Just a rant nothing major....

[Dearth]

I've been in the SW hobby for about 9 months now and have had some interesting chats with various SW hobbyists. At one time I was on 5 different forums learning what I could and found out real fast that all hobbyists are not created equal and it includes this forum as well. It's one of the reasons I no longer visit any other forum as this one seems to be the most tolerant one.

I've met some hobbyists face to face and talked with several in private chats and their responses to me being in the hobby with a nano tank has been wide and varied. Some have greeted me with enthusiasm and offered me no end of help while others wouldn't give me the time of day cause I run a nano tank.

I have met many who were willing to give me advice as long as I did it their way and if I refused or said I'm doing it this way those people will no longer talk to me. Then there are the ones that feel I should learn as they did by trial and error and shelling out countless thousands of dollars to learn from my mistakes at the same time are willing to offer smidgins of advice.

Then my personal favourites the ones that despise the hobbyists that run nano tanks it doesn't matter how nice your nano is they won't talk to you because your not a true hobbyist in their eyes and in their eyes guys like me are ruining the hobby.

So it can make it nerve wracking when you want to ask or show your tank because you never know how you will be received and there are many experienced hobbyists with many many years of hobby experience that tend to forget that they were once a newbie too and maybe didn't have the guidance of the forums or other hobbyists to set up and run your tank.

Yes it can get old hearing over and over the same questions about algae, diatom blooms and aiptasia but then that is why people come to the forums to learn. Maybe a FAQ forum should be posted for questions such as these. IE. I have seen many newbies ask about diatom blooms the standard answer is just wait for the bloom to mature...well it really doesn't answer the question and there is no standard answer but it helps to know it can take 3 days to 2 months to bloom. Stuff like that.

Ok I'm done feel free to flame rant or ignore

[sphelps]

I've not aware of anyone that discriminates against nano tanks. That makes zero sense, who are these people?

[mrhasan]

I've not aware of anyone that discriminates against nano tanks. That makes zero sense, who are these people?

There are some who would be like "huh nano? You must be kidding!". Maybe that's why there's a forum dedicated to nanos so that they dont feel the horror of such remarks.

But yah, in the end, Canreef is much more nano-friendly. :)

[lockrookie]

It can be frustrating I agree but most mean well. I think everyone's Experiance in the hobby carries so much that in itself is hard to give straight answers. Not all systems are the same. I'm sorry you have had a tough time of it. I've been in the hobby 3 years now and by no means follow the rule book as some lay out infront of me. But it works for me and I seem to keep thing's alive for the most part save for some corals.

It would be cool to have a FAQ page but even that will come under scrutiny and most new ppl wouldn't even know its there unless pointed to it. My advice my friend is breath relax its your tank take everything wih a grain of salt but don't write off all the advice most is good and has worked for the one whom posted it. Personally I take ppls advise and try to achieve something in between. Try everything once and the fun things twice sort of speak. Also I try to avoid public posting of my answers of how I do things. Keeps me out of the furring squad lol

[ScubaSteve]

Ya, I've come across that too (less so around here). It's annoying but I just ignore them. Those people aren't worth your time.

Personally I think that nanos require even more knowledge and hands on work than the big kid systems, so I think more respect is due for those that go this route; especially those that achieve gorgeous looking nanos. I am currently growing SPS like weeds in a skimmerless, LED-modded biocube faster than many of the big guys grow them in their big fancy systems. I can tell you it has taken every ounce of knowledge and experience I have to pull it off and it's way more work than my big tank. Funny thing is: when I told someone about my tank recently they didn't take me seriously because I said I was doing this in a biocube. QQLF?

[Dearth]

I just met a guy in Grande Prairie last week at Petsmart he found out I was a SW hobbyist so we started talking he has a 190 gallon tank and when I told him I ran a33 gallon tank he outright told me "I wasn't a real hobbyist and said it was guys like me that were ruining the hobby" and promptly walked away not saying another word to me

[sphelps]

But we all have nano tanks.... it's just perspective. Who comes up with the logic of what size is OK and what size is not? And what's it based on?

