150g drop down L reef tank

[Salt2Death]

So a big move across Alberta, new house in a new town means.... You guessed it "New Tank!"

Not so fast- not so simple as a cube, bow front, rectangle or nano...

We decided to build an L shape tank for our newest tank. We seen a few L tanks in the past but decided to change that up to. Instead of on it's side we decided "let's drop it down!". One tank, two depths with out a wall to split em apart. "WoW," my wife loves the idea and lucky for me she is arms deep in it as well as me! Now we had to find a builder.... Lucky for me in Edmonton I find a pure glass artist, Neil (Glassdude). We passed some conversations, ideas, and BAM we decide to go all in at it.....
I'll post pics as we go further into this and what I chose to use for equipment along this build....


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[Salt2Death]

Starting the stand for out endeavor 9974997599769977


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[Aquattro]

Looks like it's going to be an interesting build!!

[cuz]

Looks great!!
Puts the pressure on the tank builder to be 100% accurate having the stand built already!!

[Salt2Death]

Now we wait on Neil to work his magic!
He called and said the tempering bust two sides so he was Cut'n new ones and getting them tempered ASAP!
(That guy goes all out for his customers, never lets you down and goes the extra mile!)
For now we work on the Sump room, under the stairs, small but way more space than under a the tank. 99789979

Two 150 phosban reactors, (carbon/phosphate media)
Vertex 250 in dump
Mag 24 return pump
2 x 4" filter socks
Refuge (still deciding on algae or rock chunks.... open to ideas)



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[Salt2Death]

Looks great!!
Puts the pressure on the tank builder to be 100% accurate having the stand built already!!

Ha Ha Ha, it's 6" longer both sides to compensate and in case a hight difference the top is not in yet. I have all the faith in the world in Neil lol!

Thanx for the compliment, we are building it all ourselves 100% (outside the tank)


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[riceboy]

Love the idea to make that at the entrance, i might have to steal that idea lol

[Salt2Death]

Ha Ha Ha, figured if your going to show case a beautiful aquarium why hide it in the basement!
And let's be honest, who doesn't enjoy showing off their aquarium.


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[chris88]

The molding looks awesome!

[Acipenser]

You tease us with this - I cant wait !

[Seriak]

Did you have to reinforce the floor underneath it?

[Salt2Death]

Main Beam Runs Under It....
That's another reason I picked the stairwell. It's an outside wall with a cross beam right along it!
(good catch)

[subman]

Love this idea! Neil built my tank and I couldn't be happier. Tagging along, can't wait to see more!

[Salt2Death]

Neil has Been Amazing!
(I hope this drums up more business for him, he deserves every bit!)
Here is what he built me last-->
90g
36x24x24 internal overflow
Euro braced
998099819982


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[mataconda]

http://winnipegfishforum.info/forum/index.php?topic=39534.0

Here is fairly well detailed build from the winnipeg site. Hope it helps a little.

[gridley]

This is s looking very interesting! You have some great ideas. I see you are in Whitecourt - We moved from there to Calgary 6 years ago - hope you enjoy Whitecourt as much as we did.

[Salt2Death]

Was there anyone else here into this OCD hobby?


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[gridley]

Was there anyone else here into this OCD hobby?


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Although we have had a very long interest in the hobby, we didn't start until this spring. However, I never met anyone in Wct with more than a freshwater system.

[Salt2Death]

Although we have had a very long interest in the hobby, we didn't start until this spring. However, I never met anyone in Wct with more than a freshwater system.

Oh well, thank you anyway!!



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[gregzz4]

http://winnipegfishforum.info/forum/index.php?topic=39534.0

Here is fairly well detailed build from the winnipeg site. Hope it helps a little.
That one is on here ....

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=80379

[Salt2Death]

Unlike that- we are building an "L"/ not a box with baffles and hiding it with the stand.....
Sorry but that's no drop down, that is a cop out. After the HARD WORK Neil has poured into this tank even I'm kinda drawn back by that "smoke and mirrors set-up"

It's nice, but it's just a box with a box inside....


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[gregzz4]

I wasn't comparing yours with their's, just pointing out that it's on Canreef

Tell Neil to hurry up already :smile:

[Salt2Death]

I get you, I just overly want to stress in all this build that Neil has gone to lengths up and beyond. He has had 2 huge pieces get damaged by the temper furnace operators. Then all hours rushed back to cut the two 1/2 think "L's" to get us back on track.
I just want to give him that glory for his perfectionistic quality and pure attention to detail! Guy is an Artist!
(he said it will be ready for pick up on Monday.... Here's hoping no more hiccups!)


