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fixerupper
03-31-2013, 12:40 AM
I posted a review over on the Reef Supply Canada website so here's a lazy guy's cut/paste/edit version for Canreef:

I was reading the discussion over on Reef Central about this pump when I happened to see a pre-order listing for these at Reef Supply Canada. My curiosity got the better of me so I snagged on of these just before the order deadline. The shipment arrived quickly and communication was great as is usual from Nick. It arrived in the box pictured on the order page. It luckily arrived in great shape BUT it really should have been double boxed. I doubt that the manufacture's box would be up to the usual rigours of Canada Post. While I'm grousing, many forums indicate that it ships with a resistor for the night sensor. No such goodies arrived in my box.

So, it's been installed for about a week on the end of a 6' long 100 gallon tank. It's more than powerful enough to create waves that can slop over the ends of the tank. While I was adjusting the settings I noticed that the pump had some zoos in the intake grill. The flow had ripped them from their mother colony, dislodged my monti cap and a blew over few other corals. :redface: If you don't want to do involuntary fragging I'd be careful choosing modes. It had a bit of a buzzy noise when ramping up/down but that disappeared after a few days. Now its very quiet. My favourite mode is "Else" which is similar to a random setting. The corals (that stay glued down) seem to love it. The controller doesn't have the flexibility of my MP40 but this is offset by the ability to direct the flow (like a Tunze?).

The tank always has had a bit of a surface film that I've never been able to skim off through my hang-on overflow. After first installing the WP40 it agitated the water well enough to send the film (and a whole lot of other suspended crud) through the overflow and into my sump where the skimmer and socks could do their jobs. I'm still messing with finding the optimal placement on the glass and best settings. While "else" is my favourite mode it can create the odd random high wave that can induce some mild arse puckering. Time will tell how reliable these are but it seems fairly robust so far. I'm going to get another and retire 3 of the Korallias.

The Codfather
03-31-2013, 02:53 AM
Sounds good Darcy, thanks for the info.
I just ordered two myself, I've done some reading on a few forums and should be able to wire this into my profilux with a little DIY.
I've read a lot of people did not receive the photocell, sounds like it didn't run so well anyway. If mine come with them, they're yours if you want them.
From what I've read, you either like them or hate them. But for the price, I'll take the chance. I'm starting with two for now, but think four total pending placement.
I'll post what I find as well.
Thanks,
Bob

rhody605
03-31-2013, 03:21 AM
Tagging along. I'm debating of getting one or waiting for the wp-25 if it will come out. I'm in no rush so time is on my side. If I were to get a wp-40 I would have to do a mod. Prob just the voltage selector for power supply. Only about $20 to tone it down.

The Codfather
03-31-2013, 03:35 AM
Ya, the wp25 is not far from release.
I may get two of these as well just for fun......

Kevany
03-31-2013, 04:47 AM
I ordered one of the WP40's last week for my 90 gal on line $107.00 including shipping. The rumor on RC is that the WP25's are only rated for 3000 l/h.

ImprezaSTi
03-31-2013, 06:31 AM
You have to look really carefully for the light sensor, they put it in the small clear bag with the stickers. I thought mine didn't come with it either but I discovered it a few days later. It's smaller than the size of a pin

fixerupper
03-31-2013, 06:53 AM
You have to look really carefully for the light sensor, they put it in the small clear bag with the stickers. I thought mine didn't come with it either but I discovered it a few days later. It's smaller than the size of a pin

I'd heard they were small and was careful to look for them. If by the 'stickers' you mean the sticky tape they send to mount the controller, that bag was open and the contents were loose in the box, so who knows. The box has two open slots where the ends meet the bottom. Anything that small could have easily made its escape. The ties used to bundle the cords were just loosely twisted on and the cardboard pieces securing the contents were flattened. It all had the look of being opened and poorly re packed. I know Nick would have made it right but it's not that big of a deal to me since nothing was broken and the important bits were all still there. I only mention it since it might be an issue with others more eager to use the sensor.

