Losers without LED club (Join now!)

[lastlight]

http://www.fishbrains.net/images/97/lwl.jpg

I've been busy reading a lot of LED threads lately and feeling great about not being able to afford any so I thought a club would be super neat.

Pros of being in the club:

- a club is much cheaper than LED (free)
- the club outputs no heat which helps offset your halides
- feel cool being part of the majority
- potential for weight loss, better love life and more*

*no

Cons:

- we're all still losers without LED

Here is the club's mascot:

Ol' Blue is big, a bit noisy and heavier than Kien.

http://www.fishbrains.net/images/solana/ballast.jpg

[Delphinus]

Can I haz join club too?

[parkinsn]

I feel like I would have joined, however I dont like the mascot, it's too bright. Can you make him silver and PFO like?

Are you saying that Kien is loud? Or just little? I think the PFO would be quieter than Kien, but still heavier.

[lastlight]

Can I haz join club too?

I don't recall if you have moonlights. So the answer is MAYBE.

[lastlight]

I think the PFO would be quieter than Kien, but still heavier.

Neither are nearly as loud as Kien. The PFO is currently working. Ol' Blue has lots of free time right now so I signed his metal rear-end up.

[reefwars]

yesssssss im so in...wait now....does a led flashlight count??

[Lance]

I'm in. I can be a loser with the best of them.
The LED people can have their own club Lots of Extra Dough!

[lastlight]

Welcome aboard guys! Maybe if we get a few thousand members we can all chip in a buck or two and then have a draw so one lucky person can leave the club in style?

[Delphinus]

No moonlights here! Maybe it's by moonlighting that people GET to be able to buy LED lighting? Oh the punny irony!

[globaldesigns]

I have moonlights in my fixture... Well HAD, as I took them out in order to gain easy access to cleaning glass and coverings, without removing the whole light fixture from the tank.

CAN I PLEASE JOIN!!!

[lastlight]

This just in: moonlights don't count! Although they better be 1w or less emitters or the members may need to vote?

Welcome!

[wayner]

Big Ol Blue here 2, with Blue bulb.

[Skimmerking]

yup I have joined in 3 lonely IC 250's

[jorjef]

Saskatchewan chapter member signing up.... 48 blistering "super nova" watts of T5 ....OH YAAAA

[lastlight]

Good to see a T5er in our ranks =)

I'm going to suggest you're not AS much of a loser as I am but I still sympathize!

[sphelps]

I have LEDs but they've been in my closet in an unopened shipping box for months. I'm too lazy to put them together so I'm still using a T5 fixture, can I join??

[tinman]

can i join the ranks of the t5's sorry it's all i got.... wait i have an led flashlight ....somewhere..............:redface:

[cwatkins]

If moonlights don't count then I'm in! But maybe only for a short time till I cross the tracks!

[Zarstar]

Hello i have LED's but i just stopped in to say: " I LOVE MY LED's " and they were cheap. $400 for a 55 gal corner tank

[pterfloth]

I guess with 4 x 250 MH and 12 x T5's on just one of my tanks I am a big loser. I'm in!

[The Grizz]

I guess with 4 x 250 MH and 12 x T5's on just one of my tanks I am a big loser. I'm in!

I am a close second with 4 - 250w MH & 8 T5's on one tank & 2 - 250w MH & 4 PC's on another.

[Coleus]

ok i am the biggest loser out here with MH and T5 and just bought the fixture last year when LED was already out.

[Aquattro]

Hello i have LED's but i just stopped in to say: " I LOVE MY LED's " and they were cheap. $400 for a 55 gal corner tank

As a token of my great respect for this club, which I most certainly want to be part of, I can make this post go away if the club so sees fit ....:)

[PoonTang]

OOH can I join too? I have moon light too but they are just the Coralife ones so really they just classify as junk and are not the "REAL" LED's that cost a kidney or first born or something. So I'm still in right? Please?

[kien]

Neither are nearly as loud as Kien.

Word.

I just replaced my old sad and uncool halides with.. Yes you guessed it, new sad and still uncool halides! Now where's my t-shirt beeotches?!

[Aquattro]

Now where's my t-shirt beeotches?!

There's t-shirts??

