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kien 07-23-2011 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dez (Post 625317)
Love the pink lily. I'll have to get me one of those after my pond is built.

Ya, the pink is my fav. I have two pinks, a white and a yellow. Have had the 4 for the past three years and they have all bloomed every year quite well.

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Originally Posted by fishytime (Post 625318)
Ive always thought koi were purdy ( I have a koifish tat on my leg)......do you have any crazy expensive ones ??

Koi bring me a different level of enjoyment from watching my saltwater fish. The big differences being, I can sit by my pond and hand feed my koi and pet them as they swim by. They are so graceful and peaceful to watch from overhead as they glide through the water. The reef fish are quite different to watch as they are always darting around quickly, chasing each other.

I don't have any crazy expensive koi. The most expensive koi I have was $150 that I got when he was 6". He's now 20" and probably worth $500-$1000. All of the other koi were purchased at about the same length or smaller. They grow very fast. I have a lot of inexpensive American koi and mutts. Nothing showy other than that one I mentioned. I'm not really interested in the expensive showy fish. There are lots of pretty koi out there that are reasonably priced. I also have various goldfish, Sarasa, comets, Shubunkins, etc..

kien 07-23-2011 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 625322)
Love the shots man! Is that one plant anubias?

Nope. Don't have any of those. I think you are referring to the Pickerel Rush (Pondeteria cordata). They are currently in bloom too actually but I figured I'd already maxed out my pansy quotient for the day. :lol:

My big water gardening experiment this year is trying to grow blue Nile River water lilies and water lotus from seed :surprise: Last year I did manage to grow a water lotus from seed and get a few leaves from the seed. However, I made the mistake of placing them in the pond too soon and the fish at them :(

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Frankly Canadian 07-23-2011 02:37 AM

Nice Pond! I've been working on my backyard oasis for last couple years and I'm getting really close to completing it. Thanks for the info, I've been wondering what to do with my fish over winter and you've answered a few questions for me. I'll post my pics when I'm all finished.

kien 08-12-2011 04:31 AM

Here's an update on one of my water gardening experiements. I'm attempting to grow out a batch of Water Lotus from seed. The seeds I ordered on-line from Thailand.

Here's one of the seeds which I nicked to prepare it.

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/...110728_001.jpg

I have 4 colours, Red, Pink, Light Pink and white varieties. After nicking the seeds I then plunked them into small plastic containers with water.

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I put them on a window sill and performed daily water changes.

About a week later they started to sprout.

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and sprout..

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and sprout..

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/...110809_010.jpg

and we have our first leaf!

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/...110809_009.jpg

If a mod happens upon this could you move this to the Freshwater forum? Please and thank you! :-D

lastlight 08-12-2011 05:40 AM

I personally feel that cup is far too small for 4 seedlings. Beyond that it's an interesting project.

Everyone please do your research before trying this yourself.

kien 08-12-2011 05:45 AM

You may not have noticed but once they sprouted they left the cup for a yogurt container. This weekend they'll be going into Instant Ocean buckets. (see what I just did there?? Still saltwater related).

kien 08-24-2011 04:23 AM

Koi feeding frenzy.
 
nom nom nom nom

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FishyFishy! 08-26-2011 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 631431)
nom nom nom nom


"nom nom" LOL LOL LOL

muck 08-29-2011 03:02 PM

Love the Koi shots Kien. :biggrin:

kien 09-01-2011 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by muck (Post 632382)
Love the Koi shots Kien. :biggrin:

Thanks Cankles :-)

Well, the season is about to wind down. Spent the good part of the summer rejuvenating the pond. Last year weeds had over taken the landscape around the pond and there were a few other things that required maintenance which kept me fairly busy. Here she is in the prime of her season this year.

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kien 09-01-2011 05:28 AM

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Coleus 09-01-2011 06:18 AM

beautiful landscape and pond. So peaceful it seems

Doug 09-01-2011 12:58 PM

Just beautiful. Very good work. Even the pics look relaxing.

kien 07-31-2012 05:20 PM

The Pond - 2012
 
Some pics of our outdoor Koi "tank" - Summer 2012 :-)

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kien 07-31-2012 05:21 PM

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FishyFishy! 07-31-2012 05:24 PM

So ridiculously jealous of the outdoor sectional..... If it goes missing... I swear it wasn't me...

kien 07-31-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FishyFishy! (Post 734481)
So ridiculously jealous of the outdoor sectional..... If it goes missing... I swear it wasn't me...

