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my2rotties 05-19-2009 05:23 PM

I have pinned down whom they came from as well. I just don't know if I should make mention of it. I also need a better dip for all corals at this point, since I used Revive at the beginning, and it did not help. This is a great store but I don't want them thinking I am making accusations but do want them to know.

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Originally Posted by Ephraim (Post 422101)
Also i think i pinned down who i got these from. I visited the suspected LFS yesterday and took a gander in thier sps tank, all the remaining acro peices are bit to shreds.


Ephraim 05-19-2009 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by my2rotties (Post 422102)
I have pinned down whom they came from as well. I just don't know if I should make mention of it. I also need a better dip for all corals at this point, since I used Revive at the beginning, and it did not help. This is a great store but I don't want them thinking I am making accusations but do want them to know.

Naming names is communication better left for pms

my2rotties 05-19-2009 05:30 PM

Yup, that is why I never said a name.

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Originally Posted by Ephraim (Post 422103)
Naming names is communication better left for pms


Ephraim 05-19-2009 09:11 PM

Well i got my hands on some betadine and finished doing a 3mL per L dip for 25 min. Seems to work pretty well. The corals are stressed and are sliming up big time, but thier polyps are 50% out and looking strong. I dont think i will bother using the kent dip for treatment, maybe as preventative from now on. It didnt kill the worms last night, only knocked them off gently. The betadine gave the flat worms a chuck norris round house and killed them almost instantly also took off alot more than the kent did last night.

Now time will tell how the corals will cope with the stress from the dip.

Delphinus 05-19-2009 09:19 PM

What's betadine, where do you get it? Sounds like something you get a pharmacy? If so what's the concentration you want to use?

my2rotties 05-19-2009 09:23 PM

Good to hear it is working. I sure hope the little phamacy out here has it. I can honestly say the Revive did not put mch of a dent in the flatworms. Mind you I used it off the get go and it didn't seem to work.

Thanks for posting this thread.

Ephraim 05-19-2009 09:35 PM

Betadine is usually found next to the bandaids, something to do with first aid.

But it is apparently tough to find at pharmacies now, most have discontinued selling it, but you can order it in at most. You should be able to find it at a vet easier.

I followed the dosing instructions that Melev from RC used when he had this problem several years ago, 3 mL / L @ 25 min.

my2rotties 05-19-2009 10:14 PM

Found it at the little pharmacy here in Bragg... I got the small bottle for $5.99 for 100ml. Will be trying this very shortly.

my2rotties 05-20-2009 12:35 AM

Well this dip is removing stuff that the Revive did not touch. I have more flat worms falling off. From this point on, any new corals will be dipped in the Bentadine. My corals are not very upset with this dip, and I feel they are doing even better then a dip in Revive.

I wish I had a good camera, since the stuff falling off is disturbing, especially since they were already dipped in Revive once before.

Ephraim 05-20-2009 12:48 AM

so much more satisfying dipping in the betadine eh? Works really well.

The acros i dipped this afternoon have responded well, though still not 100%. This dip kills the color though, heavy browning very quickly.

my2rotties 05-20-2009 12:54 AM

Everything I have dipped so far is colouring up right away although polyp extension is not that great. I was worried about the dip discolouring corals anyways since it goes that brownish colour when the betadine is added to the water. I will ALWAYS use this for a dip now... if you could see the carnage on the bottom of the dipping container... then again, you do know.

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Originally Posted by Ephraim (Post 422264)
so much more satisfying dipping in the betadine eh? Works really well.

The acros i dipped this afternoon have responded well, though still not 100%. This dip kills the color though, heavy browning very quickly.


dreef 05-20-2009 04:02 AM

Aefs
 
I too am guilty of just adding frags and colonies without dipping.I have about 40 acros,frags and colonies combined.I noticed that my tri color valida was turning white on the base,and spreading up the branches quickly.Took the bone cutters out,and chopped up a 6 inch colony,yup aefw :( Did about 2 hrs reading on RC and decided to go with a members plan of attach.Using tmpcc and fluke tabs.Got water and salt mixed up,a rubbermaid tub ready for the weekend.You need to remove ALL acros,clean all the eggs off,dip and quarantine for at least a month.You will need to redip the corals every week in the quarantine,to kill hatching eggs.The egg clusters are a yellowish brown,and the aefw are HUGE compared to the normal harmless ones.Very light colored compared to the normal ones,if you blow them off,your fish will gobble them up.Here's what happened in less than a month...it going to really suck !! but i have everything to lose...............lesson hard learned. Tri color is bottom corner right

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79...1/DSC00857.jpg

same coral :(

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/stock_1/AEFW.jpg

Ephraim 05-20-2009 04:14 AM

valida is like crack for these little beasts

dreef 05-20-2009 04:24 AM

Quote..valida is like crack for these little beasts

That's what i've read,a prefered acro to destroy.And it neighbour is a 4 inch colony of coralmasters purple valida.I hope it hangs in till the weekend,it's totally encrusted to some rocks,it's going to have to be broken up,to get it off :(