[Haloreef]

I would like to join this club also! I was looking for something to fill those pesky eleven minutes a day that I have free when I am not doing tank maintanance or feeding dart frogs.
I have 1200 watts of metal halide glory burning over my 30" deep 6' tank.
It's nice to be able to grow acros right to the bottom of my tank.
I have never taken the time to add up all of the T 5's over my dart frogs but with 14 tanks I'm sure it adds up.
Do I qualfy?
I need an XL t-shirt please!
Keith.

[jorjef]

There's t-shirts??

If there is I want the number 48 on mine. Matches my watts .... deep hey!

[lastlight]

Hello i have LED's but i just stopped in to say: " I LOVE MY LED's " and they were cheap. $400 for a 55 gal corner tank

It's not my current tank I looked into lighting it's a 400. So multiply that by 8 or so and fire me a down payment!

As a token of my great respect for this club, which I most certainly want to be part of, I can make this post go away if the club so sees fit ....:)

We don't want to be too aggressive Brad. He may run back with his tail between his legs soon enough you never know...

Word.

I just replaced my old sad and uncool halides with.. Yes you guessed it, new sad and still uncool halides! Now where's my t-shirt beeotches?!

I did the shirt thing go dig one of those up lol. I do however have a drawer of kids tattoos with spiderman, dora, winnie the poo and more on them. We could maybe fire up some spirit that way?

[Parker]

Oh! Oh Oh! *waving hands frantically*

Can I join? I've never been allowed to hang with the cool kids before!

[Doug]

:lol: You guys are to funny. And no, I not joining.......:lol:

[don.ald]

Oh! Oh Oh! *waving hands frantically*

Can I join? I've never been allowed to hang with the cool kids before!

LED's are cool, MH and T5's are HOT.
*just sayin*:wink:

[kien]

I did the shirt thing go dig one of those up lol. I do however have a drawer of kids tattoos with spiderman, dora, winnie the poo and more on them. We could maybe fire up some spirit that way?

In the true spirit of this club what you should do is draw up a design and post it to the forum. This way the members can simply download it, print it to iron on sheets and iron their own damn t-shirts. You know, all old skool and ghetto and stuff 'cuz that's how we rollz!

[Delphinus]

Or in the case of those who don't have irons, just hold the tshirt up to your halides with the sheet in between and get transference that way...

[gobytron]

I just want to actually pass on my sympathies to those who have paid the high price of being in early on a new technology or fad...

LEDs are getting alot cheaper every other model.

You may not feel cool now, but when models in a few years have twice the features for half the price, you will certainly feel like you've regained some of your esteem.

[Aquattro]

Or in the case of those who don't have irons, just hold the tshirt up to your halides with the sheet in between and get transference that way...

Zactly! Try that with a LED. Not gonna happen

[Haloreef]

I like the way my Halides give me a great "Reef Farmers Tan" (just the back of my neck) all year round... it helps me stand out in a crowd.
It also makes it easy to pick out the other losers!
Keith.

[lastlight]

Or in the case of those who don't have irons, just hold the tshirt up to your halides with the sheet in between and get transference that way...

Haha! Now that really is a unique new use for halides.

Great to see such a turnout so far.

I'd like to add that we fully welcome previous Solaris owners. Please come grieve!

[lastlight]

Seeing a lot of ballasts for sale in the forums. Now I don't wanna jump to conclusions and get my hate on so I'm just going to assume they're upgrading to HEAVIER, HOTTER and NOISIER ballasts.

*thumbs up*

[lastlight]

I like the way my Halides give me a great "Reef Farmers Tan" (just the back of my neck) all year round... it helps me stand out in a crowd.
It also makes it easy to pick out the other losers!
Keith.

Careful Keith some may actually BE farmers :lol:

[jorjef]

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=77821


Maybe we should arrange an intervention for this fella...May not be as expensive as a "brand name" but we could save him from hours of frustration....

[christyf5]

I'm in. You'll have to pry the halides from my cold dead hands :razz:

[lastlight]

You just know Dez is kicking himself now for selling his halides. Being a loser has never felt so cool.

