters and a few powerheads. If it is brooklynella cure it quickly... Brook wiped out all but my damsels five yrs ago. I'm still in shock after hearing you talking about it on Sunday. Your tank is a true piece of living art...

Thanks Wayne, I think I've got it covered. The big task is keeping water quality in the treatment tank. If you've got a mature canister filter jusy lying around.....:razz:

Sorry, Brad. I don't have one.:sad:

Ya, that's the hard to find part. Shelley lent me an aquaclear that I added some rock rubble, and I added another 5 pounds of LR, but it's not enough. making 50g right now and staying up late for a water change. Which sucks, since I have to get up at 5am!! :razz:

I've got one more of those big aqua clears if you need it just ask.

Shelley, this one is big enough, I'm just short on bacteria :) I've got a bunch of rubble under one of the foam blocks, but the water is a bit cloudy tonight and the fish are breathing a bit fast for my liking. I added some prime to the tank, so that should help with the NH3 a bit. I hope. New water in progress, although I should probably let it mix until morning.

What about if you filled an old nylon( I know you have a few!) with live sand, either from E's tank or I could scoop you some and filled the filter up with that?

That may work. I took all the rock from her sump already :)

Wonder how long it would take to seed a new canister filter? You may want to get one and start it in E's tank or bring one over here and I can set it up and stir my sump up really well.. Lots of good gunk hiding in there. I'm thinking your going to be needing something for a month or 2 at least to leave your display fallow.

I think it takes about 3 weeks. I'll scoop some sand, and I bought a bucket of IO and prime, so I can do lots of water changes for a couple of weeks

I added a bunch of bubbliers to my qt tank, it seemed to help, also FW dips really helped the fish breathe better. Fairly certain I would of lost my king angel if I hadn't done a FW dip on him.

Laurie, the fish look ok, I think it's more the O2 levels are a bit low. I'll do a 80% water change today and see how they look. Not sure it's velvet still, and so far the 2 remaining fish in the display look fine. No idea how I'm going to catch them :(

Damn Brad... this really sux.
Hope you can keep this under control now.

Mad props to Christy for giving you a hand...

if anyone has chaeto, I think that would help.
I am sure that there would be bacteria hanging out on that.
I have used that a few times to help start a tank.
sorry to hear of your problems.
good luck
Neal

Good idea Neal. I've got a bunch in another tank. I'll add that today.

Not sure what you are looking for, but I've got some rock that I took out of my tank because it was all covered with hydroids. It is cooking in a bucket and there is LOTS of crap on these!

I could trade you for some other rock as I guess the treatment tank is going to nuke the rock from ever being used in a tank again due to the copper - correct?

Not using copper, but I'm not sure that what I'm using won't nuke the rock also. I don't have any spare to trade, but thanks. I can probably get a whack of rubble at Safari, he's got tons in the sumps.

Just read your thread..

I'm so sorry you have to deal with this. :sad: Hope everything works out okay for you!

It's a brutal thing to go through. It hit me just over a year ago, lost 3 fish out of the 8 in my tank. Makes me scared to add any new fish now since I don't have a quarantine tank. Hope you and your fish pull through.

Hope your remaining livestock pull through my friend.:hurt:

Just did a big water change at lunch, and all the fish seem fine. Even the 2 still in the display are fine. Not sure what's going on.

Hopefully your quick actions with getting them out and onto meds have stopped whatever was potentially going to happen? Who knows :noidea:

Good to hear.

I sadly lost one more fish, and have started my medication attempt on the remaining ones. The biggest problem is that none of them really have similar symptoms, all the other animals in the tank are fine though.

Lost my snowflake blenny who didn't have any visible symptoms and lost my lemonpeel angel which had an abrasion on one side of its body. Foxface has dots but is otherwise acting normal and one domino damsel has lost most of its colour but is behaving mostly normal. The rest seem to be fine but it doesn't look like anything that would have been prevented by quarantine or other means.

Ya, but now I'm not sure what to treat for, how long to leave the tank empty, etc. The fish really really want to go home!!

I'm in the same position. Even if I had quarantined, I would have put the fish in the main tank after a month. He didn't get sick until 5 or 6 weeks, so this still would have happened.

Exactly! And I'm sure the fish was at PR for a week or more being watched.. O add that to the time frame..

I don't know, this really freaks me out, I've never quarentined and have lost a fish here and ther and just chalked it up to the way it is.

I find it so odd that the two fish left in the tank are ok..