I'll blame Jared..

Ya I do love the sectional too. Its nice and confy! I could sit there for hours.. if I wasn't getting roasted by the sun LOL. Next up on my to-do list is to throw up a gazebo over the sectional. Well, maybe not an traditional gazebo but at least a roof with maybe screen walls/doors.

FishyFishy! 07-31-2012 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 734482)
I'll blame Jared..

HAHAHA sweet deal!

Looks great tho.

mandyplo 08-03-2012 03:08 AM

Wow absolutely gorgeous. Love that platinum butterfly! I'm on the search for one myself at the moment, told my bf its my only birthday wish lol!! Your pond is just beautiful. I really like the modern look to it... Makes me want to convert my "naturally looking" pond to one like yours! Uh oh.

mandyplo 08-03-2012 03:47 AM

After looking at this entire thread I noticed I have a number of koi and one shubunkin that look almost identical to some of yours !! I'll have to post some pics :)

kien 08-05-2012 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mandyplo (Post 735034)
Wow absolutely gorgeous. Love that platinum butterfly! I'm on the search for one myself at the moment, told my bf its my only birthday wish lol!! Your pond is just beautiful. I really like the modern look to it... Makes me want to convert my "naturally looking" pond to one like yours! Uh oh.

Thanks! :-D Ya, I do like the natural look as well. However, that look just wouldn't work for the space at all. So instead of trying to fake out a natural pond setting I decided to make it more contemporary.

The platinum butterfly is definitely one of my favourites as well. They are hard to come by.

Zoaelite 08-05-2012 06:40 PM

Looks stellar as always Kien! Any problems with fish snatchers this year?

kien 08-05-2012 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoaelite (Post 735533)
Looks stellar as always Kien! Any problems with fish snatchers this year?

I did s a Heron one morning sizing up the pond but I chased it away and never saw it again. Have not noticed any missing fish :-)

Actually I have a lot of fry right now as the koi went all 50 shades of gray on me this past spring.

kien 08-05-2012 08:34 PM

Not on *me* personally.. although.. Oh nevermind!

mandyplo 09-05-2012 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kien (Post 735555)
I did s a Heron one morning sizing up the pond but I chased it away and never saw it again. Have not noticed any missing fish :-)

Actually I have a lot of fry right now as the koi went all 50 shades of gray on me this past spring.

I have some fry in my pond right now too! First time I've ever seen my koi breed! I was so excited I thought I was seeing things :D !!!

Vancouver Reefer 12-09-2012 06:03 PM

Whats the filtration system you use on the pond? Is it hidden under the deck?

kien 12-09-2012 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Vancouver Reefer (Post 771729)
Whats the filtration system you use on the pond? Is it hidden under the deck?

It's a giant Laguna power filter hidden(ish) behind the waterfall :-)

kien 04-28-2013 06:59 PM

2013 Pond Season!
 
So this year I decided to renovate the pond a bit. Nothing too dramatic. I'm planning to just add 2 feet in length and 6" in depth and re-cut some ledges for plants.

Right now the fish are living in a trough and the pond has been prepped for the re-dig!

Weeeeeeeeeeee!!

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/...psbaefd4d9.jpg

The Grizz 04-28-2013 07:31 PM

The pond must have a closed loop I would imagine since you love them so much. :twised:

KevinK 04-29-2013 03:19 AM

if I se all this, I miss my baby's

before immigrating I left my 10.000 gal koi pond, with about 40 kois in the 24 to 34 inch range + some in the 10 to 15 range.

my dad whom is getting older cant keep up with them (as it was al mine) is pumping the pond as we speak.

trucks are coming next week to fill her up.

all fish are donated to a zoo, as no one wanted to spend a dollar on it, and now he at least gets some annual entrance passes for it.

to bad, but I do miss it.

I would do it over right away, but have to wait for the lotto, as I cant keep that size of fish in the open here, so thy have to be in a out house/ greenhouse, or in a sunroom

kien 04-29-2013 03:32 AM

Progress!
 
It probably doesn't look all that different but believe me, there is a mountain of dirt and clay in my back yard that says otherwise!

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7ac8eae9.jpg

I was going to extend the length by 2 feet but after a day of digging I decided, eff that!! My back is killing me! Man I hate clay.

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/...psdbf111dc.jpg

I did manage to complete all of my other goals though. The ledges have been completely re-cut and the space is better utilized. It is also 6" deeper right in the middle where it gradually slopes down.