[SeaHorse_Fanatic]

I'm in. You'll have to pry the halides from my cold dead hands :razz:

Don't you mean HOT dead hands?:wink:

I'd like to join to please. Never had an LED fixture, just moonlights, so I guess I'm HOT (not cool).

Been a loser all my life. Just wanna make it official by joining THE club:biggrin:

[fishoholic]

This club just got cooler because I decided to join :mrgreen: MH and T5's here

[Chowder]

LOSERS...........









I do have three 250W Halides but the attinic is supplied by two ecotech panaramas .


Chris

[lastlight]

Where's Brad we need that removed.

My anger's turned up to "hqi" :twised:

[Aquattro]

Where's Brad we need that removed.

My anger's turned up to "hqi" :twised:

what ya need, buddy??

[lastlight]

Chowder's showing a bit of disrespect :biggrin:

[Aquattro]

Chowder's showing a bit of disrespect :biggrin:

Want him banned? Deleted? Want me to make up a whole new post? :)

[lastlight]

Want him banned? Deleted? Want me to make up a whole new post? :)

I want some admin privileges =)

[Aquattro]

I want some admin privileges =)

I want a lot of things I'm not gonna get, I gotta live with it :)

[lastlight]

I want a lot of things I'm not gonna get, I gotta live with it :)

Somehow I see this thread tying in with the Jessica Alba one.

[Aquattro]

Somehow I see this thread tying in with the Jessica Alba one.

Sigh...yes, but we're not gonna go there, k?

[Chowder]

Chowder's showing a bit of disrespect :biggrin:

I said that with no disrespect . This whole thread has been how cool it was to be a loser. So really I was saying you are all cool. I'm just jealous I can't join because I decided to go with LEDS instead of my old T5's for colour.






LOSERS.................

[lastlight]

Oh yeah Losers are somehow cool. Lol I forgot already =)

Ok so you're sorta in the club still?

[Rice Reef]

Cool thread!!! Can I join too? 2x250 halide...Has anyone created a cool avatar for this club?

[lastlight]

Cool thread!!! Can I join too? 2x250 halide...Has anyone created a cool avatar for this club?

I am actually working on something =)

[reefwars]

I am actually working on something =)


do up a few brett and have a vote/poll hehe:)

[lastlight]

do up a few brett and have a vote/poll hehe:)

I'm a bit of a dictator. Here's the new logo =)

http://www.fishbrains.net/images/97/lwl.jpg

[Aquattro]

I'm a bit of a dictator. Here's the new logo =)




I like it!!

[Doug]

I'm a bit of a dictator. Here's the new logo =)

http://www.fishbrains.net/images/97/lwl.jpg


:lol: Thats cool.




By the way. I still own my halides....:smile:

[jorjef]

I hope the executive doesn't pull my membership for the unauthorized use of the clubs logo!! Maybe we could all adopt it as our avatar and roam the site muscling the card carrying fancy boys of the LED club.

[banditpowdercoat]

Presently a member myself. But I will soon be experimenting with Multi Chip LED technology. 20w-60w of LED's in one 1.5" square chip!!!
Time will tell

[reefwars]

Presently a member myself. But I will soon be experimenting with Multi Chip LED technology. 20w-60w of LED's in one 1.5" square chip!!!
Time will tell



uh oh we got a spy;);)

[christyf5]

Love the new logo! Are halides really that noisy? I don't have any fans on mine. LOL, the rest of the tank probably drowns out whatever sounds they might make anyways :razz:

[banditpowdercoat]

uh oh we got a spy;);)

Spy, who me?? LMAO.




More just getting back to Canreef after a little break:twised:

PS, I love my Halides, what I HATE is my $175/month Power Bill!!!! I'm only home 3 wks out of evry 6 too.

[Lance]

Love the new logo! Are halides really that noisy? I don't have any fans on mine. LOL, the rest of the tank probably drowns out whatever sounds they might make anyways :razz:


Fans are a little noisy, but only have them on in August, Sept. My fixture does however, make a loud cracking sound when it cools down. Sounds just like glass breaking. Even though I know what it is I still check the tank every time I hear it. Scared the crap out of me the first time!

[lastlight]

One of Ol' Blue's big brothers is a dual Bluewave 7 ballast. It's actually very loud with it's buzzity-hum thing. My dual PFO is quite a bit better.