Reefer head
03-31-2013, 07:04 AM
Where can I order these pumps ?

Kevany
03-31-2013, 01:04 PM
PM sent with link to web site.

Reefer head
03-31-2013, 03:41 PM
Awesome thanks man I just ordered two of wp40 pumps

SteveConn
04-03-2013, 03:45 AM
I ordered and just received 2 of these from the company in china. Very powerful. Just have them running in a tank of tap water to allow anything to leach from them ...just in case....
I figure they can always be used to mix salt water if I decide to keep them out of the tank, but they look pretty good and can really move water!

chris121277
04-04-2013, 03:12 PM
I ordered one of the WP40's last week for my 90 gal on line $107.00 including shipping. The rumor on RC is that the WP25's are only rated for 3000 l/h.


That's a good price, where did you order it from?

reefermadness
04-04-2013, 03:31 PM
I just ordered one last night from fish-street. I didnt know you could get them anywhere else.....

Cant wait to check it out.

scubadawg
04-04-2013, 05:14 PM
I asked David at Aquagiant to bring them in, since he's a Jaboa dealer, don't know when he will get them, if he can, he's checking into this

H2o2
04-04-2013, 06:34 PM
reefsupplycanada.com i believe is a dealer and he is out of Kelowna and an order is coming soon

Kevany
04-04-2013, 07:29 PM
These pumps are getting pretty good reviews on Reef Central, some that have bought the WP40's are so happy with them that they are selling off their MP40's.

Kevany
04-04-2013, 07:34 PM
That's a good price, where did you order it from?

Same place as reefermadness, when I purchased mine it was preorder so I received 10% off. If you use coupon code fishstreet you will receive 3% off.

Reef Suppy Canada seems to have dropped thier price since I ordered mine to be more inline with the dealer in China.

mrhasan
04-04-2013, 08:12 PM
I contacted directly with jebao for the pump. Their price is $40 for the pump. When I asked for shipping, they said its gonna cost $80 to ship to my address and I was like WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!

chris121277
04-06-2013, 12:57 AM
Any chance someone would take a shot of one next to a Korilia Evo for size comparison?

All the pictures I've seen of them I haven't been able to picture just how big they are :biggrin:

The Codfather
04-10-2013, 04:07 AM
Both my pumps arrived in the mail today. Packing was very good, everything was in the packages, including the photo sensor.
After playing around with them for the past hour or so, for the price of each pump, Id have to say well worth it. Ill get some pictures up in a few.

mrhasan
04-10-2013, 04:19 AM
Both my pumps arrived in the mail today. Packing was very good, everything was in the packages, including the photo sensor.
After playing around with them for the past hour or so, for the price of each pump, Id have to say well worth it. Ill get some pictures up in a few.

Got mine today too. Can't use the w1, w2, w3 or else because they are too powerful and my sand is getting blown away. But overall, its a killer price for such equipment.

Just a heads up for those who would like to know the size....ITS HUGE! The diameter is around 4" and the length too.

The Codfather
04-10-2013, 04:39 AM
Got mine today too. Can't use the w1, w2, w3 or else because they are too powerful and my sand is getting blown away. But overall, its a killer price for such equipment.

Just a heads up for those who would like to know the size....ITS HUGE! The diameter is around 4" and the length too.

Its only 3 5/8", so not that much bigger than a tunze at 3 1/2".
Very comparable on size.

The Codfather
04-10-2013, 04:42 AM
Got mine today too. Can't use the w1, w2, w3 or else because they are too powerful and my sand is getting blown away.

True, I have both of mine on else in the display and its throwing all sorts of debris in the water column.

rhody605
04-10-2013, 04:45 AM
Bob. Do you plan on connecting them to your controller?

mrhasan
04-10-2013, 04:46 AM
True, I have both of mine on else in the display and its throwing all sorts of debris in the water column.