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[noirsphynx]

This is going to be an awesome build, can't wait to see it done.

PS - your house is identical to mine from the pics(even the view out the window is the same, lol) and I have a tank in the same spot but not as well thought out as yours. Knocking out that half wall would have been the way to go but I don't think my husband would have allowed it, lol.

[doch]

Holy crap Mike! How did you get that all done so quick!? Didn't you just leave the Mac last week? Looks like it's going to be awesome! What are you planning for powerheads/wavemakers? Lights... did you decide to go with the sols?

I know how good Neil's prices are (and how good his work is), but this build has got to be PRICEY!!! Should be well worth it though.

Something to consider... in/outside of your refugium, build an Algae Turf Scrubber (ATS). I plan on it, but haven't had the time. Thery're supposed to work VERY well for nutrient reduction. Run a google search on DIY ATS.

Good luck man!

[Salt2Death]

Thanx Johnny!

It cost much more than the last one, but Neil still is the best price and only one I'd trust to pull it together!

I'll put a list of what I have so far-



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[reefwars]

Unlike that- we are building an "L"/ not a box with baffles and hiding it with the stand.....
Sorry but that's no drop down, that is a cop out.



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whats the difference in the end??



heres another drop down tank i hope its to your "liking":mrgreen:

what your doing isnt new its just jumping on the band wagon that other people created.....ill drop back when the idea becomes origional


edit*** forgot the pic lol

http://glassbox-design.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/drop-off-lps-reef.jpg

[Salt2Death]

In the end- the difference is in my opinion like ATM's fake reef inserts in a reef tank I guess.

I'm really defending the pure hard work and craftsmanship Neil has to do to take on this build. An "L" is an "L" and a box in a box is just a box in a box I guess... Lol


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[reefwars]

In the end- the difference is in my opinion like ATM's fake reef inserts in a reef tank I guess.

I'm really defending the pure hard work and craftsmanship Neil has to do to take on this build. An "L" is an "L" and a box in a box is just a box in a box I guess... Lol


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sure ....and im just pointing out that your idea ...like the fakes you call it...is not your idea...or neils....sure neil does great work, but none the less this is an idea that has been done by lots and lots and lots of people...just go to RC and see.....


your build looks great but why post it if you dont want any feedback or ideas??? seems cocky and rude to me what you said earlier so ill give you the same courtesy back....sorry

[Salt2Death]

Yet another pic of a box in a box...
Ha Ha Ha
I guess it's still far more original than a cube or the same old rectangle with a few minor tweaks... LoL

I had all of those, we just thought the True Drop L might add some challenge and visual interests... Deep end softies.. Shallow SPS...

But I mean not to knock those tanks at all, anyone in salt is Grade A to me!


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[reefwars]

Yet another pic of a box in a box...
Ha Ha Ha
I guess it's still far more original than a cube or the same old rectangle with a few minor tweaks... LoL

I had all of those, we just thought the True Drop L might add some challenge and visual interests... Deep end softies.. Shallow SPS...

But I mean not to knock those tanks at all, anyone in salt is Grade A to me!


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have you been to RC?? theres literally dozens and dozens of them....im sure they are all fake boxes inside boxes ....gl with your build

[Salt2Death]

No, but I'll look- Maybe they have some plumbing fixes I foresee as issues...
Maybe some are not jut a box in a box. Lol. I'm positive there are some stunners there.

Thanx-


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[reefwars]

No, but I'll look- Maybe they have some plumbing fixes I foresee as issues...
Maybe some are not jut a box in a box. Lol. I'm positive there are some stunners there.

Thanx-


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there is for sure , im not rying to be an ass but you were basically calling someones hard work and effort a cop-out and a fake. in the end like you said, its all what you see, whether or not its a box in a box its still someones work in the end.


anyways gl and cheers:)

[sphelps]

I get what you're saying about trying to keep things a little more authentic but personally I don't see the point. If you build the stand properly there is no way you could tell the difference and you could seal that inner box to eliminate any dead water space. You're paying for the extra glass anyway and on top of that the extra time involved to build it. So for the extra money what exactly are you achieving? Well for one a stress point at the corner of the L which also happens to be the point where the highest bending stress occurs so really not a great combination. The other thing you've achieved is the task of making sure the stand step profile matches the tank perfectly, while perhaps not that difficult it's certainly no advantage. I think going box in box is better option all around, better structural integrity & cheaper.