[mrhasan]

I just met a guy in Grande Prairie last week at Petsmart he found out I was a SW hobbyist so we started talking he has a 190 gallon tank and when I told him I ran a33 gallon tank he outright told me "I wasn't a real hobbyist and said it was guys like me that were ruining the hobby" and promptly walked away not saying another word to me

Not everyone has the money to spend on a bigger tank....some people just don't get it. Or maybe they suffer from inferiority complex since nanos can achieve similar level of awesomeness to that of big tanks. I believe its all about husbandry in the end than just how big is you tank.

[Dearth]

I don't generally let stuff said on a forum bother me Christ try reading a gaming forum it's like dealing with 10000 5 yr olds. But while Canreef has been very helpful other forums like Reef central and American aquarist it can turn nasty real quick. It is also very tough to convey what your saying too because SW is very much visual and it gets frustrating very fast both for the newb and the one(s) trying to help especially if your trying to do it with no pictures.

[Coralgurl]

I've been on different forums as well, some I posted on, others I just created an account so that I could read the posts. I don't care for some of the US based sites, whether its SW or cars or whatever, I just find Americans have a completely different mindset on numerous things and I'm not very tolerant. These sites are full of useful information however so I just ignore the useless chatter.

I do find the crowd here for the most part to be quite awesome. I'm not sure what issues you are finding because you run a nano tank, I think they are amazing little systems, challenging for different reasons, but do the same thing any other size tank does and that's bring a bit of the ocean to your home for YOUR enjoyment, regardless of size.

Everyone here has different experiences in this hobby, therefore will have different opinions. Put those opinions on the internet, behind a computer screen and personalities will clash. Take what you want and leave the rest. If it doesn't work, move on to the next.

Hopefully you find your groove, your tank is still young and will likely continue to have its quirks for a bit. Hang in there!

[jorjef]

This hobby if full of prejudice!! from the corals you keep, to the equipment you use, to the size of your tank...it's hilarious, way too much hot air blows around. That guy that said you are ruining the hobby because you have a nano tank is well..... unno lol kind of speechless to even come up with anything....

[sphelps]

I just met a guy in Grande Prairie last week at Petsmart he found out I was a SW hobbyist so we started talking he has a 190 gallon tank and when I told him I ran a33 gallon tank he outright told me "I wasn't a real hobbyist and said it was guys like me that were ruining the hobby" and promptly walked away not saying another word to me

Hilarious, if he said that to me I would have got him fired. Realistically I wouldn't take anything that comes from a Petsmart employee seriously.

[Dearth]

He wasn't a Petsmart employee just a customer there

[miuYH]

I never knew nano tanks were disregarded in this hobby?
Mind blown...

[sphelps]

He wasn't a Petsmart employee just a customer there

IC, meh still lives in GP :lol:

[mrhasan]

He wasn't a Petsmart employee just a customer there

Now I am very curious what he would say when he hears about my system. He might sue me :surprise:

[spit.fire]

Quick question

What sizes are considered a nano?

I've got a 2g macro algae tank with all my hitchhiker crabs

I'd that a nano? Or a pico?

Is my 29 biocube a nano?

[Dearth]

Quick question

What sizes are considered a nano?

I've got a 2g macro algae tank with all my hitchhiker crabs

I'd that a nano? Or a pico?

Is my 29 biocube a nano?

Generally anything under a 45 gallon is considered nano not a hard rule but generally accepted as such.

[mrhasan]

Quick question

What sizes are considered a nano?

I've got a 2g macro algae tank with all my hitchhiker crabs

I'd that a nano? Or a pico?

Is my 29 biocube a nano?

2g macro algae tank?! PHUFFF! The OP ruins the hobby and you are just wasting good salts for keeping macros! MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!


