Ouch, sorry to hear. Hope all works out for you.

Oh dear.. sorry to hear that Brad. Having gone through velvet myself, I feel for ya. As others have said, time is not on your side unfortunately.

Christy just showed up, so we're draining now. BRB.

Done. Missed 2 fish.

Glad you got some help Brad, kudos to Christy. Hope treatment goes well, keep us up to date.


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Weird looking at a tank with no fish! The corals are starting to forgive me. Fish are settled in with meds, Borderjumper gave me a large aquaclear to use, so I've added a bunch of LR rubble in there. We'll see how the fish do.

whoa! if you need any extra equipment (tank) i have a biocube sitting empty, and a few rubber maids on hand. extra heater, you name it i can probably help you with it i'll send you a pm with my number.

Brad i just read your thread so sorry man

Brad I feel your pain. I am also going through velvet & cloudy eye in my tank. I added 2 fish that I bought on boxing day (haven't seen either of them since) and within a few days my fish started getting sick and in the past month I have lost at least 50 fish and counting.
My death list off the top of my head so far:
clowns x4
firefish
pencil wrasse
yellow coris wrasse
leopard wrasse x 2
6 line wrasse x 2
chromis x 12
asfer angel
majestic angel
powder blue tang
chevron tang
regal tang
royal gramma x 2
mandarins x 2
pipefish
damsel
bicolor blenny
naso tang
sailfin tang
pyramid butterflies x 2
+ a bunch more I can't think of right now. I had over 80 fish in my system and now I don't.
:twised:

Greg, that's really crappy to hear! I've only lost 2 and I hope that's it! I've got mine in a treatment tank with some kind of med my LFS guy recommended. Are you able to get fish out at all??

Thanks Jon. Japarto at Safari loaned me about 160g worth of barrels, which made the task much easier. We were able to drain the tank in about 7 minutes, catch most of the fish, extract the hippo from the rock work, and only lost a few corals to crashes (don't have 3 pound "frags" mounted on magnets!).
Setting up the fish trap now to see if I can get the remaining mandarin and orange spot goby.

This is horrible! I hope your fish pull through!! Wow, I can't imagine how you must be feeling! Hang in there!

yeah and it is velvet, ich and brook safe as well.

Very sad to hear that. Best option and only option that is half decent is to catch all the fish and treat fast. Problem is..what is it? if it is velvet then Cupramine is the way to go, if it is brook then formaline is the way to go. I think Paraguard also work as I have seen some clownfish being successfully curer from brook with Paraguard. Not sure how effective Paraguard is for velvet.

Greg, this is truly tragic! Your fish were awesome, what a loss as I know you've had some of them a long time.

Paraguard is like formalin, it can burn off some velvet on the skin but will not cure it. Becareful with paraguard though, it can be overdose without knowing and it cannot be tested. Usually by the time you see velvet on the fish's body, it's already terminal stage and very hard to cure (even with cupramine).

I have been going pretty generous with Paraguard and never had a problem with it. Once I dosed one full cap over by mistake in a 20 gallons (3 caps instead of 2) without any bad effect. Paraguard totaly decompose in the water after 24 hours unlike copper or cupramine which remain active and in the water forever.

I never had to treat velvet but I am treating 2 clownfish now with Paraguard for Brooklynella. They have been in quarantine for a month with 3 weeks of Paraguard and I will keep the treatment another week or so. The fish stopped scratching after a few days in Paraguard. I started treatment as soon as I saw the clownfish scratching on everything. Glad they were in quarantine so treatment was quick and easy.

Now that I read you guys having parasites show up after months..I will keep the clown in quarantine in observation at least another 4 weeks after treatment. I really don't want this stuff in my main tank so if it takes 4 months so be it.

sorry to read about this brad.
glad you got some help dealing with this over there.
crap like this is always easier to get through with helping hands.
hope things work out!

Yikes, this is a sad thing to read. Good luck with everything..

Wow Greg that is brutal. Velvet scares the living beejezus out of me!

Brad have you seen the goby or mandarin since I left? Hows everyone doing in QT? What was the name of the drug you got? I didn't see anything like it at BlueWorld when I was there, thought I'd pick some up in case my fish came in this week.

Ya, both of them are having a great ol time, whole tank to themselves. Just rigging the trap now.
I'm using something called uni marin. Not sure what's in it.

Thanks again, sure appreciate the help!

Sorry to hear this happens. I hope everyone will recover well.