Anyway love the build so far just didn't seem right IMO to call out other tanks as none drop offs.

[MarkoD]

Are you putting styrofoam under the tank? What if the deep and shallow ends don't compress the styrofoam equally? Won't it crack at the inside corner?

[Salt2Death]

We are going to match the stand 100% to the shape of the tank. Foam yes, even though on side is going to compress more- that's what the foam is there to do, even out the stress.

1" foam to redistribute the completion, let's inside sink deep than the other with out added stress!

(or so the math sez)

Fingers crossed!!!


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[Salt2Death]

Random Thought Hey.....
Today while looking into my make shift holding tank while our build continues- I noticed one of my Feather Dusters moved into a recently vacated large snail shell. Got to admit, I love the little guys ingenuity!



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[Salt2Death]

Lots of info...
Great detailed info!

Thanx guys


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[Salt2Death]

Today a dual 4" sock holder....
Tomorrow Baffles! http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/15/javyde4y.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/15/e5ada4a5.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/15/4uza6a5a.jpg


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[Salt2Death]

New pump Via FishyFishy! And delivered Via CodFather (Big thanx Guys!!!!!!!)

Amazing people on here for sure!
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Tank is getting picked up Friday from the "Master Of Glass!" (never a disaster!)
--------- NEIL! ----------

To excited for words!


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[Coralgurl]

Looking forward to seeing your glass box!!

I checked out some of these L tanks on RC, there's one a fellow by the name of Peter and Mr. Wilson did that is absolutely mind blowing. I think it was 1,350 gl dt, then all the support systems. Never in my life will I have or want a build like that, but that's the nice thing about this hobby, you can do what suits you, try something different and have something to enjoy "most" of the time for many years.

[Salt2Death]

Anyone ever incorporate a feeding tube into their return I
Line to the tank?? If so..... Ideas or pics would be great....!

Thanx

[sphelps]

Anyone ever incorporate a feeding tube into their return I
Line to the tank?? If so..... Ideas or pics would be great....!

Thanx

If you watch the show "Tanked" they did an episode which included installing a feeding tube into the return.

[Millepora_Maniac]

I can't wait to see this, tagging along...

[Salt2Death]

If you watch the show "Tanked" they did an episode which included installing a feeding tube into the return.

Yes I have and thank you-
Just was not as informative as I hoped it could be. Lol


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[MarkoD]

Why do you need a feeding tube?

Your tank will have access from the top, right?

[Salt2Death]

Why do you need a feeding tube?

Your tank will have access from the top, right?

........... yes but it's not an open top design. I wanted to incorporate one for the pure ease of feeding the fish from one location...
Simplicity- lol


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[Salt2Death]

Here She Is!
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And Then
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And Then ....http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/6uheru3u.jpg
Neil Deserves a Standing Ovation!


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[WindowMaker]

Im curious to know how much the tank set you back. Its my new goal in life to own a drop off tank

[Dive_dry]

on RC Aqua Dave installed one in the large tank area

[chris88]

Can it support the pressure without a brace of some sort.

[Salt2Death]

Can it support the pressure without a brace of some sort.

It's getting a braced, Neil just sent me the picks as they were working along! Lol
But good catch!


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[Salt2Death]

Fish room slowly coming together.....
Plumbing is at the 90% and main sump is drying, Refugium is getting picked up with the Tank!
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[sphelps]

Only one drain line? Looks noisy :biggrin:

[Salt2Death]

Only one drain line? Looks noisy :biggrin:

Just the one yup, 2 (1 1/2) bulk heads in the external overflow feed to a single line into the basement- a spare (1") is "t'd" into it incase of blockage.

Sound will not be what you think, two socks and foam will be added. Just waiting on glass....

Slimmer: Vertex 250
2 TLF reactors
Reef Keeper Lite
Ph/temp monitors
Reeflo Hybrid pump 3600gph
2x 300 watt heaters
ATO: Tunze
That's it sump side, K.I.S.S.



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[intarsiabox]

Are you using a durso style drain?

[Salt2Death]

So far that's the plan, twin jobs!

Dry rock getting a sun tan after a good bath......http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/21/y7u5a4ym.jpg


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[Jakegr]

For a single drain line, a Hofer Gurgle Buster is very quiet.

[Salt2Death]

And then there was "Tank"
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[Salt2Death]

Tomorrow hope to test the plumbing out and "PRAY!"

