Canadian Skimmer Company CSC-400

[waynemah]

I’d like to start off by thanking Michael at Aqua Digital for giving me this opportunity. I’m a big fan of home reef technology and being able to play with it first hand is exciting!

In this review we will be looking at the Canadian Skimmer Company’s CSC-400.

CSC-400 at a glance:

At first glance this thing is a pure work of art, it’s a true statement of innovation without the price tag. Here are some features I noticed during the un-boxing.

Skimmer Cup
- This is fitted with a twist lock design. Removal of the skimmer cup is easy and hassle free, I’ve played with some other skimmers that twist off like a bottle cap and can get quite annoying.
- There is a hole placed in the skimmer cup for easy extraction of skimmate. This is a simple but effective design (barbed fitting). To make full use of this an airline tubing and valve would need to be purchased.

Skimmer Body
- This is a cone skimmer which does have a seam at the back of the skimmer, although not very noticeable.
- The acrylic is crystal clear and has a perfect finish to it. Truly a work of art.
- The body is secured to the base using 4 thumb screws, you can likely have the body off in under a minute.

Skimmer Base
- This skimmer uses the base and a variable gate to control the flow (water height) of the skimmer. This design allows for the extremely small footprint (11.5x11.5 inches).
- The base holds the two Cicce PSK 1200 pumps. These pumps are easily maintainable and accessible (I’d say 2 minutes from fully assembled to disassembled where you can get at the pumps).

Skimmer Air Intake
- There is an intake per pump, this allows you to control the amount of air available for the pumps. These are easily accessible and tunable.
- The intakes have nipples that allow you to attach tubing for external air (Some people like this feature to help more fresh air enter the tank)

Skimmer in general
- The skimmer sits 22.5 inches off the ground, measured from the base to the top of the skimmer cup. You will likely need another inch to remove the skimmer cup from the skimmer.
- The baseline water level is suggested at 180-250mm (7-9.8 inches).

I will keep this thread updated with progress.

Thanks for looking!

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[lockrookie]

looks good.. my only thought (only owned verex skimmers) is i dont understand the output from the skimmer how does the cleaned water leave the skimmer. is it inteh tube in the back wih the adjustment dial?

[waynemah]

looks good.. my only thought (only owned verex skimmers) is i dont understand the output from the skimmer how does the cleaned water leave the skimmer. is it inteh tube in the back wih the adjustment dial?

There is a channel that goes from the center of the base out the back, the adjustment tube you are referring too has a small gate at the bottom of it which controls the flow out. :biggrin:

[lockrookie]

There is a channel that goes from the center of the base out the back, the adjustment tube you are referring too has a small gate at the bottom of it which controls the flow out. :biggrin:

interesting.. if you get a chance id love to see a pic of that area but if its inset to tank dont worry about it i have an inqusitive mind and in the market for a new skimmer soon so ill be following along very closely... thanks for doing the review

[Psyire]

Nice Skimmer! Looking foward to hearing more. Who carries these?

[waynemah]

interesting.. if you get a chance id love to see a pic of that area but if its inset to tank dont worry about it i have an inqusitive mind and in the market for a new skimmer soon so ill be following along very closely... thanks for doing the review

I'll snap a picture of my other skimmer, it has the same design :)

[waynemah]

Nice Skimmer! Looking foward to hearing more. Who carries these?

These should be available at almost any marine store in Canada. I believe the release date will be around September.

[darrin41]

will they have h.o.b ones or strictly in sump skimmers

[Dr_Hicks]

Can someone post the corporate website for the company :-)

Thanks !

[RuGlu6]

Looks good depending on the price and air output of the pumps.
The only thing i see is that they need to add rubber pads/feet for the skimmer body as well as rubber lining under pumps to make it silent.
Like the idea of water output at the lowest point where there is least amount of bubbles.

[Aqua-Digital]

Can someone post the corporate website for the company :-)

Thanks !

www.aqua-digital.com

not updated yet but go to our forum for all the info on this line

[Aqua-Digital]

will they have h.o.b ones or strictly in sump skimmers

Just in sump, we are brining in the NEW Bubble Magus E5 for HOB due in late July.