Yah. After turning it on, I realized how much debris my tank had lying around the rocks :P And the fishes were like HEY YOUUUUUU!

BTW anyone trying out variable power unit?

The Codfather
04-10-2013, 04:53 AM
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The Codfather
04-10-2013, 04:55 AM
Bob. Do you plan on connecting them to your controller?

Ya, I think I figured out a way, Im just getting a few things together.
Ill post up what I find and results, its going to be very similar to what I did with the eco pumps I bought.
I just have to do a bit more reading.

The Codfather
04-12-2013, 06:07 AM
Ok, parts should be here tomorrow. I have a rough schematic, this will eliminate the jeboa controller all together and the profilux should have total control. I hope.......
If all goes as planned I have plenty of pictures to help out any body else who wants to do this.

FishyFishy!
04-12-2013, 12:59 PM
Ok, parts should be here tomorrow. I have a rough schematic, this will eliminate the jeboa controller all together and the profilux should have total control. I hope.......
If all goes as planned I have plenty of pictures to help out any body else who wants to do this.

Can't wait to see this!

The Codfather
04-12-2013, 02:45 PM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk250/sac9665/WP-40ampWP-25_zps8554dd28.jpg

Heres a picture for size comparison, should be available by months end. I think the pricing will be around $50/each.
Just so you know the prices of the WP40 have actually gone down.
Good news for everyone as far as Im concerned, affordable powerheads with the ability of wave generation or full control with a controller.

The Codfather
04-12-2013, 03:00 PM
http://youtu.be/fYc1hZy5iV0

mrhasan
04-12-2013, 03:03 PM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk250/sac9665/WP-40ampWP-25_zps8554dd28.jpg

Heres a picture for size comparison, should be available by months end. I think the pricing will be around $50/each.
Just so you know the prices of the WP40 have actually gone down.
Good news for everyone as far as Im concerned, affordable powerheads with the ability of wave generation or full control with a controller.

It looks so tiny LOL.

I don't think it will be around $50 but much more less. I am sticking to something like $20-$30 since they are going to be 3000LPH (around 800gph) powerheads. A $50 won't sell it. The wp40 itself is market at $40 at jebao; the sellers are taking advantage of it :P

The Codfather
04-12-2013, 03:07 PM
It looks so tiny LOL.

I don't think it will be around $50 but much more less. I am sticking to something like $20-$30 since they are going to be 3000LPH (around 800gph) powerheads. A $50 won't sell it. The wp40 itself is market at $40 at jebao; the sellers are taking advantage of it :P

Ya, im thinking $50 shipped, sorry.

mrhasan
04-12-2013, 03:08 PM
Ya, im thinking $50 shipped, sorry.

Oh that makes sense :mrgreen:

rhody605
04-12-2013, 04:16 PM
Looks like Fish-street dropped their price of the wp-40 by $10. Prob so with the voltage selector they sell now the total would be same price as before.

mrhasan
04-12-2013, 05:42 PM
OOOOOOOOO I can already feel the strong breeze of words coming from brand lovers ;)

globaldesigns
04-12-2013, 06:02 PM
So do any Calgary LFS's have these, or are bringing them in?

mrhasan
04-12-2013, 06:05 PM
So do any Calgary LFS's have these, or are bringing them in?

I don't think any LFS will be bringing these any time soon. These things are so cheap that the overhead cost of the shop won't justify selling this (atleast that's what I am guessing). Maybe this is the reason every LFS sells vortex and not koralias ;)

Treebeard
04-12-2013, 06:50 PM
For those who bought these, how long did delivery take? I ordered one from Fish Street last week.

The Codfather
04-12-2013, 08:12 PM
9 days. no tracking number or anything, they just showed up.
Well packed, no damage.