May the Sump Gods be with me in the hour of need




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[WindowMaker]

im in love.

[Salt2Death]

im in love.

Made my heart skip a beat too!
(and thank you)


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[Royal Aquariums]

interesting setup, enjoying following this one

[Salt2Death]

Sump Room
80% there!
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Overflow done.... Bit extra on the cement side....http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/24/magabune.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/24/a6egupu6.jpg
Just need air valves to drill into the pipes.
Twin returns into the tank.....
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SunBrite F series with WiFi/App controller.....http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/24/sutu8a6a.jpg
Tomorrow is fresh water run day....


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[FishyFishy!]

Very nice! It's coming together nicely.

What are you going to fill the TLF Reactors with?

[Salt2Death]

Very nice! It's coming together nicely.

What are you going to fill the TLF Reactors with?

Thanx Buddy, GFO & Carbon was the plan of attack... Or both GFO....


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[Skimmerking]

wow man that is looking great well done

[FishyFishy!]

Thanx Buddy, GFO & Carbon was the plan of attack... Or both GFO....


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If you're planning on one carbon, and one GFO, you should plumb them seperately because they will both require different flow rates to work properly.

[intarsiabox]

Set up is looking great so far! Neil did my tank as well and did a great job. I'm looking forward to seeing this one get wet!

[Salt2Death]

I'm really happy with Neil's work, he really turns out Grade A aquariums!
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After a minor setback today I'm playing with some dry rock structures and see what shapes we can build.

Ideas: Shallow Side, more arches and swim through... Deep End, try for a big aver hang and more of a build up or dry and live rock.

Suggestions.....?


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[intarsiabox]

Ideas: Shallow Side, more arches and swim through... Deep End, try for a big aver hang and more of a build up or dry and live rock.

Suggestions.....?


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That's probably how I would do it. Have a more of a "traditional" reef set up on the shallow side with lots of open space for asthetics and then a sloping rock wall along the drop off to represent the edge of a natural reef dropping off into the open sea. Could maybe even have dimmer lighting over the deep end to enhance the effect even more.

[Salt2Death]

That's probably how I would do it. Have a more of a "traditional" reef set up on the shallow side with lots of open space for asthetics and then a sloping rock wall along the drop off to represent the edge of a natural reef dropping off into the open sea. Could maybe even have dimmer lighting over the deep end to enhance the effect even more.

I like your thinking...
Gunna need lots of adhesive to keep it all good and sturdy!
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[Coralgurl]

I like it! Get the Eco Tech glue, I used it on my rockwork, best product I've used by far!

[Salt2Death]

I like it! Get the Eco Tech glue, I used it on my rockwork, best product I've used by far!

Ha ha ha- that's what I'm using to glue it all..... (plus my fingers)

Best product I have used


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[doch]

Wow Mike! Looking good buddy. I thought that you were saying that you have water in it already? Pictures don't refect that yet...?

How's the new pump... show up yet?

Just noticed that you picked up a reef keeper lite... did you find that used? If I end up shutting down I'll also have modules, probes, switches and such that I could seperate from my Reef Keeper Elite package for you if you like. Or you could buy the whole package and sell the lite!! lol

[Salt2Death]

Johnny that's too bad- you have one of the most beautiful setups I had ever seen!

(You know I want it all!)


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[Salt2Death]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/27/gugaze7e.jpgIn goes water, fresh to test her out and flush out anything else and then we start over with salt.
New pump is s monster and with that comes noise, now to insulate pipes and the sump room.....


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[chris88]

It looks great I like the scape.

[Glassdude]

wow.....that is gonna look friggin awesome.....sweet job on the stand...hope you guys enjoy it.

[Myka]

Nice looking build! Looks like you rubbed a few people the wrong way making comments about "fake" drop offs. :lol: I think the box in a box is a much safer design, I'm not sure I would trust that stress point in my house! I will happily watch your thread though! Hehe. Your pipes are noisy because of your drain design. Dual drains for Herbie overflow would be dead silent. I have Herbies one 3 tanks now, won't do it any other way.

[intarsiabox]

wow.....that is gonna look friggin awesome.....sweet job on the stand...hope you guys enjoy it.

You finally joined us to see some of your handywork!

[Salt2Death]

wow.....that is gonna look friggin awesome.....sweet job on the stand...hope you guys enjoy it.

