Keeping a dwarf lionfish

[tang daddy]

I need some experiences here on these fish as I am thinking of setting up a fowler for a Fu manchu. Has anyone kept these for a long time, if so what did you feed them, do they accept market food readily?

I am planning on keeping 1 in a 50g breeder, and possibly adding 1 or 2 tankmates later on. There will be no skimming on this tank so it will be weekly waterchanges.


Thanks in advance

[shootingstar]

I need some experiences here on these fish as I am thinking of setting up a fowler for a Fu manchu. Has anyone kept these for a long time, if so what did you feed them, do they accept market food readily?

I am planning on keeping 1 in a 50g breeder, and possibly adding 1 or 2 tankmates later on. There will be no skimming on this tank so it will be weekly waterchanges.


Thanks in advance

Years back I had a dwarf zebra.
It takes work to train them to take frozen food.

And you will always have to present it as if it was live-ish food.

There are two main camps in terms of feeding.
Feed once or twice per week a large meal
or
Feed daily a very small meal

After much reading I chose the second camp, a daily fed lion is a safer lion.

If you only feed once to twice a week you have a higher risk of him eating a tank-mate.

They are gulp-eaters and most die (it seems) from gut-blockages.

[tang daddy]

Thanks for the advice, I was thinking of feeding 2-3 times a week little amounts. Since these dwarf lions aren't like their cousins the volitans they don't require as much food. I was curious tho as some reefers have had success keeping these in their reef for a long time. Most of the ones that show up in stores don't accept live food and if they do they are sold pretty fast. I don't want to buy one a kill it because it doesn't accept food, wanted to hear some more experiences before taking the leap!

[Hustler]

I would really like to try one out aswell :)
I didnt know they were prone to dying so easy??? Ive seen the larger ones 6 years plus...

[sphelps]

The Fu-mans are the harder ones to keep out of the dawrfs, just so you know, might be best to try a different one first and see how you do first. You can keep multiple lions in the same tank.

As for feeding, ghost shrimp works best IME for training. Get yourself a pair of long forceps like these:
http://shop.thereef-aquatics.co.uk/WebRoot/Store3/Shops/es136511/4C5F/B924/2041/C2CD/7764/0A0F/110C/1DE4/Forceps_m.png
Then grab the live shrimp with them and try feeding the lion. At first you may have to drop the shrimp close to the lion but always try to get them to eat right off the tongs. Once they do that they will start to recognize the longs as a food source and eat anything off them. Maintaining this will also keep the lion trained to be target fed only and it will make feeding other tank mates easier and prevent competition and "accidents" from occurring.

Using a small tank or QT setup with no tank mates and little rock is best until they are properly trained.

I'll also note I personally avoid/disagree with the common idea of just dumping in Mollys or other feeder fish in the tank with them, it teaches them nothing. You could use the tongs with live fish but I've always had better luck with ghost shrimp. Which btw can be purchased from Petsmart for $.99 each, just don't mention what they are for as some employees can be a little sensitive ;)

Here's a pic of the last couple lions I had back in Sask:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/sphelps/Fish/June2010_2.jpg

I wouldn't recommend the horses as tank mates, I had them all trained a certain way prior to being introduced together.

[Ian]

Had a dwarf for 3 years and it was an awesome eater for the entire time. Loved mysis and any other frozen food I gave it. Never knew what killed it but it was an adult when I got him so maybe old age. easy to keep for me but maybe I just got lucky.

[fishoholic]

The Fu-mans are the harder ones to keep out of the dawrfs, just so you know, might be best to try a different one first and see how you do first.

Agreed, if you really want at fu-man try to buy one that's already eating frozen. The first fu-man I ever tried had not been trained to eat frozen and despite my best efforts I couldn't get him to eat and he died after a week. The second fu-man I got, Ken from Blue World (here in Edmonton), trained it to eat frozen silversides before I bought it. That was back in March 2010 and he's been with me and doing well ever since :biggrin: Mine eats mostly PE mysis now and krill every now and then and once in awhile he'll eat part of a silverside.

You can keep multiple lions in the same tank.


Not 100% sure on that, I bought a red fuzzy dwarf lionfish to put with my fu-man and while I never saw them "fight" or anything I found my red fuzzy dwarf dried up on the floor 2 months after getting him :sad: The other tankmates that are in there is a small cowfish, leopard wrasse, and a mystery wrasse. The mystery wrasse is pretty small still and while I've seen him chase my leopard wrasse once in awhile I can't see him chasing a lionfish out of the tank. They are in a 80g tank.

Some tankmates I don't recommend to have with a dwarf lionfish are: frogfish (my fu-man kills them) and toby puffers or lunare wrasses (they will nip the lionfish's fins).

Here's my guy
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii53/Laurie_Morin/Nikon%203100/DSC_0093.jpg

[tang daddy]

Shelps and fishoholic, thanks for the excellent advice and first hand experiences... I have always envied shelps pics of his fumanchu in his reef tank and from that point have wanted one.

I saw a Fu manchu at Jl and really wanted to take the guy home but because he wasn't eating I didn't want to kill it in a week... I am hoping that I can get ghost shrimps and make sure he eats it before bringing it home... I know these guys can be trained aswell, although the dwarfs tend to be alittle more sensitive to water quality and can take awhile to accept food.


I am also wondering how they catch these fish because in the wild they mostly hide and come out at night as they are nocturnal hunters.

[sphelps]

While I suppose not all lions are the same I would still conclude an aggressive one to be rare and not typical. I've kept many lions and always together with various tank makes including other lions, frogfish and other scorpions. In addition many others do the same and you'll even often see multiple lions in one tank at the LFS. I've never seen territorial or real aggression behavior from a lion, it's always protective in the form of pointing or waving fins at approaching threats, this is especially true of the Fu-man.

