Group Buy on Eshine leds

[TaioneReefer]

So.. I ve been doing a bit of research on Leds and I ended up deciding to go with Eshine Leds.

they have right now the newest 4G 48x3Watt Leds.
Its fully dimmable.
sunrise/sunset option

http://www.eshinesystems.com/aqua/4g-48x3w-led-aquarium-light.html

I m going to be getting 3 fixtures, so i need 3 more fixtures in order for the price to drop.

6 fixtures and under is $400/ per fixture, 6 or more is $300/ per fixture

now, they have two different designs as where the Leds sit.

Thanks

[lastlight]

http://www.eshinesystems.com/aqua/4g-48x3w-led-aquarium-light.html

[TaioneReefer]

oh, sweet they put it on, as i tried to look for it yesterday it wasnt on, and he said it wasnt on either.

but thanks !

[lastlight]

What confuses me about that site is:

1) how such a long and narrow fixture can have a uniform PAR spread (circles) in the diagrams

2) the PAR charts for other fixtures appears to be the same? I was looking at a monstrous 150x3W panel and the charts were the same as the 4G?

The more people know the better chance you might have in finding more buyers which is why I'm asking.

[TaioneReefer]

this is the other position of Leds http://www.eshinesystems.com/grow/4g-48x3w-led-grow-light.html

[TaioneReefer]

What confuses me about that site is:

1) how such a long and narrow fixture can have a uniform PAR spread (circles) in the diagrams

2) the PAR charts for other fixtures appears to be the same? I was looking at a monstrous 150x3W panel and the charts were the same as the 4G?

The more people know the better chance you might have in finding more buyers which is why I'm asking.


That I will email them right now, I need to get that cleared up for everyone. will update asap

[eli@fijireefrock.com]

I recall dealing with these guys for 3G in the past,for your information check and see if the full 100% power even come close to what the led are rated for.In my opinion its a shame that these arrays are made without giving the proper power to these led.On a second note they could have it more powered but will cost you more.Just my 2ct:biggrin:

[TaioneReefer]

What confuses me about that site is:

1) how such a long and narrow fixture can have a uniform PAR spread (circles) in the diagrams

2) the PAR charts for other fixtures appears to be the same? I was looking at a monstrous 150x3W panel and the charts were the same as the 4G?

The more people know the better chance you might have in finding more buyers which is why I'm asking.


This is the Response I got back from them :

The PAR Chart, which depends on the quantity of the led chips, also what kind of LED chips you use. The bridgelux only with PAR value 80-90% of Cree led. So of course, the 150x3W with high PAR value than 48x3w. Our 3g 150x3W only can use Bridgelux led, I recommend you use the Cree led; I do not hope you will be disappointed when you get the bridgelux unit.

[TaioneReefer]

I recall dealing with these guys for 3G in the past,for your information check and see if the full 100% power even come close to what the led are rated for.In my opinion its a shame that these arrays are made without giving the proper power to these led.On a second note they could have it more powered but will cost you more.Just my 2ct:biggrin:


here is the response:

Our 3 watt led chips working 2 watt, so 48x3w with full power of 96 watt, can up to 100 watt.

Is Cree led, XPG R5 white and XPE D3 blue, best spectrums of Cree series.

Lens of 30, 60 and 90 degree, which is optional.

The colors are also optional, some special colors need to pay extra.

Lumens: Blue 455nm 20-30 lm/ piece; White 12000K 100-120 lm/piece, which can check in the Cree.com.

The 48x3w with programmable controller, which with function of dimmer and timer, so you do not need to buy timers.

[eli@fijireefrock.com]

For what its worth here is some of the conversation that went on between peter a sales rep and my self.