Thank You Again Neil, Your A True Craftsman Of Glass!!!!
(I hope more people realize its better to go to you than any Box Store!
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Still clearing up but I got to say I'm loving the duel depths, Lagoon and Deep Sea....
Coral will be fun to choose!


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[reefwars]

looking good feller;)

[Salt2Death]

looking good feller;)

Thanx!


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[Salt2Death]

The water has been flowing for 12 hours now... No leaks, all the water stayed on the right side of the glass box but I do find this pump a tad loud.
Nitrifying bacteria is flowing through the system and waiting for that cloudy look to clear up!!!



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[doch]

Isn't the pump in the basement? How is it loud up at the display?

[Salt2Death]

Isn't the pump in the basement? How is it loud up at the display?

Yup it's in the basement.... So is the TV room......

Ha ha


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[MarkoD]

Put a mousepad under the pump.

[Salt2Death]

Day 2 of water.....
One line has a minor leak, deal with it tomorrow.
Still a few partials floating around, bit milky.
Nitrifying Bacteria added to the system.
Start watching all parameters tomorrow and daily to watch n see if the Bactria is worth it's money.
First visitor to see the setup today, (reef_rookie) good to meet Dan again.......

Patch leaking PVC line tomorrow..... :(


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[Azzkr]

put a filter sock on or a piece of foam it will clear up right away and take out all the floating particles.

[Salt2Death]

Water is looking spotless today....
Hope to fix the little plumbing leaks without tearing pipes apart today.
ATO needs to get installed today too.
Probably rearrange the returns as well. 4 are over kill, cap 2 stay 2 returns.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/28/ysysy2un.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/28/abedeha3.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/28/4uje7uje.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/28/6yvu8ude.jpg


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[fishmanty]

That looks incredible. Scape looks great too.

Neil sure does do great work with his tanks.

[Doug]

Agree with others. Great looking tank. Nice job on aquascaping

[chris88]

what's on the sand bed? Is it black sand mixed with white sand?

[Salt2Death]

Black Caribbean mix... 1/3-2/3 white sand, done it in all my set ups thus far and really like the overall look.



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[The Guy]

Black Caribbean mix... 1/3-2/3 white sand, done it in all my set ups thus far and really like the overall look.



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Very very nice set up, whats your lighting? :cool:

[Salt2Death]

Very very nice set up, whats your lighting? :cool:

Thank you!
SunBrite F Series
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[SeaHorse_Fanatic]

That's one awesome looking very unique tanks setup.

My only thing is that I would look at it and miss the extra volume lost with this drop down concept. The aquascaping is first rate btw.

Anthony

[Salt2Death]

That's one awesome looking very unique tanks setup.

My only thing is that I would look at it and miss the extra volume lost with this drop down concept. The aquascaping is first rate btw.

Anthony

Thanx For The Compliments!
As for the lost water volume- I added a second tank to the sump to load with LR and add extra water volume. (hoping the helps with stability and the lesser amount of LR in the tank


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[Salt2Death]

Thank To Steave At Red Coral, The Mp-40's are back up and running!
As well as a few other goodies to speed up the tank life....
Top Notch Service As Always!
**A honorable mention to Josh at Marine Aquaria as well- snails snails snails!**


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[Royal Aquariums]

This will look spectacular with the two levels and different types of coral.

[Salt2Death]

How go you glue a toad stool to a rock?

I had to cut mind of its old rock and need to move it to a new one!


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[Skimmerking]

How go you glue a toad stool to a rock?

I had to cut mind of its old rock and need to move it to a new one!


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dont glue really wont work for long I used to actually sew it with fishing line to a piece of rock or jam it in to a piece of rock the bottom piece

[sphelps]

An elastic band works well, holds it in place until it attaches itself. Just don't do it too tight.

[Myka]

I make a "seatbelt" out of 2-part epoxy and use that to strap the stem down. It works really well.

[Salt2Death]

Sump room up n operational and ready for public viewing...
(nothing special for a first try)
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2-300 watt heaters
RKL wt Temp/ PH Probes
Vertex 250 Skimmer
Hammer Head return pump
2x 4" filter socks
Secondary Sump For LR (extra)

Simple n Clean (KISS)
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[sphelps]

I noticed the ball valve on your drain is restricted, what's the reason for that?

[chris88]

Try to find a way to block that light from hitting your skimmer or you will get algae growth in the column.

[Salt2Death]

I noticed the ball valve on your drain is restricted, what's the reason for that?
First off WOW that you noticed that way off in the corner!

Tiny back pressure quiets the sloshing plumbing. Didn't slow the main pump
Down just the big splashing sounds in the plumbing......


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[Salt2Death]

Try to find a way to block that light from hitting your skimmer or you will get algae growth in the column.

Good Tip Buddy- Ill look into that one!


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[Seth81]

Did you say the glass is tempered??

[sphelps]

First off WOW that you noticed that way off in the corner!

Tiny back pressure quiets the sloshing plumbing. Didn't slow the main pump
Down just the big splashing sounds in the plumbing......


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I noticed it because I've seen people do it so many times and have it end in disaster. A crab or something makes its way down the overflow and gets stuck on the partially closed valves, backs up the flow and the tank overflows. It looks like the last chamber in your sump is probably small enough that your pump will run dry prior to a tank overflow but this can be bad too if the pump dies as result when you're not around or if your ATO is capable of pushing things over the edge.

Something to consider I guess. You have two drains in the overflow box, you could run two lines to the sump and setup a herbie style overflow. 100% quiet and much more reliable.

[Seth81]

I noticed it because I've seen people do it so many times and have it end in disaster. A crab or something makes its way down the overflow and gets stuck on the partially closed valves, backs up the flow and the tank overflows. It looks like the last chamber in your sump is probably small enough that your pump will run dry prior to a tank overflow but this can be bad too if the pump dies as result when you're not around or if your ATO is capable of pushing things over the edge.

Something to consider I guess. You have two drains in the overflow box, you could run two lines to the sump and setup a herbie style overflow. 100% quiet and much more reliable.


+1 for Herbie, mine is super quiet... Just make sure you do it right the first time, not like how I did mine originally.

[cale262]

+2 for Herbie, I have a hybrid herbie going to my basement sump with a third emergency overflow in the DT...not only is the Herbie dead silent but it's pretty safe.

I also just replaced all the flooring on the main floor of my house this spring/summer...if you guessed "tank related flood" you'd be right, after that expense and hassle of shutting down and moving 500gal of tanks you'd understand there is no such thing as too safe.

[Salt2Death]

As to all the advice up above, Big Thank You!

1. I have my over flow pipes set up as a Durso stand pipe.... (also have setup ahead of time a no way no chance a snail or grab can get into it all)
2. The noise I'd not at the display it's in the plumbing as is hits a section of 90's because of the restriction on how the plumbing was able to run.
(it sounds like a constraint flushing toilet in the basement family room)
3. ATO is monitored, more than 30 seconds it's shut of for 60 mins on top of flood sensors to shut it and the return pump down!

Thanx Guys!


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[sphelps]

That flushing toilet is the noise I warned you about previously when you use a single drain on that large of a drop.
Two drains, one back up and one with a gate valve, zero noise, zero air, everywhere (upstairs and down).
Crabs, snails and fish will find ways through your plumbing, unless you have strainers in your dursos that require constant cleaning you're vulnerable. Even a clump of algae can clog a valve.

[Salt2Death]

That flushing toilet is the noise I warned you about previously when you use a single drain on that large of a drop.
Two drains, one back up and one with a gate valve, zero noise, zero air, everywhere (upstairs and down).
Crabs, snails and fish will find ways through your plumbing, unless you have strainers in your dursos that require constant cleaning you're vulnerable. Even a clump of algae can clog a valve.

Oh Yes You Sure Did!
(warning was given)

Big Thanx, Huge Thanx On Allll The Advice As To How To Fix It-

** Exterior overflow consists of main strainer separation from the tank, second one to catch the critters and 3rd a foam block that I clean every other day, and last the Durso strainers that I have yet in Many years had the strenuously clean, outside the normal cleaning routine I have. (I actually keep all my equipment maintained and do monthly cleans of 90% of it) OCD at its finest! **

But all your warnings are taken as very helpful and I promise if in anyway any of my redundancies are compromised I'll let you all know so you can give me a huge round of "I Told U Soo's" lol

:) thanx guys


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[gregzz4]

It may not be the end of the world, but thought you should know ...

If I'm seeing what I think I see, it looks like you have your sump bulkheads backwards
The rubber seals should be in the water and the nuts on the outside

[Salt2Death]

It may not be the end of the world, but thought you should know ...

If I'm seeing what I think I see, it looks like you have your sump bulkheads backwards
The rubber seals should be in the water and the nuts on the outside

** They are, and the rubber is on the inside- I put it in backwards on purpose... Good Eye Greggz!


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[NightShadeFairy]

That's so cool! Didn't know they did that! (The feather duster moving into the shell)

[sphelps]

At the risk of pointing out another problem, you can install bulkheads either way but the gasket should always go on the flanged side and not the nut side. So with your orientation the gasket should be on the outside, otherwise water can leak out through the threads.

