Statistically, as winner of the President cup, they are more likely to win than any other seed (if the statistics below are accurate).

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2011/0...rophy-curse-2/

"Since 93/94, the President Cup winner won more cups than any other seed. They lost less in Round one than any other seed. They lost less in Round 2 than any other seed. They went to at least the 3rd round more than any other seed (11 times)."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...act-or-fiction

"In the 27 seasons starting with 1981-82, of the teams that led the NHL in points during the regular season:
• 12 have gone all the way to the Stanley Cup finals (45 percent).
• Three-quarters of those teams have won the cup (9 of 12)
• 19 have made it to at least the Conference finals (70 percent)
• Only four have been eliminated in the first round (15 percent)
Conclusion: There is no Presidents' Trophy curse. If history is any guide, the team that leads the NHL in regular season points is four to five times more likely than any other team in the playoffs to make it into the Stanley Cup finals, and seven to eight times more likely to win the Cup."

What a disappointment last night. SJ got the worst bounces possible.

Canucks will loose the finals in 5.

I think you missed my point. While those are very nice stats but my point was concluding a win based on Olympic games location as a result of previous coincidences is like concluding the 4th coin will land on heads as a result of 3 previous coins landing on heads. I would agree there is no presidents curse as the top team in the league should go far, pretty simple. In addition I don't buy into other curses and so called streaks which seem to be ever so popular in the sports world these days.

Guess the fortuitous bounce that led to SJ's 2nd goal wasn't anything... They had 4 prior games to be better. Sorry.

The worst bounes off of lous pads?

Do comments like this honestly make you feel any better at all?

I read that what you dont see in the picture of the shark eating the hockey stick on san jose's logo is that the shark actually chokes hard on that stick after the fact.

I am not a SJ fan, however commenting on choking from a Canucks fan is hilarious.

Keep them coming :)

I agree with both comments.

I now hate Bieksa more than ever.

People talk so stupid when they have such little to use against them.
 

I love all the people talking about Canucks getting the bounces, Oh and like sharks first goal was not a lucky bounce? The guys saying they are chokers, I could be wrong but they did just win the last two series in under 7, Its always funny to see the people from alberta bitching, well I dont blame them all they have to cheer for is edmonton and calgary, I would be pretty bitter too.

I guess all I am really saying, is shut up, go golfing with Iginla and Hall, and just sit back and watch the canucks win the cup, something neither of your teams are going to do for a very very long time.

And one last thing, you guys are going to bitch about luo, REALLY after that game last night lol, granted one bad goal here and there, but he was a major reason we won this series.

Calgary was pretty close not too long ago. We'll see how they do but I'm going to make you eat these words if/when they loose :wink:

Missed the people from ontario too.
 

I forgot to mention the fact that not only would people from alberta be better, but people from ontario do not have much to boast about either, ottawa really, I dont even have to say anything about them, then there is toronto, plays just good enough at the end of the year to keep the fools coming back.

Once again, just be quiet and watch them take it home.

Ps I said earlier that edmonton has nothing to be happy about, but look on the bright side, you did get the #1 pick in the draft :)

Twice, no? Didnt they get it last year as well?

You are right, at least there is one thing they are good at winning, its sure as hell not games!

Somebody is getting a wee bit testy. Perchance your confidence in the Canucks is not on solid foundations? :lol:

What do you mean the Canucks won the cup in..... oh wait never. Perhaps that's why Canuck fans are so "testy" as they have much more to prove and of course more likely loose. Us Albertans have been there, done that.

I am confident they could/will win, but they could also lose, all im saying is that people that dont even have a shot, or wont for a very long time should just keep their mouths shut and let us enjoy it :D

But lets all be realistic, do you think boston and tampa, who are struggling to just get out of that series are going to have a chance with against the canucks with daniel and hendrik back, kesler seems alright after looking a bit shaky at the beginning of the game, and luongo playing well?

Also this is just the way i look at it, you think that you would want a canadian team to win the cup more than a american team if you are from canada.... I know i was cheering/betting like a mad man for calgary to make it, just so canada could have a better chance and theres one less american team.