Click here for video (http://www.facebook.com/v/68286609531)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/sphelps/Sept%203%202008/DSC_1305.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/sphelps/new%20tank/DSC_3931.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/sphelps/new%20tank/Jan%202010/Seahorse_5.jpg

[JTang]

Hey Chris, I'm hoping to do the same with my 46 bowfront... dwarf lion, puffer, eel, trigger - the ones that dont fit in the reef tank.

sphelps: That's my dream tank! Great Work! (I didn't know you can keep a lion/eel with a seahorse??? I thought seahorses r very sensitive n fragile...)

[paddyob]

In the first pic the white lines around the fish make it appear super imposed or photo shopped. Kinda funny.

Do much editing?


While I suppose not all lions are the same I would still conclude an aggressive one to be rare and not typical. I've kept many lions and always together with various tank makes including other lions, frogfish and other scorpions. In addition many others do the same and you'll even often see multiple lions in one tank at the LFS. I've never seen territorial or real aggression behavior from a lion, it's always protective in the form of pointing or waving fins at approaching threats, this is especially true of the Fu-man.



Click here for video (http://www.facebook.com/v/68286609531)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/sphelps/Sept%203%202008/DSC_1305.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/sphelps/new%20tank/DSC_3931.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/sphelps/new%20tank/Jan%202010/Seahorse_5.jpg

[The Grizz]

I have a Fuzzy Dwarf Lion in my FOWLR with a couple Triggers, couple Puffers, couple Damsels and a trio of Clowns.

It was not eating anything at all for the first week or so but it really got hungry finally, My FOWLR residents all really like krill & silversides all chopped up.

I dump about a half ounce or so into the tank and the Lion finds what he wants & sucks it back.

The funnest was when the lion & my Valentini Puffer where tracking the same piece of krill. The lion won the food but the puffer gave the lion a one heck of a headbutt, rammed right into the lion right in the mouth. Now at feeding time the puffers and lion are on different sides of the tank.

[whatcaneyedo]

I got mine in 2009 from a LFS that had already taught it to eat frozen. For the last three years I've been feeding it silversides or krill every second day by mounting them into the end of a length of hollow acrylic rod.

Why don't you want to put a skimmer on your FOWLR?

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh109/whatcaneyedo/Picture1338.jpg

[tang daddy]

I got mine in 2009 from a LFS that had already taught it to eat frozen. For the last three years I've been feeding it silversides or krill every second day by mounting them into the end of a length of hollow acrylic rod.

Why don't you want to put a skimmer on your FOWLR?

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh109/whatcaneyedo/Picture1338.jpg

Very nice fish, the reason why I don't want to add a skimmer is because the 50g breeder has limited space. 1/3 is the overflow and the rest is the display, the tank is not drilled for a sump and sits against the wall so it can be viewed as a peninsula (3 sides of viewing)

I use to have a tunze 9002 on it previously but found it hardly did any skimming and because the overflow side water fluctuates it would cause the skimmer to overflow or act up and also I had alot of microbubbles in the display. The skimmer cup would need to be emptied every 2-3 days. Doing 10g waterchange weekly is gonna be alot easier for me.

I bought a volitan lionfish yesterday, it is very small at about 2.5", I am waiting for a healthy Fu man chu to come in then I will trade this guy in!

[Cubeman]

Paul's Aquarium in Surrey sells saltwater mollies. Would these easy to breed livebearers be a good food source?

[2bafish]

I've got 2 volitans and 2 dwarf zebra lions. Neither of them eats frozen foods. I've tried everything but i always give in to live food after them not eating for a month.

[bluerockz]

Paul's Aquarium in Surrey sells saltwater mollies. Would these easy to breed livebearers be a good food source?

I was wondering that too if feeding them live mollies is a proper food source

[tang daddy]

Ive had a high fin dwarf for a couple months now....I am glad it readily took shrimp as it makes it easy for me to feed him 3 times a week.

[Mandosh]

high fin dwarf? Do you have a pic?

[Bugsy]

Hello Chris,

I had a dwarf lionfish a few years back. It came to me on frozen foods but.... it was sure not easy to feed. Although it did eat the varieties I fed it I had him for just about 1 year and then he died. Beautiful fish very hard to keep in my opinion.

:biggrin:

[tang daddy]

I have a crappy cell phone pic but don't know how to post it....Maybe if I sent it to a member they could help me??

[Mandosh]

Here you go Chris...

http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/mandosh86/imagejpeg_2.jpg

Looks like a Fuzzy Dwarf/Shortfin (Dendrochirus brachypterus)

[badfish!]

He's sweet, I just got one too, I like how he's super stealthy moving about my rocks! Good luck with him

[tang daddy]

Thanks Mandosh for posting a pic, I guess I got the names mixed up abit thanks for clearing it up aswell!

[Ginu]

Very nice fish, the reason why I don't want to add a skimmer is because the 50g breeder has limited space. 1/3 is the overflow and the rest is the display, the tank is not drilled for a sump and sits against the wall so it can be viewed as a peninsula (3 sides of viewing)

I use to have a tunze 9002 on it previously but found it hardly did any skimming and because the overflow side water fluctuates it would cause the skimmer to overflow or act up and also I had alot of microbubbles in the display. The skimmer cup would need to be emptied every 2-3 days. Doing 10g waterchange weekly is gonna be alot easier for me.

I bought a volitan lionfish yesterday, it is very small at about 2.5", I am waiting for a healthy Fu man chu to come in then I will trade this guy in!


Hey I got that 9002 and works like a charm although I modified it and currently waiting on a inTank cup as it is not as tall as the original, so I think it will fit better in the back of the tank.
Once I get a ATO, this thing will work even better as there is some fluctuation, but not much... cant wait for the ATO.