:lol:

[sphelps]

a nano is simply one billionth of something else. According to the U.S. Geological Survey the ocean is 36,614,237,300,000,000,000,000 gallons. So I'd say a nano tank is in the range of 36,614,237,300,000 gallons or less.

[mrhasan]

a nano is simply one billionth of something else. According to the U.S. Geological Survey the ocean is 36,614,237,300,000,000,000,000 gallons. So I'd say a nano tank is in the range of 36,614,237,300,000 gallons or less.

:rofl2:

Myth busted! Everyone has a nano tank!

[Delphinus]

It's a hobby, it's supposed to be fun, if it isn't then something isn't being done right...

[Aquattro]

I've got a 180 jam packed full of SPS. It's a PITA sometimes, and if anything ever goes wrong, I'm going to go with a nano with a single colony. Already have it planned out :)

[fishoholic]

I've not aware of anyone that discriminates against nano tanks. That makes zero sense, who are these people?

I've heard Reef Central is bad for it.

I just met a guy in Grande Prairie last week at Petsmart he found out I was a SW hobbyist so we started talking he has a 190 gallon tank and when I told him I ran a33 gallon tank he outright told me "I wasn't a real hobbyist and said it was guys like me that were ruining the hobby" and promptly walked away not saying another word to me

:eek: OMG that is awful :sad:

It's a hobby, it's supposed to be fun, if it isn't then something isn't being done right...

Well said Tony +1

I have two 230g's, a 80g, 34g and a 2.5g. Out of all of those I like my 2.5g the best, it's way easier to maintain then the other ones, and still very pretty and interesting to look at :biggrin:

[lastlight]

you might ruin the hobby with a nano (not!) but you can certainly ruin a marriage or basement with a large tank :biggrin: i'm still digging my way out of the rubble haha.

[kien]

Let's face it, there are a lot of close minded people in this hobby. Heck, in this world! Simply keep calm and carry on :biggrin:

[mrhasan]

Let's face it, there are a lot of close minded people in this hobby. Heck, in this world! Simply keep calm and carry on :biggrin:

They don't consider this as hobby......something more ;)

[lockrookie]

I know really what's wrong with a unicorn tang in a 35g geeez. Don let other ppl get you down yes the guy may or may not have a huge tank but maybe he is over compensating for other short comings :)

[Proteus]

I had my big tank. But really it was more than I wanted. My little cube is packed with sticks and I love it.

[The Grizz]

Don't worry about the jerks there are tons of them out there. I have a 15 gal nano & no one talks to me either :lol:

Personally, if it was me that ran into the arse in PetSmart he would have received some very choice words & depending on my mood...... possibly more.

Besides.......Nano's can be more of a chalange to keep with there small water volume, when things go wrong it can happen really fast.

[Seriak]

Bah! Nano. Over 500 gallons it's not worth my time. ;)

[11purewater]

what's not worth your time ,lost in translation?:biggrin:

[SteveConn]

Some people dont have the space or are not allowed due to condo rules etc... I pushed my luck with my spouse and condo by upgrading my nano to a larger tank. It doesnt diminish your interest just because you have a smaller tank!

[toytech]

my 15 gal was way more of a challenge then my 50 , i had a mandarin in the 15 and told no one for fear of the landslide of hate. It all comes down to a bigger is better mindset , bigger tank , bigger truck , bigger um , well ,you know :redface:,has got to be the best but thats not true . But you cant rub a small sized tank in anyones face and say im better than you so they dont bother.

[Reef Pilot]

I have seen some beautiful nanos here on Canreef. With all my new little stick frags spread out in my 100g, makes me think I should have put them in a nano first. At least then I would have a tank that doesn't look so empty, and maybe have a decent FTS.