Snappy 05-20-2009 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dreef (Post 422338)
Quote..valida is like crack for these little beasts

That's what i've read,a prefered acro to destroy.And it neighbour is a 4 inch colony of coralmasters purple valida.I hope it hangs in till the weekend,it's totally encrusted to some rocks,it's going to have to be broken up,to get it off :(

I thought that looked familiar.:wink:

my2rotties 05-20-2009 05:37 PM

Yep I lost several pieces of my valida as well. They were the first to go and I had no clue what was happening. I thought it was my water or new lighting. I dip everything in Revive prior to placing corals... it did not kill them all I guess. Even when I saw this post and dipped all corals in Revive, not all of the flatworms came off. When I did the Betadine dips, it was nuts how much stuff was falling off.

Since last nights dips, nothing has died yet, and the tissue loss has stopped so far. I did lose one of my favorite acros when I dipped it in Revive... I guess it was too far gone to save although it looked like it had no no flatworms at all.

I have lost about $600 worth of corals...:sad: A few of the ones left are brown for now, and the others are luckily colouring up now. I tried to frag some of them, but most did not make it anyways. I should have QTd the corals after dipping, but these were all from the same place, and my dipping methods for prevention proved the be a failure.

Time to think of a new master plan... I don't have the proper lighting on the QT tank for corals either, just fish. I can't even give these corals to a new home, since they are infested with flatworms...

Werbo 05-21-2009 04:16 PM

So what is the answer? Are others finding that Revive is not efficient? How about on RC?

I bought Betadine yesterday when at the drug store but was hoping for more information.
Does anyone know of a RC thread that details people success/failures with Betadine? How much does Betadine stress out the corals?

my2rotties 05-21-2009 04:36 PM

I found that Revive did not help one bit. Any corals that are now on their way out, are probably too far gone to save in the first place. Mine have had flat worms for quite some time, and I did not know any better. I thought it was my water or my new halides... I just had no clue until I saw this thread.

I dip all corals in revive and it was not strong enough to do the job, either prior to putting them in my tank, or treating the flatworms once I knew I had them. Right now, I believe my corals are beyond dipping and I will have to get Interceptor from the vet... my dogs need deworming for the season anyways.

My lack of knowledge and diagnosis and solely relying on a dip cost me hundreds of dollars. I will be doing things differently from now on. I do have some stronger pieces that are doing very well, but I don't think they had flatworms just yet. The ones I bought that had them, are all pretty much history.

Too little too late. I did not find the Betadine had too much ill effect on the corals, most coloured up right away. I was worried about the colour of the Betadine staying on the corals but it didn't.

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Originally Posted by Tyler Werbowski (Post 422683)
So what is the answer? Are others finding that Revive is not efficient? How about on RC?

I bought Betadine yesterday when at the drug store but was hoping for more information.
Does anyone know of a RC thread that details people success/failures with Betadine? How much does Betadine stress out the corals?


Ephraim 05-21-2009 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler Werbowski (Post 422683)

I bought Betadine yesterday when at the drug store but was hoping for more information.
Does anyone know of a RC thread that details people success/failures with Betadine? How much does Betadine stress out the corals?

There was mention in the massive Melev thread on RC about AEFW that the betadine stressed the corals out alot and caused significant browning. But I did not experience that when I did my dip. Stress was noticable yes and they did drop some color. But a day after, they looked happy as ever, although color was not 100%. I did not loose a single thing due to the dip.

Ephraim 05-21-2009 11:14 PM

inspected the affected corals when i got home after work today and things are looking good. Many of the bite marks have filled in quite quickly. Will be doing a followup dip early next week, to see what i can knock off then.

RuGlu6 05-22-2009 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ephraim (Post 421168)
Over the last couple days, I have had three peices of acro fade in color. I was having some slight alk issues, assumed that was the reason. Upon closer inspection last night I noticed small white bite marks. And the corals affected are all smooth skinned acros. You know what that means....

AEFW

Must have picked them up from an aquacultured peice from the LFS. But just incase, if you have sold me frags in the last little while, please check your colonies, just in case, but it was probably from the LFS. Luckily i have not passed on any frags to anyone is quite a while.

I have to confess, i have never done any dipping, QTing or taken any preventative measures. So it's my own damn fault. Guess I learnt my lesson.

As I am out of town for the weekend I am going to tackle treatment on monday. If anyone has had success in ridding themselves of these beasts, please give me some insight.

Please everyone, don't be like me, QT your new additions or at very least dip. I was just to the point where I was really happy with my tank and the success I have been having with sps, and then i get this kick in the nuts.

Phosbuster (Po4 remover) from J&L at recomended dosage wiped all !!! FW in my nano.
However side effect was it wiped almost all of the pods as well.

Ephraim 05-27-2009 01:26 AM

Just finished doing a second dip in betadine about a week after the first dip. Not a single visible flatworm was found in the water after the dip. The previously affected corals are looking much better, bites are healed over and new growth noticable.


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