I have. I liked them. Not as nice as the Phoenix but still nice. I rate the 14K (duel ended) as such..

1. Phoenix 14K (Good balance between growth and colour).

2. XM 15K (A good alternative to Phoenix).

3. Ushio 14K (much whiter than most which means great growth. Needs to be supplimented with a lot of blue T5s though).

3. Giessman/Hamilton/etc (kinda meh on these ones. They get the job done).

4. eBay 14/15K ( cheap, but don't tend to last long. Either burn out quickly or colour shift noticeably earlier).

Great info! Thanks

No problem! Just keep in mind that these are my opinions. Don't take it as gospel :-). Your (and others) experience(s) and opinions may differ.

Any sources in Canada for Ushio bulbs? Haven't been able to find any, or have they also gone the way of Phoenix?

I haven't seen Ushios for a couple of years now. I only see them online with US retailers. It's possible you can still get them but I haven't seen any (locally in Canada).

This sucks. Phoenix are my favorite. How about Ushio 20000K DE? Good growth? Too blue?

I tried the 20K Ushios once and didn't really like them. As you suggested, too blue for me. Others may like that, but the bluer bulb does mean slower growth.

My first mh setup came with 5-6 different 10k bulbs that were all too white for me. Tried Pheonix and loved them. Then I tried the $20 Artemis 14K bulbs from hobbylights onestop and visually they were exactly the same as Pheonix 14k. Not sure about growth but I liked the look and loved the $20 price. Unfortunately hobbylights doesn't list them on their website anymore so I switched back to Pheonix.

Anyone able to source the Artemis 14k bulbs?