rodi automatic shut off

[pirate]

Well I finnaly got my kitchen back toghter and now am running the rodi hoses to my fresh water tank. But I have run into some problems.

I bought a coralife pure-floII float and automatic shutoff valve kit, and I will be using a buckeye field supply rodi. I think I have the correct hoses picked out as 1 set of them should be the rodi water going from the rodi to the float valve, and the other one should be the one going into the di filter from the last stage of filtration, but I can't seem to make the waste water stop flowing.


I have the whole thing sitting on the kitchen floor besides of the sink so I'm not making to big of a mess but still......

But still I have a couple of questions, have I choosen the right hoses? Since the instructions are hard to understand and the pictures suck, inside of the valve (when looking threw it) one is unrestricted ( you can see threw it) and the other has some kind of blockage ( can't see threw it) witch one is the rodi water going to the tank? I have swapped the hose from top to bottom and all I semed to do is stop making rodi water but not the waste. ( I think rodi water is the straight threw one)

I have installed the check valve in the di canister. The water pressure gauge on the rodi reads 55-60 psi, when I have it up and running while I'm messing around with it.


I'm not sure what I have done wrong, I can try and upload some pics it that helps but that wont be till tomorrow.

Thanks

[hillegom]

Try the link below, page 8 I think. Check your plumbing to this one. Your DI should be where it says 5th stage

http://www.watergeneral.com/support/pdf/RO585.pdf
I do not have this system, I just use this link for clarity

[gregzz4]

hillegom to the rescue again :mrgreen:
My barrel is full tonight and the RO shut down on it's own. I will be keeping the supply line off when not in use, but it's nice to have everything working right.

[pirate]

So I played around with it a buch and I found I had a couple of leaks at the unions, tried tightening it but they would no stop leaking. So i returned it and got a different one. Now I have a Kent marine one. Much easier to set up and does not leak but it still will not shut off the waste water.
So is there something funny about the buckeye rodi? I keep moving parts around all over bu nothing seems to stop it. So what have I done wrong?
I followed hillegom's link and I had mine set up the same way, as far as I could tell.
So now I am almost at the point of going out and buying a new rodi set up with the auto shut off already installed unless I figure this thing out.
Is there any other things I need to look at or buy to make this thing work?
Thanks

[hillegom]

could you post a few pics with all plumbing showing?

[sphelps]

if your auto shut off uses a solenoid and pressure switch then your water pressure may not be high enough to trigger the shut off. The solenoid valve also has to be installed before the RO membrane. But typical auto shut offs do not use solenoids.

This a typical auto shut off:
http://images.uptilo.com/buydirectfilters/33C97861-BCAD-4B4D-9895-F6A735F6CEC7.jpg

Installed like this:
http://www.waterfilters.net/assets/images/more-filter-images/ASOV-RO-System.jpg

BRS also has a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssa6njb5nV4

[pirate]

I'm trying to get pictures up right now. I had the one that is pictured but it would not work, and now I have a solenoid type one. The pressure gauge I have on the rodi says I have 40-50 psi depending on what's happing, if I got the float valve held up I can almost get 50 psi. How much do I need for a solenoid type, verus the other type?

[sphelps]

if you had the typical one before chances are you didn't have it plumbed right, they can be tricky. For the solenoid remove it but keep the pressure switch installed and see if it closes when the pressure build up. Again I'm guessing not installed in the right spot so I'll wait for pictures.

[pirate]

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/picture.php?pictureid=5140&albumid=671&dl=1326761757&thumb=1 (http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=671&pictureid=5140)http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/picture.php?pictureid=5143&albumid=671&dl=1326761852&thumb=1 (http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=671&pictureid=5143)http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/picture.php?pictureid=5142&albumid=671&dl=1326761757&thumb=1 (http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=671&pictureid=5142)http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/picture.php?pictureid=5141&albumid=671&dl=1326761757&thumb=1 (http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=671&pictureid=5141)http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=671&pictureid=5143
Im not sure if this is gonna work. I always have a hard time getting pics to show. So i linked one of them to my canreef album.

[pirate]

since it worked I'll try it again
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/picture.php?pictureid=5140&albumid=671&dl=1326761757&thumb=1 (http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=671&pictureid=5140)
The whole thing sorry its backwards stupid iphone.
So the filtered water goes into the cartage (as you look at it) on the left (square box that came with the kent marine shutoff).
Then the water exits on the rightinto the white line that tee into the and continues to the other end of the shutoff and tee into the blue line that becomes my top off water.
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/picture.php?pictureid=5143&albumid=671&dl=1326761852&thumb=1 (http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=671&pictureid=5143)
A better view of the left hand side.
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/picture.php?pictureid=5142&albumid=671&dl=1326761757&thumb=1 (http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=671&pictureid=5142)
better view of the right hand side
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/picture.php?pictureid=5141&albumid=671&dl=1326761757&thumb=1 (http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/album.php?albumid=671&pictureid=5141)
again the left hand side but more of the water line going in. It tee into a pressure gauge and then into the cartirge.

sorry for not being able to make them better but if you need something to help you see them I can retake them

[pirate]

As I study the picture I had the previous one hooked up that way and no luck either, at least it looked that way without the pressure tank. |I had the most amount of luck when I had the shut off hooked up to the waste line,I had it pulsing but that was it. But if i don't have the water pressure to shutoff the solonide where can I buy just a plain shut off valve like the one pictured?