[Aqua-Digital]

Nice Skimmer! Looking foward to hearing more. Who carries these?

As Wayne said, the range will be launched at the end of September, we are currently evaluating the pre production models which this is one of, from there the production will start in about 5 weeks.

We have already received substantial pre orders based on the feedback we got from the pre production testing of the CSC-150

Here is a link
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87599

Currently we have over 40 active dealers across Canada and the North America head count stands as of today at 87 so supply should be of no issue when looking for a CSC skimmer.

The next model to go under the pre test is the CSC-250 which starts today through Derek LeBlanc

[waynemah]

Looks good depending on the price and air output of the pumps.
The only thing i see is that they need to add rubber pads/feet for the skimmer body as well as rubber lining under pumps to make it silent.
Like the idea of water output at the lowest point where there is least amount of bubbles.

Surprisingly enough, this skimmer is one of the quietest devices in my sump. There is a slight hum during start up, but then becomes pretty much silent. A single MP40 is louder than this skimmer and a lot quieter than my return pump.

There is a nice amount of foam forming and it's pulling out some skimmate (surprising for running under 12 hours). This unit is quite easy to adjust. I set the water level, then tuned the intakes to create a nice gradual increase in bubble size as it moves up the skimmer body.

Here is a quick pic of it's progress after the first day.

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[Dr_Hicks]

www.aqua-digital.com

not updated yet but go to our forum for all the info on this line

Sorry, not looking for the distributor; was looking for the manufacturer website....

Looked on your website Michael; however you have no button I could see that would take me to you're forum.

Thanks :)

[Aqua-Digital]

Sorry, not looking for the distributor; was looking for the manufacturer website....

Looked on your website Michael; however you have no button I could see that would take me to you're forum.

Thanks :)

I am the first sponsor on canreef in the list, just go to the sponsor area.

Please read our forum the info is all there

The manufacturer is stated many times on our forum. CSC is an OEM product by Skimz on our exclusive behalf to our and canreefers requested specs.

"Introducing CSC skimmers (Skimz Hybrid)"
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87019

Since the above post the CSC-350 was upgraded to CSC-400
SO where you see CSC-350 entioned it is referring now to the CSC-400

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87450

First review and official ratings
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87599

[Aqua-Digital]

Looks good depending on the price and air output of the pumps.
The only thing i see is that they need to add rubber pads/feet for the skimmer body as well as rubber lining under pumps to make it silent.
Like the idea of water output at the lowest point where there is least amount of bubbles.

Due to the quality balancing done with the pumps and the mounts no rubber feet are required, the unit is quite simply near silent for a skimmer.

[Aqua-Digital]

CSC-400 (formally SK251)
Technical Data:
2 X SICCE PSK1200 (110V/60Hz)
0.938A/52W
Air intake: 1680 l/h
Dimensions:
L 291 x W 291 x H 560mm
Cone base diameter (mm): 250
Tank Volume rating:
400-500+ Gallon
Estmiated price point:
$699.00 - $749.00CAD

[Dr_Hicks]

I am the first sponsor on canreef in the list, just go to the sponsor area.

Please read our forum the info is all there

The manufacturer is stated many times on our forum. CSC is an OEM product by Skimz on our exclusive behalf to our and canreefers requested specs.

"Introducing CSC skimmers (Skimz Hybrid)"
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87019

Since the above post the CSC-350 was upgraded to CSC-400
SO where you see CSC-350 entioned it is referring now to the CSC-400

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87450

First review and official ratings
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87599

Thanks

[waynemah]

After a day of skimming, this thing is already pulling out some nice chunks of goo. I can't wait to see what this thing does at its full potential.

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[Aqua-Digital]

Nice! thats pulling some serious chunks! And its not even warmed up yet ;)

[waynemah]

It's been a week and this skimmer is working like a champ!

I've had some people over and the common comment is how quiet the skimmer is. Personally, I can't believe how they packed a 500 Gallon capable skimmer into such a small package. For anyone looking to save some sump space, this is the solution.

There are a couple of things that would make this thing a superstar. First, the gate adjustment is extremely free... I would like to see a little more tension on this (so far it hasn't moved on me), might be a non-issue. Second, it would be nice if this skimmer included an extra hose and valve for easy dumping of skimmate... This feature is really handy.