Ram3500
04-12-2013, 08:45 PM
You guys sucked me in . I started reading this thread and next thing I knew my wife was asking me what did you just order ? Total compulsive buy . Should work nicely alongside my tunze nano wave box tho:redface:

mikepclo
04-12-2013, 09:40 PM
You guys sucked me in . I started reading this thread and next thing I knew my wife was asking me what did you just order ? Total compulsive buy . Should work nicely alongside my tunze nano wave box tho:redface:

Just ordered a pair myself, we should of started a group buy :mrgreen:

mrhasan
04-12-2013, 11:45 PM
I am pretty sure jebao is earning more than ecotec by selling this :P People who couldn't afford fancy wave makers are now being able to afford one. :)

The Codfather
04-13-2013, 04:38 AM
Ok, wired into profilux.
I have full control, very nice indeed.
Ill have pics up in a bit, just playing around with them right now.

The Codfather
04-13-2013, 05:28 AM
If anybody wants, I could probably build you a harness.
You need a controller with a 1-10v or 1-5v interface.
RA, Apex, profilux etc..

Jason McK
04-13-2013, 05:35 AM
Hey Codfather, Would love to hear how you connected it to the Profilux

Thanks
J

The Codfather
04-13-2013, 05:38 AM
Hey Codfather, Would love to hear how you connected it to the Profilux

Thanks
J

J,
Ill clean everything up and draw a nice schematic.
It was quit easy with the help of a few guys from RC and RA.

The Codfather
04-13-2013, 05:47 AM
My wife just asked me why I buy brand new things and cut them up.
Followed by a "Are you totally retarded?"
Didnt even have an answer for her.......
She doesnt get the "its now cooler" part of this.

Jason McK
04-13-2013, 06:36 AM
My wife just asked me why I buy brand new things and cut them up.
Followed by a "Are you totally retarded?"
Didnt even have an answer for her.......
She doesnt get the "its now cooler" part of this.


LOL That's awsome:lol:

The Codfather
04-13-2013, 07:39 PM
First step was to wire the EVG card.
With this, the option to wire both AC/DC adapters are there so why not.
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0672_zpscdb64b95.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0672_zpscdb64b95.jpg.html)

The Codfather
04-13-2013, 07:42 PM
Tapped out a 4x4x4 box to keep everything together.
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0680_zps46e684ab.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0680_zps46e684ab.jpg.html)

The Codfather
04-13-2013, 07:45 PM
Disassemble jeboa control and steal whats needed inside.
Being careful to label the wires coming off the boards.
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0675-1_zps1549de90.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0675-1_zps1549de90.jpg.html)
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0676_zps03710dc4.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0676_zps03710dc4.jpg.html)
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0677_zps581c2108.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0677_zps581c2108.jpg.html)
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0678_zps451fac67.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0678_zps451fac67.jpg.html)

Discard of old controller as we will no longer be needing that....
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0679_zpsa4a415de.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0679_zpsa4a415de.jpg.html)

The Codfather
04-13-2013, 07:48 PM
Wiring schematic to come, i just have to draw it up.
Here is a picture of the completed box, I wired the AC/DC adapter external because of heat given off.
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0682_zpsa2d8e448.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0682_zpsa2d8e448.jpg.html)
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0683_zpsce2bddb8.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0683_zpsce2bddb8.jpg.html)

And here it is mounted under the tank.
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0685_zpsdcda2b52.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0685_zpsdcda2b52.jpg.html)

The Codfather
04-13-2013, 08:00 PM
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0687_zps77a04d92.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0687_zps77a04d92.jpg.html)
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0688_zps568abc35.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0688_zps568abc35.jpg.html)

Jason McK
04-13-2013, 09:45 PM
Very nicely done. I'd have to say I'm not sure I could pull that off. But I might have to give it a try.
Where do you source all your parts?

The Codfather
04-13-2013, 11:30 PM
J,
It's easy, I got everything from Rona except the EVG card.
I'll get that wiring diagram up and a few more pics just so you can see it a bit better.