Wait a second...you said daniel, hendrik...then you went on to say Canadian team. A quick check of the Canucks roster shows 17 Canadians and 15 imports. Yup, the Canucks are Canada's team!

Come on, give me a break you know what i mean, Like i said in my first post, its amazing how stupid people sound when they have such little to go by.

Just because we are from a certain area doesn't mean we route for that team. Canadian team or not it makes no difference, hockey is Canada's game and has nothing to do with what teams we Canadians cheer for. As someone already pointed out the roster on the Canucks is hardly Canadian.

Where were the twins last series? They are way too inconsistent. Maybe them and Luongo will show up. Maybe not. If they win congrats, but don't start on all this BS about a Canadian team.

If they lose what's your excuse going to be? Saying that Tampa and Boston don't stand a chance is ignorant. Didn't the Canucks almost loose to an 8th seat???

"I am confident they could/will win, but they could also lose"

That doesn't sound so confident!

Vancouver was the #1 seed going into the playoffs and remains the #1 seed. We made it through three series, sometimes without Luongo or the Sedins playing well. Boston or TB certainly won't be an easy ride and anything can happen in a short series, but we are the favourite to win it all.
Having said that, I'm keeping my fingers crossed: Forty years is too long to wait for a cup. And between Van, SJ, Ana, and LA the West coast teams have one cup to show for 123 years of hockey. Christ, we must be due!

This is one of the most realistic and politically correct post I have read from a Canucks fan. I wish more of the Canucks fans were like you.

Maybe then they would have less haters.......

HATE! HATE! HATE! ;)

Im just going to delete my whole comment and say this.

Anyways Im done arguing I could be wrong i could be right, but lets just sit back and watch how this all unfolds.

Sorry if i offended anyone.

I don't care who's on the team or where they are from...I want the cup in Canada!I can't stand the Leafs, Flames, Oilers...But I'd be rooting for any of them if they were the last canadian team in the playoffs!
Canucks have made it to the final,hopefully 3rd times the charm. :)


my 2 cents

I 100 percent agree about wanting the cup in canada.

;) I can't wait.

I take nothing on these forms personally. If we posted responses on a fish forum about hockey I think it's fair to say we are all pretty passionate about the game.

here here

Sorta makes me want to hit the hockey forums to share a bit about reefkeeping lol.

Keep it in Canada I say. There are no teams that are truly Canadian or American so my patriotism lies in the soil. That's one reason I really enjoyed watching Olympic hockey. That team is much more Canadian.

agreed, Now i have money on boston in the series, so lets see them close it out tonight! Hope they dont collapse like they did in game 4.

HaHa, I love this line...
On a side note, I love how some Canuck haters say things like "Where were the twins last series? They are way too inconsistent. Maybe them and Luongo will show up. Maybe not." A quick look at the NHL league leaders page has 4 Canuck pictures out of the 8 stats leading the league, I mean ****, H. Sedin is only leading the league in points, he should have twice as many points as he does right?

No, I got the point. I was responding to the quote "Does this make them more likely to win or less likely? Statistically speaking it would be less."

Statistically, the president cup winner has the better chance of winning and as useless as it is, statistically, the president cup and Canadian olympic host has a great record of winning too.

We were talking about statistics. If we were talking about probability then yes, independent events have no bearing on future events so the chances are the same, not worse. I understand that if you roll the dice once a day for 7 days and on 2 days, it was sunny and you rolled a 6 on those 2 days, then the chances of rolling a 6 on the next sunny day is 1 out of 6.

What I don't agree with is saying that because they were the Olympics host and they won the presidents Cup, their chances are worse statistically. That is my point. Statistically, it was 100% with a sample size of 2. Statistically, president cup winners win more often than not. Probability wise, their chances are no worse or better.

NO where in your rambling do you show any facts on consistency in the playoffs for the Sedins and Luongo. Yes the Sedins have been good in the past few games, but there are some descent streaks in the playoffs where they have done nothing. To me this means inconsistent!