Picture time! First week of running.

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[Aqua-Digital]

Looks great so far

The reason the gate valve is loose is likely due to you having the locking nut on the top side of the support bracket and not the underside. The pre review photos you sent showed the nuts being ontop ;)

We are looking into including a valve for the waste dump but not tube as we could never know how long somebody might want.

Thanks so far for the great review, keep the comments and improvement suggestions coming, it is these that help us build the brand ;)

[waynemah]

Looks great so far
The reason the gate valve is loose is likely due to you having the locking nut on the top side of the support bracket and not the underside. The pre review photos you sent showed the nuts being ontop ;)


I sorted that out before I installed the skimmer. Likely a non-issue as it doesn't seem to move and it's nice not fighting with it while adjusting.

[Aqua-Digital]

Ok good feedback - I will look into having a locking mechanism fitted just for piece of mind. All adds to the quality.

[MarkoD]

I saw and heard this skimmer running. It's unbelievable how quiet it is.

[waynemah]

I believe I've run this thing long enough to come to a final conclusion!

The Good:
It's never once had a problem starting.
It runs quiet!!!
The footprint is small for the performance.
It performs extremely well.

Improvements:
Dials are a little loose, after adding a few O-rings this is no longer an issue. Easy fix.

DIY Modification:
I added a float valve to the lid, this stops the pumps when the skimmer cup is full (Using DIY auto top-off circuitry). This by no means a requirement, but saved several overflows (due to laziness).

I'll leave you all with a couple of final photographs...

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[mrhasan]

I was eating when I started browsing this post and stopped when I reached the 2nd last photo :neutral:

[Aqua-Digital]

First shipment lands in 5 weeks :)

hold onto your hats for a real quality cr*p producer to arrive :)

[rhody605]

Aqua digital. What is the suggested retail price for this model?

[Aqua-Digital]

we have posted some provisional pricing on our sponsor forum, however the final price will depnd on cost of import. However I do not see much change in what has been listed.

[Cliff]

What depth of water are you running your CSC450 in ?

I just got one yesterday and I'm having trouble getting it to produce some good skimate. Right now it fills the cup about every hour. But I do have it sitting in 9 1/4 inches of water which is the max level according to the instructions. I'm thinking I might need to try it in 7 or 8 inches of water

[Aqua-Digital]

optimal is 7" also it will take time to break in, all skimmers need a good week.

set the air to minimum and set the gate valve to maximum, then balance the water height with the air. it will take some tuning as you have two balancing components, but once balanced and bedded in these skimmers are set and forget.

[Myka]

Hey Michael, just a thought for skimmer design in general... Biopellets are really popular these days and the easiest way to hook one up to a skimmer is to add a T fitting to the input of the pump so one end of the T receives the effluent from the biopellet reactor and the other end is left open for the skimmer to suck in additional water. This is the most common way for people to hook up their biopellet reactor to the skimmer. However, the input of the skimmer is usually 1" PVC and a 1" T fitting will not fit over it without modification. If there was a better option, like maybe a barb fitting on the side of the skimmer body, or a different size input tube it would definitely be a selling feature for the many hobbyists running biopellets.

On the other hand, these look like nice skimmers. I like the idea of dual pumps instead of one big one. If one breaks down the skimmer can still operate. I really like the skimmer output too from what I can see of it in the pictures - looks like a great design.

That pic of the solid skimmer goo in the bowl...YUCK! :eek:

As far as the name goes, "Canadian Skimmer Company", these skimmers aren't manufactured in Canada are they? The price point seems too low for a Canadian manufacturer. :lol: Is it a Canadian company producing the designs then?

[Aqua-Digital]

Hiya

As VERY well documented here many times on Canreef, No the skimmers are not made in Canada they are Skimz body with a Sicce pump, this has never been a hidden factor, the name also does not state Canadian skimmer manufacturer company, just a fun name to add to differentiate from the Skimz retail brand and the OEM brand we went with. The reason we went this route and not sell skimz electronically supplied goods is because Skimz warranties suck beyond comprehension so us taking control of the only real warranty part clients have great peace of mind, not to mention the fact the Sicce pump is way more superior in both performance, quality and silence. Skimz make some of the best bodies in the industry but the rest of the electronics they use are in my opinion a nightmare. We now have 100% control of that factor making an awesome skimmer for everyone at a great price.