[pirate]

Well I've continued playing with it. And I hooked up the waste line to the float switch and it still will not shut off. And the pressure gauge reads 52-54 i don't have any leaks that I can find but I hear a sound like air/water rushing past something, and it's an internal type of noise so I think I might have an air issue. Any other things I should look at?

[sphelps]

You need to find out what the pressure is after the membrane where the pressure switch is tied into. The gauge reads the pressure before the membrane and therefore isn't relative to what the switch is actually getting. Tie in the pressure gauge temporarily at the same point the switch ties in.

Also is there a flow restrictor and check valve on the waste line?

[pirate]

I think I have the check valve on the waste line but not 100% sure been moving too many fittings lately. I'll move the gauge over as well and see what I have on that line. And I'll post up that info.
Thanks

[hillegom]

Here is a flow diagram with a pressure switch and a solenoid.
http://www.watergeneral.com/support/pdf/pump%20instruction2.pdf
Because you have some of your plumbing behind and underneath the pic, I cannot figure out where everything is.
Hope the link helps

[pirate]

Ok I check all the fittings and moved the check valve/restrictor to the waste line as well as the pressure gauge to the rodi water. I have 40-42 psi with the float valve held up. I'm starting to think there is something wrone with the ro canister. Even when I hook it up to the waste line it still will not shut off and that one has 50 psi when closed.
I'm starting to think I need to buy a new one that is already set up, and sell this one. I feel that I am running out of time to be playing with this one.
There are only 2 lines that you could not see 1 comes from the filters and heads up and the other leaves the ro and goes down to the di filter and then it's on to the tank.

[Buckeye Field Supply]

Looks like you have the ASOV plumbed correctly. Do you have a check valve in the permeate port on the RO housing?

Russ

[Buckeye Field Supply]

if your auto shut off uses a solenoid and pressure switch then your water pressure may not be high enough to trigger the shut off. The solenoid valve also has to be installed before the RO membrane. But typical auto shut offs do not use solenoids.

This a typical auto shut off:
http://images.uptilo.com/buydirectfilters/33C97861-BCAD-4B4D-9895-F6A735F6CEC7.jpg

Installed like this:
http://www.waterfilters.net/assets/images/more-filter-images/ASOV-RO-System.jpg

BRS also has a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssa6njb5nV4

Yeow! This type of shut off valve shown here IS NOT plumbed as shown in the diagram above.

Russ

[Buckeye Field Supply]

Pirate - seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread - if you'd like give us a call when you are in front of your system we'll get it squared away.

Russ
513-312-2343

[mike31154]

Never been able to get mine working reliably either. I've basically given up & only make water when I'm home to monitor what's going on. I realize that's not a luxury everyone has, but with a little planning, it works for me. Just can't get myself to trust these little ASO valves. They are pretty simple & should work, just a diaphragm in there that is supposed to work on differential pressure. I can't afford a flood in my basement & don't like wasting water, so wouldn't trust it even if it did work... some times.

[hillegom]

Never been able to get mine working reliably either. I've basically given up & only make water when I'm home to monitor what's going on. I realize that's not a luxury everyone has, but with a little planning, it works for me. Just can't get myself to trust these little ASO valves. They are pretty simple & should work, just a diaphragm in there that is supposed to work on differential pressure. I can't afford a flood in my basement & don't like wasting water, so wouldn't trust it even if it did work... some times.

Mine works flawlessly. But it still uses 4x the waste than I would like to have it.
Maybe you need a new ASOV

[sphelps]

Yeow! This type of shut off valve shown here IS NOT plumbed as shown in the diagram above.

Russ

Actually there are two types, one type is plumbed as shown in the diagram the other is plumbed as shown in the video, the respective in/outs are typically labeled but either way the lines you tap into are the same.

[pirate]

Russ - ill give you guys a call when I'm on my days off.

Mike31154 - if I figur out what's wrong with mine I'll let you know.

There seems to be a couple of different asov I had the one in the shown with 4 ports on it and the one I have set up now is a kent and it has 3. Same idea different layout.

I have yet to fill up my holding tank as then I can't move it. I was hoping to get it up and running for a few weeks before I head out on holidays, and leave it running while I'm gone. Plus I don't want a water fall coming down the steps when I forget that I'm making water. I'd do that the first time I think.

Thanks for all the help and ideas guys keep them coming.

[mike31154]

Even if you get it working, I'd advise against leaving any RODI system running while away for an extended period. Disaster waiting to happen, unless you have someone looking in from time to time or have it set up so that any leaks will go down a drain. Be prepared for a hefty water bill.

Fairly certain that the issue with mine is the ASOV, but I'm not going to bother trying to troubleshoot or replace the damned thing. I'll just keep shutting off manually when I'm done. But thanks, I will certainly be interested in finding out what's up with yours.

[lastlight]

I've got a brand new valve and have never gotten around to installing it. I know roughly how long I need to run things and set myself an obnoxious timer. I prefer to play it safe!

There have been a couple times I've forgotten about the timer and have been away from the house when it went off. This was before I got float valves installed on the containers so I had to haul it home fast.

[Buckeye Field Supply]

If the hydraulic shut off valves don't float your boat, there's always a pressure switch, transformer, and solenoid. Works very well.

Russ

[pirate]

If I can't get this to work then I'll probley look into one of those. I need to do my homework on them before I go and buy one.