Unauthorized use of the logo is encouraged btw!

I'm open to changes to the image (currently an EVIL Sol fixture) and the 3-word slogan so let me know if it needs changing. Maybe the noisey bit is unique to only a few of the old magnetics =)

[banditpowdercoat]

Fans are a little noisy, but only have them on in August, Sept. My fixture does however, make a loud cracking sound when it cools down. Sounds just like glass breaking. Even though I know what it is I still check the tank every time I hear it. Scared the crap out of me the first time!

I got 3 250W MH on my 150 and I got to have fan's on all year round! Tank get's 82+ even in winter if I don't :(

[christyf5]

I've got a single bluewave and dual PFOs. All HQI. I wouldn't trade those beasts for anything :love:

[lastlight]

I've got a single bluewave and dual PFOs. All HQI. I wouldn't trade those beasts for anything :love:

In fairness to the club I proposed a measly 5k lighting budget to my wife for the new tank days before starting the club. I started the club when I regained consciousness from the ass-kicking I received.

Hey I love my M80s too! Long live Radium and excessive mercury content!

[Lance]

I got 3 250W MH on my 150 and I got to have fan's on all year round! Tank get's 82+ even in winter if I don't :(


My old fixture used to be like that. This one dissipates the heat really well. 3x400W MH with 8x39W T5 and the temp never exceeds 80 except in summer when I need a few fans to keep it below 81

[lastlight]

My old fixture used to be like that. This one dissipates the heat really well. 3x400W MH with 8x39W T5 and the temp never exceeds 80 except in summer when I need a few fans to keep it below 81

Yeah but you're like a King amongst the peasants with that rig Lance =) That thing is so nice you almost don't qualify to be a member lol.

[whatcaneyedo]

I don't think my heater ever comes on. There are three 250W Magnetic ballasts on my 230gal system. The tank even heats the house. We don't need to turn the furnace on until the temperature outside starts dropping below freezing and this is an old poorly insulated house.

[Lance]

Yeah but you're like a King amongst the peasants with that rig Lance =) That thing is so nice you almost don't qualify to be a member lol.


No.No.No! This club is for the "LOSERS without LED", and the bigger and brighter the halides, the bigger and brighter the loser!

[The Grizz]

I really would love to be a long time member of this club but the wife says we have to find a way to cut our power bills down. So with that said I will be building LEDS for all my tanks. I have 6 of those huge ass MH light in my large shop but will be changing them to high bay T5's, all our outdoor security MH light are also going to be changed to LEDs. This will take some time to complete the LED change over on the tanks so can I still be a junior member :lol:

[Parker]

My membership will be revolked if I keep buring up ballasts..had another PFO 400 HQI cook last night!

[fishytime]

Is it too late to join???? I wanna be a loser too.... All T5 for me:biggrin:

[lastlight]

Is it too late to join???? I wanna be a loser too.... All T5 for me:biggrin:

How did the testing of the LED unit go at home Doug? I'm a bit hesitant to say 'yes' just yet...:lol:

[fishytime]

Aw c'mon mang!..... It was only on the tank for two days and only because someone couldn't get the programing figured out at the shop.....

[lastlight]

ok you're in. but only because i don't want us to be awkward at the shop. your badge is in the mail =)

[ALang]

I want to be in with the "HOT" crowd, too!
I have the old Coralife Aqualight Pro: 3x250W MH with PC (even better than T-5s for this club!!) just a few puny LEDS for moonlights.
During summer I have to have an extra fan blowing across the fixture to help cool the tank from 84C to 79C. It is a bit noisy, what with the fan on, but my overflow usually drowns out everything:mrgreen:

With my power bills going sky high (just love the 60%+ hike they just implemented), I was also looking at switching. Glad I didn't now, can I be the Treasurer??

Lenny.

[gobytron]

JUST put up an 8X t5 set up...

Im still debating if its better than my DIY canopy with 2X110w VHO (thats right, t12 baby) and 2x250w hamilton reefstars


so far, I think they both suck equally.

[reefwars]

still a proud member:):)

[kien]

RADION

[jorjef]

RADION


INTERLOPER ALERT....INTERLOPERRRRRRRRRRR :biggrin:

[kien]

I'm beginning to feel that threads are worthless unless they have the word 'Radion' in them at least once. Just sayin..