FishyFishy!
04-14-2013, 12:23 AM
J,
It's easy, I got everything from Rona except the EVG card.
I'll get that wiring diagram up and a few more pics just so you can see it a bit better.


You are part Codfather and part Godfather!!!!

Thanks a ton for the writeup. I am going to do this when I get my controller for sure!

The Codfather
04-14-2013, 06:06 AM
Just a reminder that the signal is 1-5volt. so knock it down.
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/IMG_0690_zps1b556d94.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/IMG_0690_zps1b556d94.jpg.html)

The Codfather
04-14-2013, 06:07 AM
You are part Codfather and part Godfather!!!!

Thanks a ton for the writeup. I am going to do this when I get my controller for sure!

Your welcome, lmk if you need a hand with anything.

The Codfather
04-14-2013, 07:03 AM
Ok, ya I know its not pretty, but you get the hint.
First of all, do not go by wire colour.....
both controllers had different colour wire inside the controller
First one to laugh gets it........
Just trying to keep it simple.

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt252/codfather_2009/1c4d5548-3b1f-4887-a140-b971d94ddd95_zps953ad83a.jpg (http://s617.photobucket.com/user/codfather_2009/media/1c4d5548-3b1f-4887-a140-b971d94ddd95_zps953ad83a.jpg.html)

Edmonton newbie
04-14-2013, 05:10 PM
ok so if i laugh you going to bring it to my tank?? well who doesnt need a new wave maker lmao :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The Codfather
04-14-2013, 07:13 PM
ok so if i laugh you going to bring it to my tank?? well who doesnt need a new wave maker lmao :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

How big's your tank?
I'm sure you've heard the expression "swimmin' with the fishes"
Don't make me come over there......lol

maron6977
04-14-2013, 07:19 PM
Nice job , your a little over my head with what the controller can do . Can you explain : programs , set times , pump speeds or run preset programs ?
Thanks Mark

maron6977
04-14-2013, 07:20 PM
Oh , & Approx. how much is the controller ?

The Codfather
04-14-2013, 07:45 PM
Oh , & Approx. how much is the controller ?

I have a profilux controller, so the programming is through it.
Dont get me wrong, the controller that came with the pump can do a lot by itself.
Depending on what you want, this can be done through most controllers, apex, RA, profilux, etc etc

halwake
04-14-2013, 07:46 PM
So everyone that bought them has been fairly happy? I am looking at getting 2 for my new 120 build. Can't justify spending 4x more for the name brand pumps.

The Codfather
04-14-2013, 07:53 PM
So everyone that bought them has been fairly happy? I am looking at getting 2 for my new 120 build. Can't justify spending 4x more for the name brand pumps.

Over all yes. Im quite surprised on how well these work, even more so now that I have full control. I suggest you spend the extra $10 and get the other AC/DC adapter that you can step down, you'd be surprised at how much water these can move.

maron6977
04-14-2013, 08:05 PM
+1 . Too much flow . I need more control on my 4' 120g. I ordered 1 more pump & 2 voltage regs.

halwake
04-14-2013, 08:22 PM
You bet, I was planning on getting the voltage regulators to bump them down. Have a 5' tank and listening to everyones comments sounds like the pumps are a bit much at full power. Thanks guys.

scubadawg
04-15-2013, 03:03 AM
I have been in contact with a local LFS here in Edmonton

He will ordering in 200 - WP40's and 400 WP25's and the controllers for these, his price will be close or the same as Fish Street. Wil confirm pricing tomorrow and expected delivery date.

Edmonton newbie
04-15-2013, 03:14 AM
How big's your tank?
I'm sure you've heard the expression "swimmin' with the fishes"
Don't make me come over there......lol

lol couple small ones now but i do have dochs old 160 landing here thursday that should keep the fishes swimmin

scubadawg
04-15-2013, 08:26 PM
Here's an update

Mods, please do not delete, I know Aquagiant is not a Sponsor on this site, but it's either support our LFS or order overseas.