Peter : 18:17:02
Welcome to E.shine Systems.
Peter : 18:17:15
hi
I: 18:17:19
hello
Peter : 18:18:02
what kind of LED array you need?
I: 18:18:39
to go over my tank of 6ft by 30" deep
I: 18:18:56
can I have any array only in white
Peter : 18:19:15
yes, no problem
I: 18:19:36
what is the amperage these light run at full
I: 18:20:51
on any array you carry these LED run at full blast 1500ma or 1000 ma or lower
Peter : 18:21:07
700-750m
I: 18:21:32
can i have them to run at 1500ma or and 1000ma
Peter : 18:22:24
yes, but too high not good for the leds
Peter : 18:22:27
yes, but too high not good for the leds
Peter : 18:22:29
the warranty can not be 3 years
I: 18:23:17
what would the problem be is it the fans or the array cannot handle that power
Peter : 18:24:15
no, is the leds, high ma will hurt the leds
I: 18:24:28
are these cree
Peter : 18:25:00
we have cree and bridgelux
I: 18:25:40
with cree whites should be able to run 1500ma and royal blue should run at 1000ma
Peter : 18:25:44
is optional
Peter : 18:26:00
yes, I know
Peter : 18:26:20
but we do not recommend use so high
I: 18:27:08
I know I ask simply because I build an array of cree and running them at full blast but with an AC fan
I: 18:27:19
for 1.5 years now
I: 18:27:41
as I like to use most of the power the led could offer
Peter : 18:28:42
ok
Peter : 18:28:54
ok
Peter : 18:29:29
ok
I: 18:30:05
do you use a mix of cree and bridgelox in every array or is it my choice
Peter : 18:30:29
you need high mA,I can ask my engineers to adjust it
Peter : 18:30:31
you need high mA,I can ask my engineers to adjust it
Peter : 18:30:39
you need high mA,I can ask my engineers to adjust it
I: 18:30:50
give me some pricing
Peter : 18:31:28
is your choice
Peter : 18:31:36
is your choice
I: 18:31:56
I haven't cheked the entire webpage yet
Peter : 18:32:00
which one?
I: 18:32:06
what is 3g and 4g
Peter : 18:32:32
which one?
I: 18:32:56
under aqua I see 3G AND 4G
Peter : 18:34:17
yes, 3g is the 3 generation
Peter : 18:34:22
4g is new
I: 18:34:45
what is the difference as there is nothing on the webpage
Peter : 18:35:03
can I have your email?
I: 18:35:32
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Peter : 18:35:42
yes, 3g is the 3 generation
Peter : 18:35:46
4g is new
I: 18:35:50
I like some bulk pricing on all your arrays
I: 18:36:00
and one more question
Peter : 18:36:01
yes, 3g is the 3 generation
Peter : 18:36:04
4g is new
I: 18:36:19
could you add 405Mw LED
I: 18:36:32
thats near violet lighting
Peter : 18:36:37
different material and design
Peter : 18:36:40
different material and design
Peter : 18:36:41
4g with better heat solution
Peter : 18:36:41
ok
Peter : 18:36:42
4g with better heat solution
Peter : 18:36:42
ok
Peter : 18:36:42
different material and design
Peter : 18:37:22
yes
I: 18:37:28
........ETC...................
I: 18:41:57
price on all that and email me back as this would be thankfull
Peter : 18:42:12
is ok
Peter : 18:42:38
but how many watt you need?
Peter : 18:42:41
but how many watt you need?
Peter : 18:42:55
50 watt or 100 watt?
I: 18:43:02
you mean each lamp
I: 18:43:11
would be the 3w ones
I: 18:43:29
unless you could go hIgher
Peter : 18:43:53
yes, each lamp
Peter : 18:43:55
3 watt is ok
Peter : 18:43:57
yes, each lamp
I: 18:44:26
on the xxxnm would be nice to get the 5w
Peter : 18:44:50
we just use 3watt now
I: 18:45:11
thats fine
Peter : 18:45:40
thanks
I: 18:45:44
do you have any in Canada or the USA
Peter : 18:45:57
reseller?
I: 18:46:12
yes
Peter : 18:46:32
yes, of course
I: 18:46:41
who in Canada
Peter : 18:47:00
do you like to be our reseller?
I: 18:47:28
yes only if your product is what you say
Peter : 18:48:04
yes, we are factory, can give competitive price to you
I: 18:48:36
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I: 18:48:44
and do xxxxxxxselling
Peter : 18:48:54
is good
Peter : 18:49:05
thanks
I: 18:49:10
as I am axxxxxxxxx
Peter : 18:49:26
looking forward to working with you
Peter : 18:49:32
oh, I see
I: 18:49:34
same here
Peter : 18:49:37
great
I: 18:49:41
I await the email
I: 18:49:51
cheers and nice talking to you
Peter : 18:50:39
is my pleaure
Peter : 18:50:51
will send the email to you
Peter : 18:51:15
you need to tell me which light you need, then I can quote to you
Peter : 18:53:08
ok xxxxxxI: 18:54:23
ok I will email you tonight
Peter : 18:54:40
ok, no problem
Peter : 21:16:40
hi friend
Peter : 21:17:16
I have sent email to you, have you got it?
I: 21:49:58
yes I received it
Peter : 21:50:21
good
I: 21:51:41
from looking at the specs the highest current is 0.6 amps as I am looking for a 1000 ma and 1500 ma
I: 21:51:52
is that duable
Peter : 21:52:35
yes, duable
I: 21:53:00
ok then price me on the following
I: 21:53:09
3G and 4g
Peter : 21:53:15
can adjust the mA
Peter : 21:53:16
ok
I: 21:53:21
how about dimming capability
Peter : 21:54:11
some is dimmable
I: 21:54:28
what kind of dimming
I: 21:54:39
manual or programmable
Peter : 21:55:03
manual and programmable
I: 21:55:36
witch are dimmable
Peter : 21:56:04
4g 48x3w programmable 24x3w manual
Peter : 21:56:19
3g cree 60watt and washer
I: 21:57:50
how about the 4g 168X3w
Peter : 21:58:30
no, is not finished
Peter : 21:58:44
but can not dim
Peter : 21:58:51
do you like it?
Peter : 21:59:04
we have one wireless controller
I: 21:59:14
but have to wait FEB
I: 22:00:14
until then I am sure I could move some of the other ones you have in stock
I: 22:00:25
max ma and dimmables
I: 22:00:46
are all 4g not available yet
Peter : 22:00:46
ok
Peter : 22:01:03
the 12x3w to 48x3w is ok
Peter : 22:01:06
Mould -1
Peter : 22:01:18
the Mould-2 will finish in Feb
Peter : 22:01:28
we have sample are testing now
I: 22:01:56
how about the 60X3w
Peter : 22:02:24
now, the supplier did not send the material to us now
Peter : 22:02:36
we can make it, but without material
I: 22:03:02
ok is anyone doing testing in Canada
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Peter : 22:03:44
yes, some just the 48x3w or 36x3w
Peter : 22:03:51
is ok
Peter : 22:04:05
we sell many to US
Peter : 22:04:14
CA is less than US
Peter : 22:04:23
xxxxxxx
I: 22:04:34
xxxxxx
I: 22:04:40
so what is the offer
Peter : 22:04:53
yes, I think I can help you
Peter : 22:05:33
what info you like to know
I: 22:06:51
if you could give me full ma cree with a mix of blue white and violet in one array and be dimmable I think there is a market for it in Canada
Peter : 22:07:49
you just add the violet to your lights are ok
I: 22:08:04
how do you mean
Peter : 22:09:02
I mean if you like your lights with blue, white and violet, you just add the some violet to the lights when you order, we will do that for you
Peter : 22:09:11
you need the UV?
I: 22:09:35
not 380 nm its the 425 nm
I: 22:09:44
uv is 380nm
Peter : 22:09:53
425nm is ok
Peter : 22:10:04
UV is 380-420nm
I: 22:10:20
ok
Peter : 22:10:44
thanks
I: 22:10:44
so what would a 48X3w cost on a scale
Peter : 22:11:09
how many?
I: 22:11:19
of course with max of 1500ma using cree and fully dimmable
I: 22:12:01
give $ on 1 unit xx units xxx units and a xxxx units
Peter : 22:12:02
1500ma, I need to talk our engineers first
I: 22:12:10
ok
Peter : 22:12:41
with programmable controller?
I: 22:12:48
yes
Peter : 22:12:53
ok
Peter : 22:13:25
1-$$$usd
Peter : 22:13:33
10-$$$usd
Peter : 22:13:47
40-$$$usd
Peter : 22:14:00
100-$$$USD
I: 22:23:43
with those pricing you are the same some of the companies are out there
I: 22:23:53
we need a wow array
Peter : 22:24:33
yes?
Peter : 22:25:28
this is the lowest price
Peter : 22:25:55
Peter : 22:26:25
if we can sell lower, we will
Peter : 22:26:38
we know the competitive is hardxxxxetcxxxxx and so no and on and on:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[gobytron]