Do you want me to bring up the fact that both Sedins are -4 in the playoffs? Do you want me to remind you of Luongo getting pulled and not starting the following game? Those are also FACTS!

Ack, lucky bounce...good goals....the reff did it....they farted wrong.....its the odds. Pthhhhhhhh, who gives a hoot.



THEY ARE IN THE FINALS AND THE REST ARE NOT.
:heh:

I totally agree with you. However, in spite of these inconsistencies we are still in the finals. Sounds like a pretty good team to me. :biggrin:
It's not uncommon for a player or players to have a bad game, several games or even a whole series. I remember when Zetterberg & Datsyuk were chastised for their poor play in the playoffs a few years back. As well as Marleau, and Heatley this year. Thornton a few years back. I remember when Theodore was the toast of the league. The next year he couldn't stop a beach ball with a tennis racket. These things happen due to injury, sickness, shut-down opponents, or just plain choking up. Remember when Tikkanen shut down Gretzky for a whole series?
The big prize goes to those teams that can win in spite of the adversities. Can Vancouver win it all? Remains to be seen. I'm a fan, have always been a fan and this team IMO has the best shot to win it all in forty years.

Sorry, I over esimated your hockey intelligence.

Consistency... Goals in the playoffs ( for the Canucks that would mean 18 games, cause I know that mathematically that will trouble you ) 3 of the top 5 are Canucks, 1 of those a Sedin. Consistent is scoring 8 goals in 18 games in the playoffs.

How about Henrik LEADING THE ****ING LEAGUE IN POINTS! 21 points in 18 games, umm yeah I call that consistent.



Are you for real? -4 in the playoffs, really? WOW. I'm sure this will come as a shocker to you, but +/- does not tally on powerplays. You know, the part of the game that the Sedins are absolutely deadly at, to which their whole game is based around. Oh ****, geuss what? The Sedins just happen to be #1 and #2 in powerplay points.

Noticing a trend here bright guy? How about the Sedins leading or almost leading every major statistcal category they are eligble for.

Luongo LEADS THE ****ING LEAGUE IN PLAYOFF WINS! 12 wins out of 18 games played, a .666 winning percentage, which is better than his .633 regualr season winning percentage! Hmmmm... lets see, oh I know consistent would describe it. Oh and while he was at it, he just happens to lead the league in shut outs.

Here's an idea, go out to the local golf course and see if you can find some Leafs, practicing their "shot", perhaps you could hold hands and dream of the next decade where they might possibly make the playoffs.

Wanna see the ultimate consistency, look no further than your local Leafs, since 1967-68 they have not even been to the Stanley Cup Final, now that is consistent!

never have i laughed so hard as i did with this roast. great post. and *ahem*

GO CANUCKS GO!

and I'll just add that the set plays off of a face off in the offensive zone (an indicator of strong skaters and offensive skill) are VERY productive for the sedin line.

just had to throw this up :)

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/q...ersSince67.jpg

haha, I get a kick out of this thread, leading the league in points does not make consistancy.. what did they do for the first two series?? not much.. and were what -10 and -11 (not the exact numbers but close) and I will admidt they did start actualy playing in the last couple games of the second series, but the third series is where they actualy started to play.

I would say there preformance during the play offs has been far from consistant as they only realy made a difference in the last 6 games, to me kessler, tores, burrows, lou and beska (how ever you spell it) have been the most consistant players on the team. I added lou in there because it is consistant with his whole season to let one bad goal a game in and to have a blow out bad game every once and a while.. so his play off preformance is true to his regular season play also.

I actualy hope they win the cup this year, as much as I want to see rollason get a cup so I am a little torn.. my team has been golfing for a while now :mrgreen: but watch out next year.. if they get a new goalie :redface:

I predicted a Vancouver-boston cup befor the start of play offs but I am hoping boston gets knocked out

Steve

I'm just surprised how both Roloson and Thomas have been getting blown out in the East series. It's better that most people don't see the real strengths of the Canucks. They aren't a one line team, with the exception of the last half of Game 5 the team rolls all 4 lines. Anyway, the real strength of the team has been players like Burrows, Kesler, Raymond, Torres, Hamhuis, and support from Malhotra etc. but the focus goes on the Sedins and Luongo. They didn't win the Presidents Trophy with top goals for, top goals against, 1st in PP and 2nd in PK for no reason.

Sorry but almost every negative post just doesn't really address the team and the games well at all. I love watching hockey in general, I watched the Flames in 04, Oil in 06 and Sens in 07, too. Blind team devotion and hate for other teams is pretty dumb and bandwagon-y.

I've played ice hockey for 20-odd years so I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about. :)

Being from a "older" generation,I am a Leafs fan by default.I also have put$$$ behind the Canucks,and Sedins, in a few regular season and playoff pools.Out of the six pools,3 first place $,2 second place $,and first in the last playoff pool with 8 Canucks still available in the final.I believe that is being consistent.Good Luck Canucks and your fans.Cheers Greg

yup there are lots of guns on the canucks but the thing is when the sedins are hot they do actualy make everyone else look like there along for the ride, and I don't like Vancouver my wife does.. but I do agree when they are on they are amazing to watch.



you know I have been playing for 35 years now (who cares how long some one has been playing hockey realy, I know people who have never played and can talk about hockey with the best...) team divotion is good for hockey, I personaly only hate one team though and thats calgary. although I was glad when Lanny finaly got a ring as he deserved one. with out team divotion the NHL would have been having problems long long ago, it is what fuels the league and brings money to the teams. with out that there would be no sell outs for the Oiler Vs. Cow town games, or the montral vs. boston, ect.... divotion is what gets the fans out there to the games, with out it there would be no talk of the possability of the return of the Jetts, so ya it is a good thing.

I do watch a lot of hockey, probably 7 to 10 games a week during regular season (did I mention I love center ICE) but I do not jump band wagons.. when my team is out, I watch the rest but it doesn't matter who wins to me (well as long as it isn't Calgary) , I just like watching the play offs as it is realy the only real hockey of the whole year. everyone is going all or nothing playing hurt, and playing about 100% harder than they do in the regular season.. I even had to set two TV's side by side this year as the dumb a$$es decided to play playoff games at the same time.. and I didn't want to miss them.. I know, I need help, good thing there are two TVs in my Bar downstairs.....:mrgreen:

Steve

Wow, your grade 6 education is really starting to shine in this post. Let me brake down the word consistency for you (as you have clearly demonstrated you have no idea what it means). To be consistent means to do the same thing day in and day out. This is of course not the official definition but I figured I would have to dumb it down a few notches for you to comprehend. (Now, your still with me right?)

You state that over 18 games (thanks, I understand the math) 3 of the top 5 are Canucks......that is great news you should be very proud of that. However, over the first two series how many points did the Sedins have? Where they able to, game in and game out provide sound offense? (I won't even go into there defense, because any hockey fan knows they don't have any). This doesn't sound very consistent to me.

I will even go one step further and break down "consistency" in a simple example (my 4 year old nephew was able to understand this concept, so I am hoping it's not over your head)

Player 1:
scores 0 goals in game 1
scores 0 goals in game 2
scores 0 goals in game 3
scores 4 goals in game 4

Total goals = 4

Player 2:
scores 1 goal in game 1
scores 1 goal in game 2
scores 1 goal in game 3
scores 1 goal in game 4

Total goals = 4

Now from my example provided who is the more consistent player?

Now your attack about me golfing with the Leafs. HAHAHA, I absolutely hate the Leafs, they are a terrible team with a terrible ownership. Do you think that just because I live in Ontario I am a Leaf fan? Give your head a shake.

Yes, the Sedins can score on the power play, there stats prove they suck the rest of the game (the majority of the time). On what percentage out of the game is a team on a powerplay? 10%, 20%, 30% of the time? That leaves a significant amount of time being played where the Sedins CAN be detrimental to the team. (again both at -4)

Now, back to my game of golf with the Leafs ;)