You should have joined the webinar :mrgreen:

The system comes with a simple mixing ration you follow per 1 USA gallon, you then dose this by a doser.

Part C must be the same dosing rate as I think its part B, but I will double check this for you.

I would have loved to but pulling a 12hrs every day at the university is not an easy work.:razz:

Yah that's what I was thinking: it should come with a specific mixing ratio which cannot be changed for the theory to work. And I am guessing the ratio also maintains 2dkh to 10ppm. Right?

Here are the dosing instructions and recommended concentrations

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When trying to find issue with the system and I am sure many here will try to, remember the person that invented this is still regarded as the leading author on this subject who has world wide respect and acclaim in the industry, he would have in the last nearly 30 years been fielded every possible scenario.

I do not pertain to know all the real critical details but I can give you the phone number of the person that does ;) However what we will lay out here in this thread is the important facts that the average hobbyist will understand. if they still do not then please join the next webinar.

If anyone has doubts I will put you in direct contact.

The "additional" trace elements are those above and beyond what is found in NSW which are seen as beneficial elements to your corals also. They are an addition.

That's what I understood as well Michael, you have to dose C the same rate as B.

Quick Q: you have to dose 125ml of A and 125ml of B at the same time or multiple of that right depending on the depletion rate? Or can the amount of ml of each solution be changed? I can understand you have to dose the same amount of B and C (x ml) but what about A and B?

I haven't been following all that closely so excuse me if this question has been answered. Is this system available? Have any been distributed to retailers and what is the approximate start up cost ?

So are you suggesting part C contains all of the above?!? And if so then that would be exceedingly difficult to do unless mixing it up in extremely large batches as some of those elements really are "trace" elements. Additionally, many are not necessary for the health of our reef inhabitants. So it's not like that chart is a compilation of what is in part c; or any synthetic salt for that matter.

I understand completely what you are saying about balanced dosing and imbalances that may occur depending on how elements are being consumed and then dosed. The point I am trying to make is that, while the TM products may very well be good and an easy solution , I think it's fair to say that the same thing could be accomplished with other dosing regimens and other trace element solutions that contain the elements that are consumed and used by corals etc.

I just think it's a bit of marketing speak to suggest that only Tropic Marin provides a balanced dosing solution and by doing it other ways you are creating or feeding an imbalance. That may be true if someone is only dosing two part or two part plus Mg. But I suspect most dose other trace element complexes as well from numerous other brands and we don't see reef tanks using other products crashing left right and center or going wildly out of balance all over the place.

Sure, the TM products may very well be a good and easy solution but other options exist to do essentially the same thing and they don't involve mixing up your own trace element complexes one element at a time etc.

Just to reiterate, I'm not knocking the TM solution as I'm sure it works as advertised. Just trying to have a balanced view as to what it's accomplishing and how it might compare to other options.

And just to add one thing, some of the trace elements listed in your chart would also be extremely expensive and or controlled materials so they are unlikely to be found in the part c complex.

Hiya

For your area Bayside has it and another big shipment just left, I think Pats pets may have it also but I know he was runnign low and off sick right now so have not been able to touch base with him.

Wais aquarium has it, so does aquaurium illusions, Concepts has it coming in and a few other stores in the region.