[Brightwhite]

Jus picked up a T5/mh fixture.

Do I get a free name tag or get to learn a special handshake now?

[jorjef]

I'm beginning to feel that threads are worthless unless they have the word 'Radion' in them at least once. Just sayin..



Okay, false alarm

[reefwars]

RADIONRADIONRADIONRADIONRADION
RADIONRADIONRADIONRADION
RADIONRADIONRADIONhttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/2831962519_910e1991b0.jpg

RADIONRADIONRADIONRADIONRADION
RADIONRADIONRADIONRADION

[lastlight]

Kien's on his way out I guess it was inevitable. There was always *something* a little off about the guy and now I can put my finger on it.

[reefwars]

^^^^^^^ what was your first guess lolllll

[cwatkins]

Anyone want to lend me some Radions for a while :lol::lol::lol:

I want to go DIY but the Radion looks sooooooo sweet!

HUMMMMMMMMM.......

[kien]

That's how cool I am, I wear Radions on my freaking head! Eat it!

[Funky_Fish14]

I only have 1x 250w Halide over my semi-cube... and I've only run halides exclusively (no fluorescent ever), for the last... 6 years?

Im burnin' hot over here. I used to have dual 400W over a stock 75g in an enclosed canopy :D

So... m-eye-in?

[MarkoD]

I'm ready to join too. Can we have a protest too?

Occupy......?

[kien]

Still here guys!! :wave:

So how many members have we lost over the past year?

[burgerchow]

Welcome aboard guys! Maybe if we get a few thousand members we can all chip in a buck or two and then have a draw so one lucky person can leave the club in style?

That's funny. Ok I will start with 5 bucks.

Actually my 2 kessil a350s only cost about $900. That's a lot less than I paid for a coralife aqua light pro few years back

[blacknife]

Don't know if i ever joined the club but i still meet the entrance requirements :microwav:

Dont know which is worse.. the fact that the GF's cat broke an almost new RADIUM last week or the fact i let her buy a cat that cost as much as some people's LED's.

I was about to buy a new reflector for it too, not sure now wether to fork out for the new reflector and a new bulb or just use a de bulb in the cheap de fixture i have.

[The Grizz]

I guess my membership has been revoked :cry: 100% LEDs here now.

[Duker]

Bwaaaahaha. Love it. And still loving my halides and the stunning color of my sps!!!

[Aquattro]

I get to stay, Radiums on the frag tank!

[lastlight]

If you've got LED on your primary I'd say we know the current status of your membership brad.

[SeaHorse_Fanatic]

Will be 100% LED over my sw reef tanks by the end of the weekend. So I'm out of the club:cry:

In another few weeks, I'll also be 100% LED over my fw tanks as well (4 sw & 3 fw). Just to rub it in, I'm even switching most of my household lights to LED and my 46" hdtv from LCD to LED. Muahahahahahhaha.

Anthony

It's my OCD taking over again.

[lastlight]

I have yet to see a single sps tank look good under led hdtv!

[MarkoD]

They look good ON an led tv

[freezetyle]

If you've got LED on your primary I'd say we know the current status of your membership brad.

in his defence he still bitches about how much better halides are routinely:lol:

[Aquattro]

in his defence he still bitches about how much better halides are routinely:lol:

And I have a primary tank.....

[SeaHorse_Fanatic]

And I have a primary tank.....

that he'll be supplementing with 400w Radiums:wink:

[ALBERTA REEF]

I'am I in?
http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac48/ALBERTAREEF/IMG_2936.jpg
Giesemann 48" 2-250wMH and 4-T5's. No leds moon lights.
:pray2:

[Leah]

Sometimes ignorant's = bliss.

[Aquattro]

I'am I in?

Giesemann 48" 2-250wMH and 4-T5's. No leds moon lights.
:pray2:

Careful you don't burn those corals!!

[Aquattro]

that he'll be supplementing with 400w Radiums:wink:

No, unless I can supplement with something better, I'm just gonna have to suck it up. Or get rid of the one coral that makes this obvious -lol

[lastlight]

Brad you can be a loser and not be without LEDs. That's about the best we can offer at his time :)

Glad to hear you still have the halides tho. It's never too late to change your mind!