PS, I just want to help to prevent problems, not state things now just to through it in your face later.

[Salt2Death]

No worry! But definitely thank you as its not my first rodeo (or sump), there are many ways to do stuff and not all of them the same. It's why these sites exist, show other ways and ideas and grab suggestions.....

Can't leak through the treads if there is silicone*

"suggestions are welcome, as long as people understand they don't always know the only way. If there was just one way to do things this site would be so useless lol"


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[Salt2Death]

That's so cool! Didn't know they did that! (The feather duster moving into the shell)

Guess the tube was to cramped! Lol


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[sphelps]

I don't get it? I mean sure many ways to do things and I like learning new methods but why would you opt for realying on siliconing treads instead of installing the bulkhead properly with gasket on flange side? Seems strange but to each there own I guess... Just don't think I'd go recommending that approach to others.

[gregzz4]

At the risk of pointing out another problem, you can install bulkheads either way but the gasket should always go on the flanged side and not the nut side. So with your orientation the gasket should be on the outside, otherwise water can leak out through the threads.

PS, I just want to help to prevent problems, not state things now just to through it in your face later.
This is what I didn't want to get into, but ya, this is an issue you're going to have with your bulkheads .....

[gregzz4]

I don't get it? I mean sure many ways to do things and I like learning new methods but why would you opt for realying on siliconing treads instead of installing the bulkhead properly with gasket on flange side? Seems strange but to each there own I guess... Just don't think I'd go recommending that approach to others.
OMG, don't tell me you are going to rely on silicone to seal your fittings ??? !!!

OK, I'm not going to follow along anymore :surprise:

[StirCrazy]

listen to them, install the bulkheads the proper way. silicone will not seal very good in a bulkhead, I add a think layer of silicone to all parts but I install the gasket the proper way also.

and yes there usaly are two ways to do something the proper way and the wrong way. don't set yourself up for problems using the wrong way. I did this myself, which is why I know. I had one with the gasket on the wrong side and one proper (was 1/2 asleep when I put my plumbing togeather) anyways both were siliconed also and 2 years later the one started to leak and it was the one with the gasket on the wrong side.

no big deal, next time you do a water change it is easy to fix.

Steve

[Salt2Death]

* anyone else have helpful tips?*






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[Salt2Death]

OMG, don't tell me you are going to rely on silicone to seal your fittings ??? !!!

OK, I'm not going to follow along anymore :surprise:

Aww darn... Looks like another sleepless night for me.


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[reefwars]

* anyone else have helpful tips?*






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the ones i have i dont think i should post....but ya;)

[Salt2Death]

the ones i have i dont think i should post....but ya;)

Too Funny, now the big bad wolf is at the door too! Ha ha


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[gregzz4]

Aww darn... Looks like another sleepless night for me.


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Sorry :mrgreen:
I didn't mean it that way, I just don't want to read about a wet floor

And I didn't mean to start a riot

[cuz]

Too Funny, now the big bad wolf is at the door too! Ha ha


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Now that is funny!!!:biggrin:

[Salt2Death]

Sorry :mrgreen:
I didn't mean it that way, I just don't want to read about a wet floor

And I didn't mean to start a riot

Oh come on, my skin is way to thick to admit defeat! Never getting a wet floor pal. Never hurts to give advice as long as you ALL understand there's many ways to get it done right.

You sill Internet bullies! Lol

(and Reefwars the big bad wolf)


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[reefwars]

Oh come on, my skin is way to thick to admit defeat! Never getting a wet floor pal. Never hurts to give advice as long as you ALL understand there's many ways to get it done right.

You sill Internet bullies! Lol

(and Reefwars the big bad wolf)


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ill nominate you for biggest douchbag award and call it a day thanks:P

[Salt2Death]

Awww Deny, that's sad- really sad that you can razz, but not be poked. Maybe you need a really tight hug around your neck so you feel the love I have for you!


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[reefwars]

Awww Deny, that's sad- really sad that you can razz, but not be poked. Maybe you need a really tight hug around your neck so you feel the live I have for you!


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you have live for me?

[Salt2Death]

Tons!