Skimz CSC Skimmers
http://www.aqua-digital.com/skimz/


Bio pellets - are those things still being used? :sad: Really? whats the point? you need a reactor, be very careful in balancing the system so you dont crash the system and does nothing but add mass bacteria. This is why I am a fan of Prodibio, no reactor required, it is a complete system, you only dose every 14 days and impossible to overdose, have you ever seen a negative review either ;)

On to the T piece, the skimmer foot print would have to be bigger to compensate the addition there is not enough meat in the volute to add the required diameter for the T piece. Good thought in theory though.

[Aqua-Digital]

Just for future reference we are now working on a complete new design for the winter/spring 2014 this will be a big departure from what you have seen so far and will be a design from us led by client feedback on the CSC rang thus far.

It also will not be Skimz OEM but a true blood new skimmer.

[Myka]

Hiya

As VERY well documented here many times on Canreef, No the skimmers are not made in Canada they are Skimz body with a Sicce pump, this has never been a hidden factor, the name also does not state Canadian skimmer manufacturer company, just a fun name to add to differentiate from the Skimz retail brand and the OEM brand we went with. The reason we went this route and not sell skimz electronically supplied goods is because Skimz warranties suck beyond comprehension so us taking control of the only real warranty part clients have great peace of mind, not to mention the fact the Sicce pump is way more superior in both performance, quality and silence. Skimz make some of the best bodies in the industry but the rest of the electronics they use are in my opinion a nightmare. We now have 100% control of that factor making an awesome skimmer for everyone at a great price.


Bio pellets - are those things still being used? :sad: Really? whats the point? you need a reactor, be very careful in balancing the system so you dont crash the system and does nothing but add mass bacteria. This is why I am a fan of Prodibio, no reactor required, it is a complete system, you only dose every 14 days and impossible to overdose, have you ever seen a negative review either ;)

On to the T piece, the skimmer foot print would have to be bigger to compensate the addition there is not enough meat in the volute to add the required diameter for the T piece. Good though in theory though.

Hi Michael, thanks for having an open mind when real life suggestions are made. :)

I haven't read a sentence about these skimmers until this review, so no I'm not familiar with any documentation on the manufacture of the skimmer. Since this is a review thread, it seems an appropriate question to me. There is nothing wrong with the skimmer being manufactured somewhere else - most things are. I was simply wondering about the name. No reason to be on the defensive. ;)

As far as biopellets go, like it or not YES they are very popular. Whether YOU like them or not. Proper use of biopellets and some of the challenges when using them is also well documented now that all the guinea pigs have crashed their tanks. :p I've used Prodibio for 2 or 3 years now, and the system does not do what biopellets do. I like Prodibio, and will continue to use it for the benefits I see, but I have not experienced any noticeable nutrient lowering capability from Prodibio on any of my systems. Some people claim such, but I have not seen it myself.

[Aqua-Digital]

Hiya

Not being defensive just making sure you and anyone else reading this have all the facts. As always the written word carries no emotion :(

As you know Aqua Digital = Straight talking BRIT :lol:

[Aqua-Digital]

Anyone now looking for a CSC skimmer. Dave at Concepts just bought the very last shipment.

He has 9 x CSC450 and 5 x CSC250 in stock. CSC150 sold out

[Skimmerking]

Hey Mike those Skimmers look very well built. I remember Doug having one of the skimmers with that knob and dial and he ran in to the same problem to with the loosen thingy lol. But some times it takes a few times to get it right. But at least its getting noticed. I really like the bottom out put of the skimmer great Idea. I was looking at the skimmer ideas and I guess having a Gate valve wouldn't really make sense due to the output of the skimmer.
I love pumps now thou. before I had a really bad run in with the Sicci pumps. and it drew me away from them.. but now they are rocking well Done.

I remember sicci pumps on the Bubblemaster skimmer with the super wide neck for awesome wet foam and its huge 10" body. anyways enough on me.. chatting about this skimmer.

Excellent review Wayne ........