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/...ps226b43d3.jpg

Tomorrow I hope to drop down the new liner and start filling her up.

Have I mentioned that digging clay sucks goat nads?!

Dez 04-29-2013 04:13 AM

Nice Kien. I'm debating renovating my front pond this year, but dread digging. I got my backyard pond up and running last weekend. I lost a few fish over the winter :(, but 35 of them survived. I found a baby that survived too!

I say you keep digging that 2 feet in length. It'll be worth it in the end.

kien 04-29-2013 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dez (Post 815095)
Nice Kien. I'm debating renovating my front pond this year, but dread digging. I got my backyard pond up and running last weekend. I lost a few fish over the winter :(, but 35 of them survived. I found a baby that survived too!

I say you keep digging that 2 feet in length. It'll be worth it in the end.

35?! Wow you have a lot of fish. I suppose you have the room for them. I've been pretty lucky. Over three winters outside and I've only lost two. No losses this past winter. Last summer I did something different and that was to feed them more! 4 times a day with an auto-feeder. They got really fat LOL. Some are just simply too weak to withstand winter and you kinda have to accept that if you over winter outside.

Did I mention I hate digging?! I got to a point where my right forearm started to spasm and the muscle seized haha. Had to rest and massage it to loosen it up before I could continue. Ya, I have a desk job and I'm weak :-(

kien 04-29-2013 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Grizz (Post 814971)
The pond must have a closed loop I would imagine since you love them so much. :twised:

Yes, as a matter of fact it does!

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinK (Post 815077)
if I se all this, I miss my baby's

before immigrating I left my 10.000 gal koi pond, with about 40 kois in the 24 to 34 inch range + some in the 10 to 15 range.

my dad whom is getting older cant keep up with them (as it was al mine) is pumping the pond as we speak.

trucks are coming next week to fill her up.

all fish are donated to a zoo, as no one wanted to spend a dollar on it, and now he at least gets some annual entrance passes for it.

to bad, but I do miss it.

I would do it over right away, but have to wait for the lotto, as I cant keep that size of fish in the open here, so thy have to be in a out house/ greenhouse, or in a sunroom

They are addictive as they do develop quite a personality. I love feeding them by hand and they are so majestic to watch swimming around in the pond. 10,000 gallons?! Oh man, that's some water volume. I don't think I could handle that volume. My tiny volume is just about right for me. It can be a bit of a chore, especially when you start battling algae.

Dez 04-29-2013 03:18 PM

What kind of auto feeder did you use? I only fed mine twice a day in the evening after work.

Delphinus 04-29-2013 03:20 PM

I hear you on the digging Kien. I don't think I'll ever put a pond in at my place as I remember every single minute of digging the post holes for the fence the tree holes.. I'm right over top of some rather interesting glacial sill, which is probably more rock than clay but definitely the right amount of both to make digging very difficult. For the fence, I ran out of steam for the post holes with only two terminal holes left, I hired a bobcat to do the two holes and he broke his auger. He tells me afterwards "I am soooo raising my minimum price for any of your neighbours who hire me." :lol:

Anyhow so how do you battle algae in these things?

What's a water change like? Do you pump the outgoing water onto the grass, or what do you do with it? Can you get in trouble if you just pump it into a swail or a storm sewer?

FishyFishy! 04-29-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Delphinus (Post 815155)
What's a water change like? Do you pump the outgoing water onto the grass, or what do you do with it? Can you get in trouble if you just pump it into a swail or a storm sewer?

I also wonder about peoples water changing regiments. Jared and I are going to be building a pond this spring, so i'm trying to plan before hand if I need some sort of a drain setup. Luckily I have a swail on the edge of my property right behind the pond, so drainage will be easy.

How often do you change water? Or do you even change water?

kien 04-29-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dez (Post 815153)
What kind of auto feeder did you use? I only fed mine twice a day in the evening after work.