[whatcaneyedo]

I've been in the SW hobby for about 9 months now and have had some interesting chats with various SW hobbyists. At one time I was on 5 different forums learning what I could and found out real fast that all hobbyists are not created equal and it includes this forum as well. It's one of the reasons I no longer visit any other forum as this one seems to be the most tolerant one.

I've met some hobbyists face to face and talked with several in private chats and their responses to me being in the hobby with a nano tank has been wide and varied. Some have greeted me with enthusiasm and offered me no end of help while others wouldn't give me the time of day cause I run a nano tank.

I have met many who were willing to give me advice as long as I did it their way and if I refused or said I'm doing it this way those people will no longer talk to me. Then there are the ones that feel I should learn as they did by trial and error and shelling out countless thousands of dollars to learn from my mistakes at the same time are willing to offer smidgins of advice.

Then my personal favourites the ones that despise the hobbyists that run nano tanks it doesn't matter how nice your nano is they won't talk to you because your not a true hobbyist in their eyes and in their eyes guys like me are ruining the hobby.

So it can make it nerve wracking when you want to ask or show your tank because you never know how you will be received and there are many experienced hobbyists with many many years of hobby experience that tend to forget that they were once a newbie too and maybe didn't have the guidance of the forums or other hobbyists to set up and run your tank.

Yes it can get old hearing over and over the same questions about algae, diatom blooms and aiptasia but then that is why people come to the forums to learn. Maybe a FAQ forum should be posted for questions such as these. IE. I have seen many newbies ask about diatom blooms the standard answer is just wait for the bloom to mature...well it really doesn't answer the question and there is no standard answer but it helps to know it can take 3 days to 2 months to bloom. Stuff like that.

Ok I'm done feel free to flame rant or ignore

So... how come we didn't see you at any of the PG Reef Tank Tour showings? Do you work Sundays? Staffan, Doug, George, Craig, myself and everyone else on the 40 person emailing list are all very receptive to meeting new people and sharing our experiences and advice (plus you get to see some tanks in person).

A good introductory book would answer a lot of questions that new people ask before they ask them. But books are long, boring and expensive whereas internet answers are short, lively and free so I guess that wont ever change. The search function works well too.

I too have created accounts on RC, Ultimate Reef, Reef Frontiers, TGVAS, BCAquaria etc. But its pretty much the same everywhere. Canreef has the advantage of being local/national, relevant and just active enough.

Some people on here have nanos with more gadgetry, that are more expensive and contain more specimens than the average persons +100gal system. Their basic requirements are no differen't than a large tank. In some ways they are actually more difficult to keep.

[Reef_Geek]

Nanos? I hate nanos. We don't need no stinking nanos.

They're all like... entering your robot's head by the thousands and wiping out your robot's internal circuits...

oh wait, that's nanites. I hate nanites. Nanos are ok.

[Madreefer]

So... how come we didn't see you at any of the PG Reef Tank Tour showings? Do you work Sundays? Staffan, Doug, George, Craig, myself and everyone else on the 40 person emailing list are all very receptive to meeting new people and sharing our experiences and advice (plus you get to see some tanks in person).

Geez Russel. Your pretty harsh. How could you leave me out?:cry::cry:

But all kidding aside. Dean you should put your tank on the tour. You left my house with a huge amount of frags as well as colonies. Its been since before the snow landed. I'd like to check your tank out. Im hoping everything has flourished. It's a pretty good knowledgeable bunch of guys that like to help. The more contacts in this town the better. One tip though. That plastic piece that comes with your heater is just for packing.