[Cliff]

optimal is 7" also it will take time to break in, all skimmers need a good week..

Thanks for the info

I will raise the skimmer so it will be sitting about 7 inches of water. I only started at the max as that seam to be the setting my Skimz SK181 worked best at. With the sicci pumps, I guess its a whole other ball game.

I'm a little disappointed to hear I just missed out on a newer model :cry: Timing is everything I guess

[Aqua-Digital]

You for sure have not missed out on a new model its going to take at least a year to get anything here. Development is only planned for winter /spring 2014 and nothing is final.

[Cliff]

Ah, now I understand

I'll be watching for the new models as I have been thinking about up-grading the skimmer in my other set-up

[reefwars]

Thanks for the info

I will raise the skimmer so it will be sitting about 7 inches of water. I only started at the max as that seam to be the setting my Skimz SK181 worked best at. With the sicci pumps, I guess its a whole other ball game.

I'm a little disappointed to hear I just missed out on a newer model :cry: Timing is everything I guess

may need to go a bit less, i have two one at the store on a 400-500g system and another on my personal 100g system home. the one at the store runs in 6" and the one at my house is also at 6" i had started both at 9" and found it works best in 6" of water and is very touchy about its depth.

awesome skimmers and have nothing but great things to say about them and how they perform , plus its a great price tag.

the 250 and 150 work better in higher water.


hth

cheers

denny

concept aquariums

[Cliff]

Thanks for tip Reefwars

I will go for 6 inches.

Your timing is great as I was planning to adjust the stand the skimmer sits on later tonight

Cheers

[SoloSK71]

You for sure have not missed out on a new model its going to take at least a year to get anything here. Development is only planned for winter /spring 2014 and nothing is final.

Wait, I am confused?!?! There is no stock now, and the new versions will not be available until November of NEXT YEAR?

Charles

[craigwmiller]

Basically, you got it. I was able to snag one from Concept in Calgary about a month ago -- he had 5 left at that time. Call him up, those might be all of them remaining. (and likely anyone who has one, will not part with it :D)

[Aqua-Digital]

concepts have stock left last time I checked, but we have stopped production of the current model due to market changes moving to DC inverted pumps. This sort of re design takes time.

I know these are hot property and probably one of the best skimmers on the market but we have to move with the times

New model we hope will be spring 2014, not sure where you are getting November from.

[SoloSK71]

concepts have stock left last time I checked, but we have stopped production of the current model due to market changes moving to DC inverted pumps. This sort of re design takes time.

I know these are hot property and probably one of the best skimmers on the market but we have to move with the times

I understand that things change. At the same time I am not willing to buy a product that is already discontinued and has nothing to replace it for over a year. What do I do for support in the mean time?

Charles

[Aqua-Digital]

I understand that things change. At the same time I am not willing to buy a product that is already discontinued and has nothing to replace it for over a year. What do I do for support in the mean time?

Charles

I am not sure what the argument here is?

if you are not willing to buy the highly respected original unit then dont, consumer choice

What do you do about support? Contact me, why would that change?

[SoloSK71]

I am not sure what the argument here is?

if you are not willing to buy the highly respected original unit then dont, consumer choice

What do you do about support? Contact me, why would that change?

I want to buy it but if it is discontinued, what do I do if the pump fails in 90 days, or there is a crack in the volute or ???

Charles

[Aqua-Digital]

then we replace it!!

[Aqua-Digital]

The pumps are sicce

the bodies are Skimz

Both readily available.

[SoloSK71]

OK, that answers my questions, thank you very very much.

Charles

[Aqua-Digital]

;)

welcome :)

saw your other post on our forum - nope not got any sorry, only required spare parts

[reefwars]

OK, that answers my questions, thank you very very much.