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[Salt2Death]

Little more life now we have moved the poor corals into the main display, finally.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/10/emy7y5ym.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/10/rupapy9e.jpg
No idea what that is in Pic 2...?http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/10/gydu4ery.jpg
Long tentical Anenomy seem not so happy.... Yet


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[steve fedyk]

Do you find the fish hing out at the drop off, or just swim all over the tank like in a normal tank.

The tank looks great.

[reefwars]

love that red seafan, is it real??

[Salt2Death]

love that red seafan, is it real??

Yup, grows like a weed....
Frags super well. Next time your going to EDM I'll give ya a 3" piece if you want


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[subman]

I'm in for a frag of that! I love sea fans never seen one that does well.

The tank is looking great btw

[Glassdude]

Well i've got to say he tank does look awesome. Great job. Really been enjoying reading this thread. Can't we all just be friends...lol

Glassdude

[Salt2Death]

Well i've got to say he tank does look awesome. Great job. Really been enjoying reading this thread. Can't we all just be friends...lol

Glassdude

The credit is all yours! You built it I just decorate it really, your the artist Neil!


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[Marlin65]

great tank I want to do one like that as well.
I have a couple questions is the tank 12mm tempered glass and what hole size did they drill in the drop down corner. There must be a small radius there right??
Thanks Rob

[tim the toolman]

Tank looks amazing. Love the combination of sand colors. Hope all goes well with its future.

[Salt2Death]

Nothing new to add or really say.....
Corals doing amazing, Prodibio is an amazing over all product (imo), 5 chromis group as well as Niger Triger & Fancy Leopard Wrasse seemingly well!
Hood wt plastic tops fits clean.
Nitrite. 0.1
Nitrate. 0.1
Ammonia 0.0
Phosphate. 0.025
Ph. 8.3
Temp. 78.5

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[Skimmerking]

amazing man looks great i would do a piece of marble where the end of the tank is..........

[kien]

Wow, this came together quite nicely. Great job!

[riceboy]

nice work dude love the finishing on the canopy and the stand looks really contemporary

[chris88]

the finishing work looks great!

[redonimask1]

who built that tank for you and do they have a website or a store where one could go and talk with them about getting a tank built?

thanks
dave

[Salt2Death]

It was built by Neil in Edm- he is listed all over my build here. He is the best, if you want more info drop me a PM.
Thanx


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[fishyfishster]

Any updates?

[Salt2Death]

Been a while and we have had a few harsh battles.....
Lost many fish sadly most were with us for years and many moves.
Not a coral loss.... Outside a nippy fish or too. (But its hard to reprimand a fish I have found)
Purple is growing great.

Shout out to Red Coral (Steave & Doug) always big help and top notch live stock, Blue World (Ken) 1st class customer service, and alway a big one to Phil (Zoas like none other)


Updates: 3x TLF 150 reactors (2carbon 1rowa), UV Steralizor (Turbo Twist 12x 36 watt), and RoDi 7stage.

Fish list :

Huma (Picasso) Trigger
Pair Blue Throat Triggers
Starry Blenny
3 Chromis
Leopard Wrasse
Tomini Tang
Unicorn Tang
Naso Tang
Koran Angel
Singapore Angel
Bi Color Angel
Eilbl's Angel
Majestic FoxFace
Orange Spotted Golby
(Yes I know many can be problematic)

Nothing going on as of lately due to the money well drying up but who knows what the future will bring.





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[Salt2Death]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/03/buvy8apu.jpg
Chilling With The Villians'


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[Salt2Death]

Water in check... 80% of my zoas have closed or melted away now. Every other coral is alive and fully extended.....

Bit disheartening.



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[Salt2Death]

God Dam Short In A Heater Is The Bug Issue!!!!!


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[icy.bing]

damn... just spent a good 20min going through the thread...

breath taking...

that is such a beautiful tank...! definitly gives me some new idea!

keep up the good work!

[mess7777]

bummer to hear about the losses.

hopefully things pick up from here, nice looking build you have.

[Salt2Death]

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[steve fedyk]

The tank is looking great, can't wait to see it all grown in.

[yycguy]

Yes that's a nice setup

[Salt2Death]

Big Thanx.

Noticed a major change for the good with some magnesium and iodine supplements after a 3day 120gal water change...... RoDi


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[Goatman]

This tank always brings warm feelings to my heart

[Salt2Death]

This tank always brings warm feelings to my heart

Thank you very much, really kind of you to say! My Wifey n I tried to be a bit more creative with this tank so no just us and the kids would enjoy but anyone else could to


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