Hey anytime, sorry for railroading you into it before the swap. When you arrived with all those water barrels I got a little gung ho :razz:

Aquarium Munster UniMarin 30 ml

Unimarin is a universal treatment against the numerous infections of marine ornamental fish like protozoa (e. g. Cryptobia, Cryptocarion), bacteria (e. g. Flexibacter) and fungus (e. g. Saprolegnia). Particularly where a specific diagnosis is not certain, unimarin has been proven to be reliably effective against most infections exhibiting the following symptoms: Whitish to yellowish mucous-like coatings, cotton-wool like tufts, sores, wounds, inflammations, blood spots, skin and scale loss, ruffled scales, fin rot, mucous menmrane discoloration, white mouth, careening movements, protruding eyes (exophthalmus), swollen abdomen.

Method of advimistration:

for each 100/ of aquarium water administer

Day 1: 30 drops of Uni Marin

Day 2: 15 drops of Uni Marin

Day 3: 30 drops of Uni Marin

Caution: Invertebrated do not tolerate Uni Marin. Corals and anemones must be excluded fro treatment.



Wonder what's in it?

ah ok, they had something by the same brand at BW called coral marin or coral pro marin or something. Guess they were out of the other stuff. I'll have to have a look for it here. Thanks for posting that Shelley :)

guessing at least malachite green, since the water is green :)

I know it's too soon, but do they seem stable? It still blows me out you lost those two so fast! Especially since they were both eating.. I've always figured if they are eating they will be ok:sad:

So far they seem fine, chomping away at nori, eating pellets. The hippo is still a bit ****ed at getting dragged out with tongs, and still has some spots on her, but the rest seem fine.
I can't fit the trap I have in the tank so now need to come up with a new plan for the 2 remaining fish....anyone got a really small fish trap?? :)

FYI the only thing that treats velvet is a copper treatment or formalin. Not sure what uni marin is, but if it doesn't have copper or formalin in it, it's doubtful it will work.

Like I said I have an ugly homemade one, but I think the gaps between the plexy (made it out of scraps) are too big for the two fish you need to catch. I will text you a picture and let you decide

That quinine stuff works as well. The problem with copper is that it harms fish kidneys, so not really something I want to use. My LFS guy tells me this stuff works, so I'm giving it a shot.


ETA: Sorry, the stuff is Chloroquine diphosphate that I'm referring to

I wonder if any of the stores have a "pest trap" its basically a smaller version of the fish trap. Wish I had thought to bring mine down today :neutral:

malachite green works the same way as formalin only its way more carcinogenic. I'm surprised you can even get it still, they won't let us use it on our experimental fish at work, its great for ectoparasites and skin infections.

Hey Brad,

Sorry to hear about the loss of your fish buddies. Hope the survivors pull through. You may want to try a freshwater bath as it will clear them of any parasites and make their time in the QT shorter. I would also recommend a UV on the tank to help clear any free swimming MV.

Copper is poisonous. You just kill the parasites faster than the fish as they are smaller. :)

If you are going to let the tank be fallow for 6 weeks then I would recommend adding Ammonium Chloride to keep the bio filter going. Otherwise you will get an ammonia spike when you put the fish back in and the acros will hate that.

Cheers,
Tim

How about taking one of those plastic coral cups with the lid on.. Cut a round hole half way up for the fish to find its way in.. Hopefully they forget how to get out.. Kinda like a wasp trap?


Or one of those clear round sand cleaner tubes.. Plug one end and fill it with mysis and be ready to scoop?

I caught a pesky wrass once by putting a 6" tall piece of PVC Vertically in my tank.. He couldn't stand it and went in to investigate :)

Where can you buy Chloroquine diphosphate? (not quinine sulfate)

Ya, I'll have to figure something out, I only have about 4 inches of room to put anything in the tank. :)

no idea, I just read that this stuff works as well...

Tim, so you think the remaining critters(shrimp, crabs, etc) would be enough?

I hope that med will work.

Types and quantities of active substances:1 ml of unimarin contains:
4.00 mg of ethacridine lactate
2.75 mg of tetramethylthionine chloride
2.00 mg of acriflavin chloride
0.26 mg of 4-(4'-dimethylaminophenylaza-benzol-1-sulfonic acid) sodium salt

Does anyone know if acriflavin is effective against velvet?

First one is an antiseptic, Second is simply methylen blue, third is a desinfectant and not sure what is the last one.

I thought only copper worked for velvet?

I've got my info from here

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-07/sp/feature/

which claims that acriflavin does potentially work, although maybe not as effective as copper...

I might try to find some Marex though....