Charles

hi charles

we still have some in stock , there are new models in the works but as michael mentioned the release date is still a ways away.

these are great skimmers , replacement parts are always available and to be honest i havent had to warrenty one single skimmer since they have been released and i bet ive sold over 50 units throughout canada.

i currently use a 450 home and several at the store with never an issue.

the skimmers are being discontinued but only for the reason of being upgraded to dc , the origional model still works fine and you have my word this is a reliable skimmer and at a great buy that i would recommen]d to anyone....love these skimmers from day one:)

pm me and ill talk to dave about what i can do to help with pricing on them for you, i believe i have 2 x 250's and 2 x 450's and maybe 4 150's still left.

cheers buddy


denny

[Midway]

Bought a 450 a couple of weeks ago for my breeding setup at Concepts, and man I have nothing but good things to say about this skimmer, it pulls $hit like there's no tomorrow and since this is s breeding setup, I needed a skimmer that could handle a big bio load since a lot of food is going into this setup. Thanks to Denny and Dave for their advice on this monster of skimmer. Skimmer is dead silent and it keeps my nitrates in my setup where i want them to be. Now i'm looking for a 150 for another setup since I've seen what these skimmers can do, I'm sold!!

[Dyspnea]

Any update for an arrival date for the new model?

[Aqua-Digital]

Yep, we parted company with Skimz after an issue with what we got in terms of quality with the prototypes and what we got as a manufactured final product, apparently if the prototypes were right then it would be our fault if they made the production ones wrong, HUH WTF!! And on first batch - guess what?!!

I guess the extreme quality everyone saw had to come to an end at some point based on the cost!

So we have partnered with BM to make us a new body, a company we can really trust, but this wont be normal BM style, tooling or material used, they are going high end on our guidance. They just moved to a new factory so we have not been able to re start the project, but most is designed. The weir gate is very funky and efficient. I also have a concept in test for a dual cone, but needs to go through some performance testing.

I expect late spring, but hey Rome was not built in a day ;)

[paddyob]

Looks neat but I think the pumps inside the housing is crazy.

I can remove my pump, as most others can, without taking my skimmer out of the tank.

That to me would cause me to lose my mind.

Looks good. Probably works good too, but the maintenance, no matter how fast you claim it to be, is doubtable the two minutes you mentioned.

Maybe you could post a video of the two minutes it takes to remove your skimmer, undo the finger screws. Remove two pumps and clean them. I would love to see that.

Maybe I misread, if so sorry about that. But I would never buy a model with enclosed pumps.

[Aqua-Digital]

Unfortunately the majority rule when it comes to getting marketing insight when developing a new product, and the market determined very early on majority want internal pumps for space saving. If that means the odd sale is lost for those that want external then of course there are other brands.

[Dyspnea]

Good too hear where things stand, I'll likely be looking for a bubble magus :)

[paddyob]

Unfortunately the majority rule when it comes to getting marketing insight when developing a new product, and the market determined very early on majority want internal pumps for space saving. If that means the odd sale is lost for those that want external then of course there are other brands.

I agree with space saving issues for some.

I intentionally built my sump to accommodate skimmers and a future upgrade if needed.

As I mentioned, I'm sure it's a good product.

How many people actually make up the "majority"?


If its the Canreef bunch, it's a very small audience. Hence the majority of skimmers having external pumps. I'm sure these huge companies have also done some research.

I would still like a video of the two minute maintenance. :twised:

Best of luck! Nice seeing initiative to develop something different. Whether its my cup of tea or not.

Thanks for the reply.

[reefwars]

thats funny cause after owning a model with the pump internally ill never go back to an external.



i maybe cleaned out my body and pump once a year and the couple of minutes it takes to unscrew the bottom i find is not bad at all, in fact with the pump enclosed i actually find it to be cleaned less often then my old skimmers were;)


after a year of use i still think the csc lines are top of the line and i prefer them over the vertex omega lines or even some of the dc lines , with that said im not a huge BM fan so i hope the new lines live up to the old or even surpass:)

[paddyob]

I see your point Denny. But asides from the pump staying "cleaner" and a smaller foot print...

Who knows... If my built like a tank euro reef RS100 ever lets me down ill look closer.



thats funny cause after owning a model with the pump internally ill never go back to an external.



i maybe cleaned out my body and pump once a year and the couple of minutes it takes to unscrew the bottom i find is not bad at all, in fact with the pump enclosed i actually find it to be cleaned less often then my old skimmers were;)


after a year of use i still think the csc lines are top of the line and i prefer them over the vertex omega lines or even some of the dc lines , with that said im not a huge BM fan so i hope the new lines live up to the old or even surpass:)