[whatcaneyedo]

I was just listing the people who featured their tanks this year and also you did sort of miss most of them. :sad:

Tyler your advice is good too. (in case you see this and feel left out). :biggrin:

[Ken]

Dearth, you can come over on the island and talk to me, I love all types of aquariums, I don't discriminate any sizes shapes or forms or color, I love them all, I learn from you, me and anybody, doesn't matter what type of system or setup you have, as long as the end results that the livestock thrives. I'm excited to hear of hobbyist's dream aquariums whether big or nano, people who don't think like the majority of us here are better off sitting at home and staring at their own tanks, here I like to share knowledge and learn from others as well, all welcome. There is no right or wrong way to setup an aquarium, people who have passion about their own aquariums are also passionate about others, I know I am. Hope that pep talk will inspire you to be proud of your aquarium. Regards Ken

[zum14]

I was just listing the people who featured their tanks this year and also you did sort of miss most of them. :sad:

Tyler your advice is good too. (in case you see this and feel left out). :biggrin:


Hahahaha naw. I agree that each tank large or small has its own challenges. They are all expensive though. Weird how that works.

[paddyob]

I've not aware of anyone that discriminates against nano tanks. That makes zero sense, who are these people?

I too have never heard this before. I ran nano for years and can't count those who helped out.

Are you sure it's not a personality conflict ?

[Dearth]

So... how come we didn't see you at any of the PG Reef Tank Tour showings? Do you work Sundays? Staffan, Doug, George, Craig, myself and everyone else on the 40 person emailing list are all very receptive to meeting new people and sharing our experiences and advice (plus you get to see some tanks in person). .

I would like to see them but my work and personal life schedule have been getting in the way and because I work shift and days off change every week gets a lil more challenging

A good introductory book would answer a lot of questions that new people ask before they ask them. But books are long, boring and expensive whereas internet answers are short, lively and free so I guess that wont ever change. The search function works well too.

I work with Shaun and he was the dope that got me into this and he gave me lots of literature which helped immensely and I did lots of reading on the net and getting keyboard face and tried not to ask the same questions as every other person has:biggrin: and unfortunately have had a rough start temp hand paralylis, partial tank kill,PITA cats and a few other things but the good news or sad news depending on how look at it is I'm hooked on SW

I too have created accounts on RC, Ultimate Reef, Reef Frontiers, TGVAS, BCAquaria etc. But its pretty much the same everywhere. Canreef has the advantage of being local/national, relevant and just active enough.

As I said I joined several forum sites to learn and before canreef I was on reef central and American Aquarists(that site is now down) and both flamed nano systems a lot then I joined Canreef and nano-reef both have helped me lots but found nano-reef to be very american do it my way or else still visit but never post

Some people on here have nanos with more gadgetry, that are more expensive and contain more specimens than the average persons +100gal system. Their basic requirements are no differen't than a large tank. In some ways they are actually more difficult to keep

Aye and very impressive to boot only wish my tank could look half as impressive but for a first time setup I think I've done ok but I am probably going to be upgrading soonish to a 90 gallon and a whole new learning experience sumps/plumbing,overflows, new gadgets and tons of crying over an empty wallet

[Dearth]

But all kidding aside. Dean you should put your tank on the tour. You left my house with a huge amount of frags as well as colonies. Its been since before the snow landed. I'd like to check your tank out. Im hoping everything has flourished.


Out of the 9 colonies and frags I got 2 died soon after putting into my tank and the other 7 are doing fair to extremely well(frogspawn and hammer coral are getting friggen huge). I got 5 coral from aiptasia central(total pet) and 3 died from my partial tank melt down the other 2(Red and Green brain and purple xenia) are doing extremely well.

[JmeJReefer]

I run nanos. Much more challenging! Wish I could jump into a "big boy" tank but not financially feasible. It's all about preference and realistic goals for your tank. Simple setups but have had zero coral fatalities, and by god, they r fun!

[reefwars]

Thing about RC is their huge, your gonna get yay's and nay's for random reasons, with that said there is a nano forumn and ime is pretty active with experience reefers. As far as keeping nanos is concerned I had more in my 25g then most in a tank 10 times its size and a lot of my coral and fish are for expert or advanced reefers.

Its not the size of the canvas the artist uses that makes the piece its how yje artist displays their gift, at the end of the day a piece of art is a piece of art.