When the pond started 7 years ago now I think, I only fed twice a day. Morning and evening because ya, those were the only times I was home! But everywhere I read says you should really be feeding them 3 to 4 times a day if you want them to put on some major weight. Especially if you plan to over winter outside in harsh climates. After using an auto-feeder on my Reef for a few years with great success I googled pond auto-feeders and found this:

http://blog.petsolutions.com/storage...=1331149439300

It's called a fish mate p7000. I was going to order it online but then happend to find a bunch of them stocked at my local big box pet store! It has been a god send! The first few years the fish grew fine (or so I thought) but after a whole season with the auto-feeder, wow, growth was explosive! I have it programmed to feed 3 times a day while I'm at work but I will still feed them their 4th meal in the evenings myself. It's amazing their appetites! When I feed them in the evenings they act as if they haven't been fed all day! :lol:

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Originally Posted by Delphinus (Post 815155)
I hear you on the digging Kien. I don't think I'll ever put a pond in at my place as I remember every single minute of digging the post holes for the fence the tree holes.. I'm right over top of some rather interesting glacial sill, which is probably more rock than clay but definitely the right amount of both to make digging very difficult. For the fence, I ran out of steam for the post holes with only two terminal holes left, I hired a bobcat to do the two holes and he broke his auger. He tells me afterwards "I am soooo raising my minimum price for any of your neighbours who hire me." :lol:

Anyhow so how do you battle algae in these things?

What's a water change like? Do you pump the outgoing water onto the grass, or what do you do with it? Can you get in trouble if you just pump it into a swail or a storm sewer?

Ya, digging sucks. The area where the pond is for some reason is really rocky too. I have a mountain of bolders as well that I dug up. Today I noticed that I have wonderful blisters on my right hand :lol: When I first dug out the pond I had my dad helping me and we did it over the course of an entire week. I do recall it being back breaking labour then as well but at least we spread out the workload a bit. Still, digging sucks!

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Originally Posted by FishyFishy! (Post 815162)
I also wonder about peoples water changing regiments. Jared and I are going to be building a pond this spring, so i'm trying to plan before hand if I need some sort of a drain setup. Luckily I have a swail on the edge of my property right behind the pond, so drainage will be easy.

How often do you change water? Or do you even change water?

I have a swail that runs along the back edge of my property as well and that's where I typically drain the pond to. I honestly don't know if that's against bylaws. Maybe I should check LOL. I will often times drain the pond into the garden (flower beds, trees, vegetable garden, etc) as well. Pond water is wonderful for this.

Mike, I do not have a bottom drain but if you read on various pond/koi forums they will certainly always recommend you install a bottom drain into a new build. I thought about installing one in mine with the recent reno but honestly, 7 years running this pond and I never had major problems with sludge build up. Also, a lot of the sites that recommend the bottom drains are referring to people who live in much warmer climates. I fear the installation of a bottom drain in our climate because if a seal breaks down there, or if the pipe to the bottom drain cracks, you are SOL!! I would rather not risk that to be honest.

Previously I just sucked up the bottom of the pond with one of them laguna pond pumps but this year I'm going to do something slightly different. I'm going to build semi-bottom drain but with the plumbing in the pond and not under the pond in the ground. I am also building myself a new above ground filter system. Previously I just used an off the shelf powerfilter (laguna). It works, but I find it high maintenance to clean so often.

As for water changes, yes, every couple of weeks I do a 50% water changes. sometimes in the middle of summer because of the sun and algae I'll need to do a 50-75% every week! I've discovered the secret to keeping algae at bay though, and that is to grow floating plants like water hyacinth and water lettuce. Both will grow like weeds and out compete algae. My pond was so overgrown with floating plants I had to give and throw away bucket loads of them!

FishyFishy! 04-29-2013 04:01 PM

Good to know where to get some plants this summer then! haha.

I'm thinking of using a laguna pond pump that pumps up to a custom rubbermaid filter that spits it out onto a rock waterfall. I'll probably just T the piping so that it can pump right into my swail with the turn of a couple valves.

Delphinus 04-29-2013 04:36 PM

Well out of interest I started poking around the bylaws. Not surprisingly it's rather ambiguous...

Although not mentioned here in the FAQ:
http://www.calgary.ca/UEP/Water/Page...omeowners.aspx

The bylaw itself (http://www.calgary.ca/CA/city-clerks...5-Drainage.pdf) does seem to state that you can drain from a decorative pond so long as it is less than 3000 litres.

However, elsewhere, it mentions that a decorative pond is defined as "an artificial body of water for ornamental purposes but does not include fish ponds". But then.... nowhere does it say that fish ponds are allowed to be drained into a swale, but neither does it state "do not".

It does list that fish themselves can't be put into the drainage. But I can't find anything about water that has touched fish while in your custody.

Confused as ever as to whether the city feels they can fine you for draining a pond into the swales or not. :neutral: I know they will gleefully fine you if you don't keep it clean enough or if you dare put anything close to it or over top of it. That's a rant for another day though.


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