Aquagiant will be carrying the WP40 and WP25 and the variable voltage controllers

WP 25 will not be available until late May

Jaboa needs 20 days to manufacture and they need 5 days to ship, during this time it there is also a 7 days holiday in China ( international labor day), which means, if everything is okay Aquagiant will get them in a month, too late.

Aquagiant has ordered 30 - WP40's to arrive in a week approximately, if you want one, come down and pre-order. $85.00

Aquagiant will also be doing the warranty locally

mikepclo
04-22-2013, 11:49 PM
Just got mine today and 1 of the controllers doesn't work. :cry:
Upside is shipping only took 5 business days from HK and he sent me 4 extra light sensors for free.

mikepclo
04-23-2013, 03:12 AM
Eric from fishstreet is sending me a new controller today. Great service :mrgreen:

Did a quick test and pump are almost silent. Much much quieter than my mp40s

maron6977
05-28-2013, 07:45 AM
I've had my wp40 for a few weeks now & really liked it so far . I'm still trying to dial in the flow I like & corals are at their happiest ! The light sensor worked quite well in the beginning - I taped the controllers on the side of the tank so direct LED wouldn't damage the sensor but still get enough light to activate it . It worked great for a couple weeks then all of a sudden I noticed when going to bed the pumps were running in reg. mode & not night mode . I thought I had damaged the sensor already , thought that was odd considering it wasn't in direct light , and swapped it out with a new one . They were still acting up at strange times - late at night , when going to bed but by morning when the lights were starting to ramp up & turn on , they worked properly . I finally figured it out , my lunar lights turn off for approx. 1 week a month & the sensor needs dim light to go into & stay in night mode . It was the light from the TV that kept it in night mode before I went to bed , but after 15 min of turning it off , it would go back to reg. mode . It won't stay in night mode when completely dark !
So something to keep in mind when placing the controller !!!

daplatapus
07-13-2013, 07:39 PM
Just stuck 2 of these into a friends tank last night and I'll bet they're noisier than my MP40's. Is that normal? You can definitely hear them ramping up and down.

nrosdal
07-13-2013, 08:25 PM
You will be able to hear it ramp up and down especially when they first go in. I have hada couple different ones running and one was silent from the start and the other was actually quite loud. After a week or2 it is silent you can still hear if you run at max and go right beside it. But after break in it is similar to a tunze sound where you can hear if you try and no longer like a mp where you cant ignore the sound.

Reef Pilot
07-27-2013, 04:57 PM
I recently added one of my new WP40's to my 6' 100g tank, in the same spot where I had a Coralife DC5800 (2900gph) running. It seems to make pretty similar flow, and about the same sound (when ramping up and down), pretty quiet actually.

I moved the Coralife to the back, so have 2 high flow pumps now on that side of the tank. My SPS on that side should be pretty happy. On the other side, also want to add a WP40 and move the other DC5800 to the back. But will have to trim/reposition some LPS (frogspawn and bubble corals) first, so they don't get blasted with any direct flow.

The light sensor on the WP40 controller works well, and powers down at night, even with my moon light, just like my Coralife pumps. So that is good. I like the feed button on the WP40, as it shuts the pump right off for 10 min. The feed button on the Coralife shuts the pumps down to low power (same as night) for 30 min, which is really too long.

The controller on the DC5800 has more variance on the time settings for the turbulent flow than the WP40. But the combo of the two different types of pumps works out well.

I paid $215 USD for the Coralife DC5800 (2 pumps with controller) last year (comes with lifetime warranty), but with the group buy, the WP40s are still cheaper. Anyway, the WP40 looks like a good pump, and will see how they are in the long run.

ponokareefer
07-27-2013, 06:44 PM
I can't believe you can get high flow controllable pumps for so cheap now. I just about picked up a Ecotech a few years ago, but the cost was just too much. For whatever reason, my Koralia 3's from 7 years ago are still running great off my Seio controller, but it's nice to know that there is a cheap option when they stop.