[Aquattro]

Brad you can be a loser and not be without LEDs. That's about the best we can offer at his time :)

Glad to hear you still have the halides tho. It's never too late to change your mind!

I'm better than all of you, I can be a loser without any lights at all!! Uh, wait...n'ermind..

Ya, I've got MH in the basement, the livingroom, kids room, even on my dresser. All over the house, just not on my tank. But I'm finishing the 50g growout tank this weekend, filling it with SPS and hanging a Radium over it.

[lastlight]

And you're gonna love it :)

[lastlight]

You guys need to elect a new president. Sorry about that.

[The Grizz]

You guys need to elect a new president. Sorry about that.

:pound:

[Coleus]

T5 still, baby https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gYb5ODeZUms/UKRj6Ie-GAI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/dkH_SFfMdP4/w668-h501-p-k/2012-11-14

[Snappy]

Still old school here, sign me up.

[kien]

Come to think of it this is an owners clubs not a renters/borrowers club, sorry Kien but I don't make the rules.

doh! I got busted for trying to hang out with the cool kids..again. :cry:

[spit.fire]

I think ill fit in here

4 bulb tek fixture on one tank

72" coralife aqualight with burnt out LEDs on the other

[11purewater]

4 54 watt t-5s,you'll have to pry them from my cold dead hands:biggrin:

[spit.fire]

Wait... Can I still be in this club if I own an led fixture but don't use it?

[kien]

Wait... Can I still be in this club if I own an led fixture but don't use it?

That depends. Which fixture and why are you not using it?

[kien]

my cold dead hands:biggrin:

Warm your hands under the T5s. Can't do that with LEDs, suckas!

[11purewater]

Dam right!

[spit.fire]

That depends. Which fixture and why are you not using it?

Some sort of fancy 144w fixture

Not using it because I like my t5ho

[kien]

Some sort of fancy 144w fixture

Not using it because I like my t5ho

You're in!

[lockrookie]

I may as well join bumping up my fixture from 590w aqua medic to a 1170w halide t5 setup. I may have to invest in a solar battery system lol


Sent from my porcelain aquarium

[kien]

I may as well join bumping up my fixture from 590w aqua medic to a 1170w halide t5 setup. I may have to invest in a solar battery system lol


Sent from my porcelain aquarium

I do have one of those portable iPhone solar chargers that I put under my halides LOL

[kien]

free bump for a good deal!

[Proteus]

Do I get a snazzy badge

[kien]

Do I get a snazzy badge

yes! But you have to print it out yourself. This is the, "losers" without LED club after all.

[Proteus]

Looks like this guys scrap booking tonight.

[thmh]

Can I get a half loser with half led club?

~Tony

[Magickiwi]

Some of my equipment has LED lights as indicators etc. Can I still join your club?

[Proteus]

Ima put led flashers in my badge

[thmh]

Some of my equipment has LED lights as indicators etc. Can I still join your club?

It's losers without led! Shawn..... Go away mh+t5' er!

~Tony

[Magickiwi]

It's losers without led! Shawn..... Go away mh+t5' er!

~Tony

Feeling the love.

[kien]

I believe it was established that auxiliary LEDs like moonlights are permitted. However, primary LEDs, such ones ones used for growing are not permitted. It is clearly in our charter*

*if we had a charter.

[mrhasan]

Can I join? I can assure you no one is as anti-LED as me in this forum :smile:

[kien]

Can I join? I can assure you no one is as anti-LED as me in this forum :smile:

We are not necessarily anti-LED in this club. We just simply do not own LEDs. There's a difference :biggrin:

I don't have LEDs, but I recognize their benefits and can appreciate why someone would want to run LEDs. LEDs are not terribly. They won't crash your tank, they won't make your take look like poop. LEDs work, there are LOTS of nice tanks running LEDs.

[thmh]

So can i get a badge or not?

~Tony

[mrhasan]

We are not necessarily anti-LED in this club. We just simply do not own LEDs. There's a difference :biggrin:

I don't have LEDs, but I recognize their benefits and can appreciate why someone would want to run LEDs. LEDs are not terribly. They won't crash your tank, they won't make your take look like poop. LEDs work, there are LOTS of nice tanks running LEDs.

