In my view we have a think veneer of civilization, you do not have to dig very deep to find barbaric behaviour.

The best way to avoid a repeat of this is to aggressively go after the scum with video evidence, prosecution, and civil suits for damages. Post rewards for people to I.D. the filth that did this. Publicize the scumbags names and photos after they are found guilty.

I couldn't agree more.

your right.....there must be a band of traveling rioters that go from city to city, to sporting events looking to incite a riot.....their work is well documented http://www.highestfive.com/fitness/t...-hockey-riots/ .......funny how they missed Calgary in 2004 when they had a whole month of every other day partying on the streets by 50,000 people that they could have taken advantage of.......who are you kidding, besides yourself?.....I know its just a small percentage of fans that were involved in the crap, but that fact remains that certain cities have had a history for this kind of BS and it irritates me when it happens again......it gives a black eye to the sport of hockey and to Canada as whole......

Not so much a band of travelling rioters, but from out in the valley there's many that went downtown just to cause a ruccus. It's a shame that a bunch of drunken high-school/college kids caused this much drama.

waste of time and effort charging the rioters, just sue them for damages

By the way I want to say way to go facebook. Guy lighting the police car on fire. His name is Nathan Kotylak, and he was ratted out by his ex girlfriend when she saw the picture and arrested already.

Awesome!

I saw that too, stupid kid had a scholarship to U of C and a shot at the olympic water polo team. What a dumb way to flush all that down the drain. That's providing it was actually him and not just someone who looked like him.

I was listinging to some show on sports talk radio last night. Apparently this riot would have happened win or lose. Some organized group, the same ones who protested the Olympics were said to be responsible. They dressed in Canuk jerseys and some were seen carrying backpacks full of molotov cocktails, goggles and masks. These douches started it and all the drunks with no common sense joined in. Thanks to all the hi-tech cameras out there that everyone seems to own, the Vancouver Province newspaper is going to be publishing photos of everyone involved in the criminal activity. That, along with all the morons who went on facebook and bragged about it, will eventually bring these *ssholes down.

Just back in Saskatoon from an eventful trip to Vancouver. I was walking out of arena just as some guy fell over the side of a walkway for about a 30 ft drop. It sounded like 2cars colliding when he hit the ground. I then had to walk through the war zone to get to my hotel. What a scary nightmare that was. After passing the zone around me heading away from disaster were lots of small groups of middle aged people trying to get away from the chaos, yet we were continuosly meeting small groups of young loud people heading into the fray. They were loud and drunk. The van loads of riot police heading in and the mess all around me made methink I was in the middle east somewhere and not a Canadian city???

Hard to believe these days how utterly dumb these folks are thinking they won't be identified for their deeds, with all the cameras & internet publicity. As far as the Middle East, you may be better off there, since those riots are people fighting for what we already have, freedom. It's been a long time since we gained that freedom or defended it in a major conflict (although some of our young folks are risking their lives in Afghanistan for Afghanistan). There's a sense of entitlement, both in our government and clearly in the minds of those that turn sporting events into disasters.

It's not just hockey, many professional sports in other democratic countries (soccer hooliganism) spawn this kind of behaviour. One reason I've become somewhat disenchanted with the whole pro sports culture. Not the fault of the teams or organizations but then again, we seem to feed off the behaviour of certain overpaid athletes (and politicians for that matter Weinergate?) who can't stay out of trouble and the media which brings the latest/greatest scandal into our lives. Then there are the hockey Moms & Dads that give coaches a hard time & put too much pressure on their youngsters to perform to their expectations.

I've actually begun watching more women's sporting events, hockey & soccer. Less testosterone and more intelligence & tactics to how they play the game. Looking forward to the FIFA Women's World Cup this summer. And for the most part, the ladies are softer and smell nice.

Sounds like fun, did you enjoy the game at least?

It's not moot.
it's exactly why you had people making the mistake of siding with the rioters rather than with their city.

It not an excuse, a reason for is not always an excuse.
just a logical explanation for an illogical act.

This will be one the guys who is not a canucks fan and came to this event with the sole purpose of rioting.

You dont bring accellerants and what is probably a backpack of anarchists tools to a hockey game without an alterior motive.

These guys, like the black bloc, wore canucks jerseys to be able to blend into the crowd anonymously after inciting violence.

off hand, how many on this board would even actually know how to set a car on fire in minutes?

So how did he make out with the theory of blending into the crowd anonymously? Check posts #46 & 47 to see that he's tentatively been identified as a young individual with seemingly a lot to lose, scholarship to university, sports possibilities..... I fear for our future society, a few more of these potential leaders running the show.....

Agreed. The worst part for this poor guy is that there is a laundry list of charges that can and will most likely be brough down on him. I would imagin that the police are are going to make examples of all these people they catch. Due to the fact that 10,000 rioters are going to get off but the 100 or more that they do catch are going to get the full brunt of the law in a effort to ensure that this type of thing does not happen again.

These people should be charged with treason, IMO that's about right. Max sentence in Canada is life in prison.

I watched more of the video's last night and looked and a bunch of the photo's on facebook..... it was a mob of everyone.

There are a few video's of people who tried to stop this who only got beat up, curb stomped is probably a better term for how badly they were beaten. There is one photo of an elderly man trying to stop a group of people and a kid is waving a skateboard at him.


The more I look into this the worse it looks

But the best quote I have seen "Who's the more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him"

Should be but wont. Its nice to dream.

I would think arson, distruction of public/police property, obstruction of justice etc. That would be a few years in jail for him.

If that car was on fire/exploded I would like to see, murder, attempted murder conspirisy to committ murder. What if it blew up and hurt/killed one of those 100+ people standing around behind it? Manslaughter perhaps....

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well we can always chain and weigh down the identified rioters ,dump them in the straight and make a reef out of them-got to think positive

The whole thing is really quite sad.

In terms of loyalties, one might point out that there are more Canadian players on the Bruins then there are on the Canuks. There's hardly any disloyalty in being a Boston fan.

As for the guy lighting the car on fire, I expect he is in some real trouble. He will go to federal prison and perhaps for a long time.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpr.../06/riot24.jpg

It's probably not the same car (although it might be), but the intent is clearly the same.

It might also be pointed out that the instigators all wore masks. Most of the pictures are of Canucks fans, who were not wearing masks, and who were at the hockey game. Regardless of who started the riot, there is no question that fans at the game joined in.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06...ncouvers-loss/

In defending something like this, a person is really no better than those who actually participated.

I should think so, as well I think that the people that burned the cop cars should be paying for replacements, they have got to be $70-$80k+

The chief of police said 15 cars burned and 2 of which were police cars. One culprit was the formentioned boy in post 49 and 50, the other is a young blond girl who has also already been identified and arrested. Charges pending based on evidence. Evidence is a strange thing in courts these days. I know one police officer that has over 40 DUI charges in the last 3 years in Calgary, he has had over 30 thrown out on top of that. He says on a couple of cases its been thrown out due to lack of evidence even though it was evident that they were drunk. So know he makes it sure on his report he has at least 7 confirming peices of evidence and at least 3 witnesses to confirm it. So somthing like this unless someone has a video that shows suspect post #49 actually successfully lighting the car on fire, and shows that no one else also was lighting the car on fire, the charges will be dropped, but he will be nailed with several other smaller charges. They will get him with somthing but to actually charge him with destrction of 50K will be tough.

Also, Gobytron -- Drop it dude. This is coming from a Senators fan who finished 5 worst in the league and sold off most of its talent to the highest bidder. I was cheering for Boston for what I believe to be the right reasons: 1. Mark Recchi after 22 years in the league deserves to walk out of his career with one final cup. 2. Tyler Seguin should text Taylor Hall and say I guess getting drafted Second isnt so bad. 3. Tim Thomas had a amazing year and is the most exciting goal tender to watch.

There are reasons for not cheering for Vancouver too, but thats because of the way they played hockey which was most seen in the Chicago series. If you want a list ill PM it to you.

But ill say this, it was a awesome Stanley cup series from the start and both teams played well, Boston just had more in game 7 when they needed it.

All the happened it Vancouver was a mob mentality, a few empower the masses to do somthing they wouldnt normally do. Of the 100,000 fans on the street and the 14,000 in rogers arena, 100 wanted it, 2000 or so followed it, and the only sad part about those numbers are over 100,000 people just walked away and didnt try to stop it. The awesome part that came out of it, was the 1000's that assembled downtown to help the clean up.

The efforts from the citizens cleaning up and helping out has been phenomenal. All the plywood used to replace the windows (of which there are actually 100+) have been completely covered now with sharpie'd and painted messages of support/shame/thanks and just plain emotion about the whole event. A police cruiser that was parked overnight on Granville was completely covered with post-it messages of thanks and support, too. This kind of response is from the true proud and responsible people of Vancouver. The streets were cleaned up by thousands of people who volunteered and took time off just to help clean up, they're cleaner now than they were to begin with.

now that was just plain uncalled for concidering taylor hall had 44 regular season points and seguin only had 22.

Steve

:D Ok I removed the personal crap & the personal political views. Can we please discuss it without that.

Thanks

Haha, Its more a joke than anything. But ive always liked Seguins play better than Hall.

Seguin had fewer shots due to being on the 3rd line with limited play. I believe it was almost 50 shots less. TOI is a tough stat to find from the NHL. But Seguins real play was noted in accounting for almost %70 of his teams scoring in the OHL.

I cant argue that both are talented, far more talented being they will make a few million next season off of playing hockey while still being under 20, and ill still be turning wrenchs at 26 haha.. ya life.

I am oposite, when people were speculating oilers might take seguin, I was saying "I sure hope not" as seguin was more specilized that hall IMO, and the oilers didn't need another high asisting winger, they needed a in your face power forward who scores, which Hall was more suited for. as for TOI, Halls was an average of over 18min a game so ya he was on the ice a lot, and I don't think Seguin could average thoes kind of numbers yet.

this year (7 days and counting to be exact :mrgreen:) I am going against the mock draft and hoping they pick Adam Larson, and not ryan nugent-hopkins or what ever it is. they don't need another forward at all anymore. they have more firepower potential than any team in the NHL at this point, for there second pick I am hoping for another one of the bigger d's but at 19 I don't think there will be any left. so if not a second promising D then maybe look at one of the gibsons. very promising goalies. at any rate they need to do something with goalies.. fire Habby, bring up Gerber or get a younger deicent guy till dubnick has had another year or two to be ready.

Steve

I still think you will trade away Draft Pick #1 for something like the senators did last year in aquiring David Rundblad (however you spell it) but drafting d-men is so time consuming, where like we did, we took a almost ready d-man and traded the 1st away for him to a team that needed first round forwards. To our winning pick, Mr. Rundblad is the Swede elite league d-man player of the year and 5th on the top point getters for the whole league. So thats kinda what I hope they might do, and the tsn crew seems to think thats what they might do too. With that trade we will have Karlsson and Rundblad this year along with our already developed D-core Phillips, Gonchar, Kuba and Carkner.

Your right, Hall is more in your face, and drafting seguin would be like drafting a second Jordan Eberle. Its funny, cause Seguins first goal of the playoffs is scary similar to Eberles first goal of the season.

Ahh.. draft time.. How I look forward to thee..

its a possibility but I hope not. and don't think they will, the underlining theme seams to be young and new. but with pick number 19 also maybe. or they could trade off pick 19 for something also.

Steve

Maybe someone should start another thread about the draft since this is mainly about the riot. With that said, being an Oilers fan myself, we need a #1 center. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins will fit this role maybe not next year but soon after. D-men can take a while to develop and first line centers do not grow on trees. RNH first pick maybe a d-man second.

Is it fellow rioters that are threatening the captured rioters, or is it the "real" Vancouver fans? Hmmmm..... Win,win