That makes me nervous...

I am interested though.

[dwerbs87]

I need to get 2 of the 50 watt grow lights. Would I be able to order those with you?

[alcoolaid]

"I can ask my engineers to adjust it" that's awesome lol

[reeferdano]

I received 2 eshine 48-3 Cree with controllers for my 72 gal bow front. After trying to work through problems with the controllers, I have mixed feelings about the company.

Peter at eshine was pleasant to deal with until I informed him that one of the lights does not go all the way off. He explained that this is because some people reported what he called "leakage" which I assume he means electrical. Scary. He explained that they now ground their lights differently but this causes the lights to stay slightly on when they are turned off? Half my tank is lit at night while the other half is dark. I could live with this if both were the same but Peter thinks it is acceptable as is.

The second controller had some physical damage to the casing (no biggy) but that unit does go all the way off when I turn it off. He says the difference between the two is because they were built by different individuals?

He blamed the shipper for the damage to the one casing although the box was in perfect condition, and he is not prepared to do anything about the (staying on) problem with the other unit. He actually left me with a "crying" happy face icon at the end of our last discussion.

I am now faced with having to deal with 'service' and will post their response. I knew I was taking a risk in ordering from China but I hoped to write a good review. I saved all the before and after-sale discussions should anyone want to read them.

Bottom line. Love the lights, hate the after-sale service.