I appreciate the technology too and LED "IS" the future that is for sure (being an electrical engineer, I love LEDs) and would choose my house lighting with LED instead of CFL. BUT, I am an anti-LED in this hobby because although I dont overlook the benefit of it (dissipates less heat and the no more bulb replacement) but I don't support some of the more stronger claims by many hobbyist like "saves money" and "equivalent replacement of MH". Ofcourse different hobbyist have different preference but don't you think the usual lines of "get an LED, we are in the new era!" is a bit over rated? :P Instead, it should be something like "go with what you like and here are the pros/cons of each type"? Now can I join? :mrgreen:

[kien]

So can i get a badge or not?

~Tony

do you own an LED fixture?

[kien]

I appreciate the technology too and LED "IS" the future that is for sure (being an electrical engineer, I love LEDs) and would choose my house lighting with LED instead of CFL. BUT, I am an anti-LED in this hobby because although I dont overlook the benefit of it (dissipates less heat and the no more bulb replacement) but I don't support some of the more stronger claims by many hobbyist like "saves money" and "equivalent replacement of MH". Ofcourse different hobbyist have different preference but don't you think the usual lines of "get an LED, we are in the new era!" is a bit over rated? :P Instead, it should be something like "go with what you like and here are the pros/cons of each type"? Now can I join? :mrgreen:

It doesn't sound to me like you're anti-LED then. it sounds like you are anti-People-Who-Own-LEDs :lol:

Under the right circumstances, LEDs can save you money. No one has ever told me that LEDs are an equivalent replacement for MH. In fact, everyone (including LED owners) typically tell me that they can NOT replace MH.

You don't own an LED fixture so you're in :biggrin:

[thmh]

do you own an LED fixture?

Can I at least get half a badge for only using half led?

~Tony

[mrhasan]

It doesn't sound to me like you're anti-LED then. it sounds like you are anti-People-Who-Own-LEDs :lol:

Under the right circumstances, LEDs can save you money. No one has ever told me that LEDs are an equivalent replacement for MH. In fact, everyone (including LED owners) typically tell me that they can NOT replace MH.

You don't own an LED fixture so you're in :biggrin:

Yaaaaay :D

Well, honestly, LED will eventually take over. So as electric vehicles. But right now, hybrid is, IMO, the best option. People were very excited when electric vehicles started coming to the market but soon got disappointed and came the hybrid which people are more willing to buy. Some time in the future, people will get used to the LEDs and to them, growth from bulbs like T5 and MH will be extremely irrelevant, maybe they will even claim to have better growth with future LEDs than MH just like people now claim to have better growth with these instead of CFL. Like I always say, its all about adaptability :mrgreen:

[kien]

Can I at least get half a badge for only using half led?

~Tony

How about we compromise. We'll let you have the 'L' in "LWL"

[kien]

Yaaaaay :D

we are a very inclusive club. Just look at our founding member, he runs LEDs.

[thmh]

How about we compromise. We'll let you have the 'L' in "LWL"

I'll take what I can get!

~Tony

[lastlight]

we are a very inclusive club. Just look at our founding member, he runs LEDs.

I hope i'm still welcome to stop by for a chat. I won't however wear my badge. It's in my sock drawer in case I need it again someday.

[kien]

I hope i'm still welcome to stop by for a chat. I won't however wear my badge. It's in my sock drawer in case I need it again someday.

Speaking of chat, we are about due for wings.

[typezero]

I smell discrimination against hybrid users! NO NO WE WONT GO!

[kien]

I smell discrimination against hybrid users! NO NO WE WONT GO!

Maybe you guys need your own club (support group) ? "Hipsters With Hybrids"

[lastlight]

http://fishbrains.net/images/93/radiums.jpg

[Delphinus]

Where did you get'em? They were getting so hard to find for a while there...

[lastlight]

250s from Dennis. You can get these all over the place they've just become expensive. I used to pay $80 now they're around $100. Dennis wanted these gone so they were very deeply discounted.

[christyf5]

score! :biggrin: