Vancouver Fans

[spawn]

The unfortunate part is that the fans would've likely rioted even if they had won. They are the real losers, & as stated I am one very happy e-pat from B.C. LOSERS. Maybe it's because they don't have jobs or the cup.

[Trigger Man]

Just embarrassing to say the least. Here vancouver fans were saying canadians need to cheer for Vancouver as it is a Canadian team, yet Vancouver is disgracing our Canadian name. The game is over, go home already

[mark]

don't think it's right calling the fans rioters. The rioters are a special class of people.

[skabooya]

Those aren't fans. Just a bunch of bored idiots.

[spawn]

don't think it's right calling the fans rioters. The rioters are a special class of people.
Fair enough, I didn't mean to stereotype. I started typing way to fast, my bad. I guess there's just more of that "class" of people in Van. than other Canadian cities that have had similar type "Incidents" in recent history.

[Magma]

Fair enough, I didn't mean to stereotype. I started typing way to fast, my bad. I guess there's just more of that "class" of people in Van. than other Canadian cities that have had similar type "Incidents" in recent history.

Very true, Calgarys run for the cup had the red mile, very few incidents other than the famous Flames Girls.com website, Edmonton had some minor issues with there White Ave, few more problems but nothing on this scale that Vancouver has today.

[ensquire]

I would reeally like to jump all over these losers as Canuck Fans and label them all.
Unfortunately it is only a very small percentage of Vancourites that are causing all the problems.
Whata total bunch of losers. Don't they know that there is facail recognition software that the police are using. Christ, it was only a friggin hockey game.

[MKLKT]

I was downtown and watched from the 34th floor of the Scotiatower. I saw the people who were coming downtown to watch and I can assure you that they were NOT Vancouverites (from out of city, etc.) and there was not sufficient prevention of liquor/drug consumtion in the areas with large crowds.

And like the smaller incident that happened last year in the olympics there were prepared anarchists with weapons/tools ready to cause destruction regardless of what happened. They were never there to watch the game.

Don't lump real fans in with this shameful behaviour. Everyone I know who's been a lifelong fan isn't involved in this.

There have also been riots and other incidences in most other Canadian cities during the playoffs. The layout of Downtown Vancouver and the way it's kind of locked in by bridges/viaducts doesn't help with dispersing people either.

[StirCrazy]

the problem is that while cars were being flipped and turned on fire there were thousands of people watching and cheering. (just watched the footage) it wasn't a small group involved it was thousands involved. even if you are there and watched with out trying to stop something or leaving you are part of it, so realy the only innocent people were the ones that left when they saw it going on or ones who tried to stop it to some degree.

edmonton the cops brought out the firedepartment and turned the hose on us and we left... the vancouver cops let this go way to long befor breaking it up.

Steve

[gobytron]

the problem is that while cars were being flipped and turned on fire there were thousands of people watching and cheering. (just watched the footage) it wasn't a small group involved it was thousands involved. even if you are there and watched with out trying to stop something or leaving you are part of it, so realy the only innocent people were the ones that left when they saw it going on or ones who tried to stop it to some degree.

edmonton the cops brought out the firedepartment and turned the hose on us and we left... the vancouver cops let this go way to long befor breaking it up.

Steve

And what do you figure would have happened to any one of those thousands on the sidelines who tried to intervene?

think you would have?

[fishytime]

sad to see history repeat itself......real classy!:cry:........this is exactly the reason I couldnt bring myself to cheer for Van.......

[parkinsn]

sad to see history repeat itself......real classy!:cry:........this is exactly the reason I couldnt bring myself to cheer for Van.......

That? Or your a TRUE Calgary fan and have to default to NOT cheer for Van?
:biggrin:

Too bad the fans in van have to be like that. The fans that I saw here were pretty good about the whole thing. I was in the bar rocking Boston gear and no comments were made to me about the best win of the year.

[sphelps]

The riot had little to do with the result of the game, win or loose those people came to riot not watch the game. The true fans in the stadium actually surprised me as they all cheered on Boston after the game ended.

[MKLKT]

The riot had little to do with the result of the game, win or loose those people came to riot not watch the game. The true fans in the stadium actually surprised me as they all cheered on Boston after the game ended.

This for sure, I'm proud that the fans in the arena gave the team an ovation for a great season. Thomas deserved the cheers as did the Bruins, they were the better team this series, sadly my Canucks didn't play like they did all year leading up to it. Bettman getting boo'd was par, he's not liked in Canada regardless. Although the sneering way he presented the trophy even got me pretty offended.

[lorenz0]

That? Or your a TRUE Calgary fan and have to default to NOT cheer for Van?


Any true Calgary fan would never cheer for the "Cannot's"... or edmonton lol

Not only am I disgusted by the aftermath but embarresed at the same time

I'll leave it at that. Just happy that my friends and a family member are ok.

[Coleus]

pict tells thousand words

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/picture.php?albumid=237&pictureid=4512

[parkinsn]

The best part of this whole thing, is that the morons are posting their pic's ans tagging themselves on facebook and getting arrested for it. How dumb do you have to be to tag a picture of you rioting?

[ScubaSteve]

Ya, this is pretty brutal. I have to echo what was said earlier: the people who were rioting we not from Vancouver and they came prepared to riot. They were not hockey fans. It was premeditated (who brings a riot mask to a f-ing hockey game?) and they were instigating others... Then the rest of the idiots were just standing there taking pictures so that they can show their friends and look cool.

My girlfriend and I had to go through downtown last night to check on her home and business to make sure they were OK as the neighbors on both sides had their windows smashed and the parkade next door was set on fire. It was bizarre. Vancouver felt like a war zone. I have seen that in Bangkok and Cambodia, but my own home? Really? And the worst part was that there were people showing up for the "festivities" from Surrey and other out lying areas (they were showing up at 9pm or later, no Canucks jerseys, ready to fight). I started telling people to go home and they started threatening us. These people didn't even watch the game.

The city is less disappointed by the loss of the game than we are about this crap. I am particularly disappointed to come on here and find people saying "this is exactly the reason why I couldn't bring myself to cheer for Van". Really? You knew about this riot before hand? You hate Vancouver because of it's fans? (when the Bruins fans were cheering 'Canucks Suck' during the Boston games... Classy).

This was not a hockey riot, they used the game as an excuse. People need to pull their heads put of their butts and get off the high horse and see that this is not representative of the city or of hockey. Trash talk the rioters, not the city or the Canucks.

[lorenz0]

I did look into it this morning and your right, people did come in just to riot and it was going to happen no matter what the outcome was going to be. Hockey fan's joined in. There are hundreds of pictures and alot of them show people wearing jersey's.

This isn't the first time this has happened in vancouver and this event doesn't help with a known reputation. This doesn't happen here and it shouldn't happen there. Its sad how many people have been effected by the actions of these people.

On another note, obviously we are dealing with a class of people who are either boarder line retarded or imbreed to the point of stupidity. BC already has outrageous taxes and they go around flipping and burnung up cop cars... ummm smart thinking guys. like common

[ScubaSteve]

I did look into it this morning and your right, people did come in just to riot and it was going to happen no matter what the outcome was going to be. Hockey fan's joined in. There are hundreds of pictures and alot of them show people wearing jersey's.

This isn't the first time this has happened in vancouver and this event doesn't help with a known reputation. This doesn't happen here and it shouldn't happen there. Its sad how many people have been effected by the actions of these people.

On another note, obviously we are dealing with a class of people who are either boarder line retarded or imbreed to the point of stupidity. BC already has outrageous taxes and they go around flipping and burnung up cop cars... ummm smart thinking guys. like common

That's the problem. Some idiots back in '94 set a precedent of riots so that you now get the retards thinking that is cool... and then you get the media playing it up to look more epic and it just encourages more of this. The idiots give us this reputation, outsiders and media help perpetuate it and the idiots buy right back into it. Believe me, this is not a reputation that we appreciate nor should this be happening here. I don't know about you, but I don't appreciate people smashing my windows and wrecking my city...

This is an issue of a group of prepared instigators and drunk crowd mentality.

[AJ_77]

I guess it was exciting?

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/4957420.bin?size=620x400

[lorenz0]

lol that picture is spreading like STD's

I've made out with some girls in some really weird places... this one top's any of mine

[Slick Fork]

And what do you figure would have happened to any one of those thousands on the sidelines who tried to intervene?

think you would have?

You don't have to intervene, but standing and cheering the morons on is just throwing fuel on the fire. Anyone with decency should have left or be actively providing assistance to the police. Anyone identified in the mob should be presented with a bill for the clean-up. If only one person is identified, bill em for the whole thing... I bet that would start getting names produced.

[lorenz0]

There is a group on facebook right now trying to identify people from pictures

[abcha0s]

Go Boston!

[parkinsn]

Go Boston!

+1

[gobytron]

Now thats classy guys.

good to know there are some true Boston fans on this board.

[dsaundry]

Imo anytime you invite 5000-100000 people into the city to watch on the "Big Screen" you are asking for mob mentality to be a factor. They was no doubt as there were a small faction of sh*t disturbers who had planned this from the start. Its not the Canucks as an organization or team that are responsible in any way shape or form for this. This is also on Vancouvers politicians and organizors heads imo. I would not be surprised to see the business's sue the city for the sh*tty planning of this event. They didn't learn in 94 and as the old saying goes, "Those who do not learn from their mistakes are destined to repeat them". The majority of the fans were fine, but like mindless "Lemmings" a few followed the idiots and escalated the situation. This has happened in other cities before and will probably happen again, next time the Canucks make a run for the cup lets hope the city gets smart and tells the people that can't afford tickets to watch it at home or in the bars and stay the hell away from gathering in the city. As a Bruins fan I am very happy my team won, I am disgusted in what happened on the streets of Vancouver after.

[gobytron]

Go Boston!

Remember this guys...
next time you're making a purchase.

[MKLKT]

P.S. - Anyone see all the messages written in chalk on the sidewalk and on boards covering broken windows where the riot occured?

Pretty moving and really shows the real side of this city.

I have some pictures of this, I'll try to up them later. (I'm busy uploading aerial video to the police right now.) I watched from almost the same height of the helicopters and could see exactly where the crowds/police were going. It was insane.

Have some more class Boston guys, please.

[parkinsn]

Have some more class Boston guys, please.

Still more class than this guy will ever have :biggrin:
http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr41/parkinsn/thursdays-dar-110.jpg

[Bblinks]

I am proud to be a Vancouver Canucks fan riot or no riot. 50-80 thousand people doesn't make it easy for crowd control. VPD did what they had to do. It only took a few out of towner to instigate and we got ourselves a full blown riot, they are probably all hitch hike here from Calgary anyways.:biggrin:

[StirCrazy]

I am proud to be a Vancouver Canucks fan riot or no riot. 50-80 thousand people doesn't make it easy for crowd control. VPD did what they had to do. It only took a few out of towner to instigate and we got ourselves a full blown riot, they are probably all hitch hike here from Calgary anyways.:biggrin:

true, but the VPD started way to lait as soon as it started they should have used tear gas.

you guys keep saying it was out of towners, are you sure.. do you know the people who started it? or do you know everyone in the vancouver regional district and they have all told you it wasn't them? :mrgreen:

I am not saying it wasn't out of towners and I am not saying it was.. what I am saying is it is pretty bold to assume there is no one that lives in a city area with a population of over 2 mill that would cause trouble. as for weather it was canucks fans instagating or not thats not the issue and it isn't a reason to bash any teams fans, what it is is another case of the city not being prepared.

as for the earlier comment about what would have happened if some one tried to interveen there was a video of a guy kicking a car and a girl cold cocked him for it.. he sulked away... if there are only a few out of towners causing problem as people keep saying what about the 80000+ in towners.. you think a couple people are going to stand up to a big mob.. nope. the footage shows that everyone was cheering the few on, then others startrd getting involved..

we had a smaller scale thing in edmonton in the 80's I was in the area but not on the same street. as soon as people started beating and flipping a cop car the fire deparment turned on the water hoses on the crowd. people left and went home before it got much worse..

The VPD knows how fast protests get out of hand down there at the first sign of trouble there should have opened up with the flash bangs and the tear gas.

mind you while I am all for protest and civil rights, I am also against civil disobeadiance so I may take a harder line view on some things.

although I did have to laugh at the video of the guy who got hit in the gonads with the flashbang.. I am sure he isn't feeling all that great. :mrgreen:

Steve

[StirCrazy]

I guess it was exciting?

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/4957420.bin?size=620x400


hmmm thats awsome :mrgreen: to bad there arn't more pics of her.. she looks good:wink:

Steve

[Bblinks]

hmmm thats awsome :mrgreen: to bad there arn't more pics of her.. she looks good:wink:

Steve

I guess there is no time like right NOW. haha.

[spawn]

Still more class than this guy will ever have :biggrin:
http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr41/parkinsn/thursdays-dar-110.jpg No those don't look like Van Fans at all?
Keep bringing those sweet pics!
I'd be willing to bet most if not all the rioters were Vancouver-ites & there co-conspirators were all from the central coast & Island. As a kid playing hockey on the island the point of the game & sportsman-ship of any kind was always lost on the majority of the players & especially the crowd. It was such a redneck atmosphere you usually ended up fighting, even members from your own team & afterwards if you did well you'd have to watch your back anywhere you played. Wake the F..k up Van. that's the blue collar mentality your fellow citizens have, with no where to go & nothing to look forwards to, the youth of the working class out there has nothing to lose unfortunately. The riots are created by a socio-economic break down of classes that started 3 decades ago. But seriously it's a super nice place to visit in the summer months. Thomas Kicked ASS!

[MKLKT]

The police had to get the fire department to leave because it got too out of hand. The original car flip/fire was put out and police got control (right out front of the post office) and when I checked back about 5 minutes later the mob had swarmed back and started fires again (as well as smashing up BMO). Not a whole lot of people compared to the GVRD live in actual downtown... same problem with the fireworks too, it's not the people who actually live there doing the damage.

Tons of evidence of those involved taking the skytrain back out to the suburbs. I've lived here my whole life and it's easy to tell where most of the locals are from. I'm not saying it was 100% out of towners, that's not realistic. Like how it's being blamed on actual anarchists and fans, it's truly neither of those and just straight up drunk *******s who joined for the sole purpose of fighting with police and destroying property.

The Canucks team store, banners, etc. all along the areas were untouched, I went by this morning. Shows pretty well it wasn't about the game. It was targeted mostly to certain retailers in addition to flipping cars/starting fires.

[Doug]

NO, dont stir it up. Keep preaching your own political agenda and you may find yourself on a certain list we have. :lol: {this applies to whomever}. Feel free to discuss this mess but leave your crap someplace else.

Remember this is an aquarium board. I,m sure there are many political boards where you can let loose on your opinions if you so wish.

Thank-you.

[ScubaSteve]

Wow, this clown (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150279017776351&set=o.121837081234162&type=1&theater) traveled all the way to Vancouver for a riot.... this is rediculous

[Slick Fork]

Really?
and how much of this incident had to do with how badly the VPD have villified themselves to the general population...

Robert Djikansky, Ian Bush, random beatings of innocent newspaper delivery men, blatant kicks to the face of those safely in custody and not resisting; their lack of accountability makes it an easy choice for a rowled up crowd.

The anarchists know exactly how to engage the police so that it's immediately us vs them.

In Vancouver, we already have a massive distrust for them and the job of the senseless few is just made easier.

Whatever the history the VPD has with its citizens is moot. Criminal behaviour is criminal behaviour period and should not be excused.

How does robbery, assault, and arson translate into an acceptable social statement? Just because you don't like somebody or something isn't an excuse to behave like this. They destroyed the property of innocent people and companies, those caught should be forced to pay the entire bill.

[trilinearmipmap]

In my view we have a think veneer of civilization, you do not have to dig very deep to find barbaric behaviour.

The best way to avoid a repeat of this is to aggressively go after the scum with video evidence, prosecution, and civil suits for damages. Post rewards for people to I.D. the filth that did this. Publicize the scumbags names and photos after they are found guilty.

[fishoholic]

You don't have to intervene, but standing and cheering the morons on is just throwing fuel on the fire. Anyone with decency should have left or be actively providing assistance to the police. Anyone identified in the mob should be presented with a bill for the clean-up. If only one person is identified, bill em for the whole thing... I bet that would start getting names produced.

In my view we have a think veneer of civilization, you do not have to dig very deep to find barbaric behaviour.

The best way to avoid a repeat of this is to aggressively go after the scum with video evidence, prosecution, and civil suits for damages. Post rewards for people to I.D. the filth that did this. Publicize the scumbags names and photos after they are found guilty.

I couldn't agree more.

[fishytime]

Ya, this is pretty brutal. I have to echo what was said earlier: the people who were rioting we not from Vancouver and they came prepared to riot. They were not hockey fans. It was premeditated (who brings a riot mask to a f-ing hockey game?) and they were instigating others... Then the rest of the idiots were just standing there taking pictures so that they can show their friends and look cool.

My girlfriend and I had to go through downtown last night to check on her home and business to make sure they were OK as the neighbors on both sides had their windows smashed and the parkade next door was set on fire. It was bizarre. Vancouver felt like a war zone. I have seen that in Bangkok and Cambodia, but my own home? Really? And the worst part was that there were people showing up for the "festivities" from Surrey and other out lying areas (they were showing up at 9pm or later, no Canucks jerseys, ready to fight). I started telling people to go home and they started threatening us. These people didn't even watch the game.

The city is less disappointed by the loss of the game than we are about this crap. I am particularly disappointed to come on here and find people saying "this is exactly the reason why I couldn't bring myself to cheer for Van". Really? You knew about this riot before hand? You hate Vancouver because of it's fans? (when the Bruins fans were cheering 'Canucks Suck' during the Boston games... Classy).

This was not a hockey riot, they used the game as an excuse. People need to pull their heads put of their butts and get off the high horse and see that this is not representative of the city or of hockey. Trash talk the rioters, not the city or the Canucks.

your right.....there must be a band of traveling rioters that go from city to city, to sporting events looking to incite a riot.....their work is well documented http://www.highestfive.com/fitness/top-6-most-destructive-playoff-hockey-riots/ .......funny how they missed Calgary in 2004 when they had a whole month of every other day partying on the streets by 50,000 people that they could have taken advantage of.......who are you kidding, besides yourself?.....I know its just a small percentage of fans that were involved in the crap, but that fact remains that certain cities have had a history for this kind of BS and it irritates me when it happens again......it gives a black eye to the sport of hockey and to Canada as whole......

[Lampshade]

Not so much a band of travelling rioters, but from out in the valley there's many that went downtown just to cause a ruccus. It's a shame that a bunch of drunken high-school/college kids caused this much drama.

[mark]

The best way to avoid a repeat of this is to aggressively go after the scum with video evidence, prosecution, and civil suits for damages. Post rewards for people to I.D. the filth that did this. Publicize the scumbags names and photos after they are found guilty.

waste of time and effort charging the rioters, just sue them for damages

[silentcivilian]

By the way I want to say way to go facebook. Guy lighting the police car on fire. His name is Nathan Kotylak, and he was ratted out by his ex girlfriend when she saw the picture and arrested already.

Awesome!

[Slick Fork]

By the way I want to say way to go facebook. Guy lighting the police car on fire. His name is Nathan Kotylak, and he was ratted out by his ex girlfriend when she saw the picture and arrested already.

Awesome!

I saw that too, stupid kid had a scholarship to U of C and a shot at the olympic water polo team. What a dumb way to flush all that down the drain. That's providing it was actually him and not just someone who looked like him.

[MMAX]

I was listinging to some show on sports talk radio last night. Apparently this riot would have happened win or lose. Some organized group, the same ones who protested the Olympics were said to be responsible. They dressed in Canuk jerseys and some were seen carrying backpacks full of molotov cocktails, goggles and masks. These douches started it and all the drunks with no common sense joined in. Thanks to all the hi-tech cameras out there that everyone seems to own, the Vancouver Province newspaper is going to be publishing photos of everyone involved in the criminal activity. That, along with all the morons who went on facebook and bragged about it, will eventually bring these *ssholes down.

[Jamieh]

Just back in Saskatoon from an eventful trip to Vancouver. I was walking out of arena just as some guy fell over the side of a walkway for about a 30 ft drop. It sounded like 2cars colliding when he hit the ground. I then had to walk through the war zone to get to my hotel. What a scary nightmare that was. After passing the zone around me heading away from disaster were lots of small groups of middle aged people trying to get away from the chaos, yet we were continuosly meeting small groups of young loud people heading into the fray. They were loud and drunk. The van loads of riot police heading in and the mess all around me made methink I was in the middle east somewhere and not a Canadian city???

[mike31154]

They were loud and drunk. The van loads of riot police heading in and the mess all around me made methink I was in the middle east somewhere and not a Canadian city???

Hard to believe these days how utterly dumb these folks are thinking they won't be identified for their deeds, with all the cameras & internet publicity. As far as the Middle East, you may be better off there, since those riots are people fighting for what we already have, freedom. It's been a long time since we gained that freedom or defended it in a major conflict (although some of our young folks are risking their lives in Afghanistan for Afghanistan). There's a sense of entitlement, both in our government and clearly in the minds of those that turn sporting events into disasters.

It's not just hockey, many professional sports in other democratic countries (soccer hooliganism) spawn this kind of behaviour. One reason I've become somewhat disenchanted with the whole pro sports culture. Not the fault of the teams or organizations but then again, we seem to feed off the behaviour of certain overpaid athletes (and politicians for that matter Weinergate?) who can't stay out of trouble and the media which brings the latest/greatest scandal into our lives. Then there are the hockey Moms & Dads that give coaches a hard time & put too much pressure on their youngsters to perform to their expectations.

I've actually begun watching more women's sporting events, hockey & soccer. Less testosterone and more intelligence & tactics to how they play the game. Looking forward to the FIFA Women's World Cup this summer. And for the most part, the ladies are softer and smell nice.

[sphelps]

Just back in Saskatoon from an eventful trip to Vancouver. I was walking out of arena just as some guy fell over the side of a walkway for about a 30 ft drop. It sounded like 2cars colliding when he hit the ground. I then had to walk through the war zone to get to my hotel. What a scary nightmare that was. After passing the zone around me heading away from disaster were lots of small groups of middle aged people trying to get away from the chaos, yet we were continuosly meeting small groups of young loud people heading into the fray. They were loud and drunk. The van loads of riot police heading in and the mess all around me made methink I was in the middle east somewhere and not a Canadian city???
Sounds like fun, did you enjoy the game at least?

[gobytron]

Whatever the history the VPD has with its citizens is moot. Criminal behaviour is criminal behaviour period and should not be excused.

How does robbery, assault, and arson translate into an acceptable social statement? Just because you don't like somebody or something isn't an excuse to behave like this. They destroyed the property of innocent people and companies, those caught should be forced to pay the entire bill.

It's not moot.
it's exactly why you had people making the mistake of siding with the rioters rather than with their city.

It not an excuse, a reason for is not always an excuse.
just a logical explanation for an illogical act.

[gobytron]

Still more class than this guy will ever have :biggrin:
http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr41/parkinsn/thursdays-dar-110.jpg

This will be one the guys who is not a canucks fan and came to this event with the sole purpose of rioting.

You dont bring accellerants and what is probably a backpack of anarchists tools to a hockey game without an alterior motive.

These guys, like the black bloc, wore canucks jerseys to be able to blend into the crowd anonymously after inciting violence.

off hand, how many on this board would even actually know how to set a car on fire in minutes?

[mike31154]

This will be one the guys who is not a canucks fan and came to this event with the sole purpose of rioting.

You dont bring accellerants and what is probably a backpack of anarchists tools to a hockey game without an alterior motive.

These guys, like the black bloc, wore canucks jerseys to be able to blend into the crowd anonymously after inciting violence.

off hand, how many on this board would even actually know how to set a car on fire in minutes?

So how did he make out with the theory of blending into the crowd anonymously? Check posts #46 & 47 to see that he's tentatively been identified as a young individual with seemingly a lot to lose, scholarship to university, sports possibilities..... I fear for our future society, a few more of these potential leaders running the show.....

[parkinsn]

So how did he make out with the theory of blending into the crowd anonymously? Check post #50 to see that he's tentatively been identified as a young individual with seemingly a lot to lose, scholarship to university, sports possibilities..... I fear for our future society, a few more of these potential leaders running the show.....

Agreed. The worst part for this poor guy is that there is a laundry list of charges that can and will most likely be brough down on him. I would imagin that the police are are going to make examples of all these people they catch. Due to the fact that 10,000 rioters are going to get off but the 100 or more that they do catch are going to get the full brunt of the law in a effort to ensure that this type of thing does not happen again.

[sphelps]

These people should be charged with treason, IMO that's about right. Max sentence in Canada is life in prison.

[lorenz0]

I watched more of the video's last night and looked and a bunch of the photo's on facebook..... it was a mob of everyone.

There are a few video's of people who tried to stop this who only got beat up, curb stomped is probably a better term for how badly they were beaten. There is one photo of an elderly man trying to stop a group of people and a kid is waving a skateboard at him.


The more I look into this the worse it looks

But the best quote I have seen "Who's the more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him"

[parkinsn]

These people should be charged with treason, IMO that's about right. Max sentence in Canada is life in prison.

Should be but wont. Its nice to dream.

I would think arson, distruction of public/police property, obstruction of justice etc. That would be a few years in jail for him.

If that car was on fire/exploded I would like to see, murder, attempted murder conspirisy to committ murder. What if it blew up and hurt/killed one of those 100+ people standing around behind it? Manslaughter perhaps....

[monocus]

well we can always chain and weigh down the identified rioters ,dump them in the straight and make a reef out of them-got to think positive

[abcha0s]

The whole thing is really quite sad.

In terms of loyalties, one might point out that there are more Canadian players on the Bruins then there are on the Canuks. There's hardly any disloyalty in being a Boston fan.

As for the guy lighting the car on fire, I expect he is in some real trouble. He will go to federal prison and perhaps for a long time.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/riot24.jpg

It's probably not the same car (although it might be), but the intent is clearly the same.

It might also be pointed out that the instigators all wore masks. Most of the pictures are of Canucks fans, who were not wearing masks, and who were at the hockey game. Regardless of who started the riot, there is no question that fans at the game joined in.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/16/photos-riots-fire-destruction-after-vancouvers-loss/

In defending something like this, a person is really no better than those who actually participated.

[parkinsn]

As for the guy lighting the car on fire, I expect he is in some real trouble. He will go to federal prison and perhaps for a long time.


I should think so, as well I think that the people that burned the cop cars should be paying for replacements, they have got to be $70-$80k+

[silentcivilian]

The chief of police said 15 cars burned and 2 of which were police cars. One culprit was the formentioned boy in post 49 and 50, the other is a young blond girl who has also already been identified and arrested. Charges pending based on evidence. Evidence is a strange thing in courts these days. I know one police officer that has over 40 DUI charges in the last 3 years in Calgary, he has had over 30 thrown out on top of that. He says on a couple of cases its been thrown out due to lack of evidence even though it was evident that they were drunk. So know he makes it sure on his report he has at least 7 confirming peices of evidence and at least 3 witnesses to confirm it. So somthing like this unless someone has a video that shows suspect post #49 actually successfully lighting the car on fire, and shows that no one else also was lighting the car on fire, the charges will be dropped, but he will be nailed with several other smaller charges. They will get him with somthing but to actually charge him with destrction of 50K will be tough.

Also, Gobytron -- Drop it dude. This is coming from a Senators fan who finished 5 worst in the league and sold off most of its talent to the highest bidder. I was cheering for Boston for what I believe to be the right reasons: 1. Mark Recchi after 22 years in the league deserves to walk out of his career with one final cup. 2. Tyler Seguin should text Taylor Hall and say I guess getting drafted Second isnt so bad. 3. Tim Thomas had a amazing year and is the most exciting goal tender to watch.

There are reasons for not cheering for Vancouver too, but thats because of the way they played hockey which was most seen in the Chicago series. If you want a list ill PM it to you.

But ill say this, it was a awesome Stanley cup series from the start and both teams played well, Boston just had more in game 7 when they needed it.

All the happened it Vancouver was a mob mentality, a few empower the masses to do somthing they wouldnt normally do. Of the 100,000 fans on the street and the 14,000 in rogers arena, 100 wanted it, 2000 or so followed it, and the only sad part about those numbers are over 100,000 people just walked away and didnt try to stop it. The awesome part that came out of it, was the 1000's that assembled downtown to help the clean up.

[MKLKT]

The efforts from the citizens cleaning up and helping out has been phenomenal. All the plywood used to replace the windows (of which there are actually 100+) have been completely covered now with sharpie'd and painted messages of support/shame/thanks and just plain emotion about the whole event. A police cruiser that was parked overnight on Granville was completely covered with post-it messages of thanks and support, too. This kind of response is from the true proud and responsible people of Vancouver. The streets were cleaned up by thousands of people who volunteered and took time off just to help clean up, they're cleaner now than they were to begin with.

[StirCrazy]

2. Tyler Seguin should text Taylor Hall and say I guess getting drafted Second isnt so bad. .

now that was just plain uncalled for concidering taylor hall had 44 regular season points and seguin only had 22.

Steve

[Doug]

:D Ok I removed the personal crap & the personal political views. Can we please discuss it without that.

Thanks

[silentcivilian]

now that was just plain uncalled for concidering taylor hall had 44 regular season points and seguin only had 22.

Steve

Haha, Its more a joke than anything. But ive always liked Seguins play better than Hall.

Seguin had fewer shots due to being on the 3rd line with limited play. I believe it was almost 50 shots less. TOI is a tough stat to find from the NHL. But Seguins real play was noted in accounting for almost %70 of his teams scoring in the OHL.

I cant argue that both are talented, far more talented being they will make a few million next season off of playing hockey while still being under 20, and ill still be turning wrenchs at 26 haha.. ya life.

[StirCrazy]

Haha, Its more a joke than anything. But ive always liked Seguins play better than Hall.



I am oposite, when people were speculating oilers might take seguin, I was saying "I sure hope not" as seguin was more specilized that hall IMO, and the oilers didn't need another high asisting winger, they needed a in your face power forward who scores, which Hall was more suited for. as for TOI, Halls was an average of over 18min a game so ya he was on the ice a lot, and I don't think Seguin could average thoes kind of numbers yet.

this year (7 days and counting to be exact :mrgreen:) I am going against the mock draft and hoping they pick Adam Larson, and not ryan nugent-hopkins or what ever it is. they don't need another forward at all anymore. they have more firepower potential than any team in the NHL at this point, for there second pick I am hoping for another one of the bigger d's but at 19 I don't think there will be any left. so if not a second promising D then maybe look at one of the gibsons. very promising goalies. at any rate they need to do something with goalies.. fire Habby, bring up Gerber or get a younger deicent guy till dubnick has had another year or two to be ready.

Steve

[silentcivilian]

I still think you will trade away Draft Pick #1 for something like the senators did last year in aquiring David Rundblad (however you spell it) but drafting d-men is so time consuming, where like we did, we took a almost ready d-man and traded the 1st away for him to a team that needed first round forwards. To our winning pick, Mr. Rundblad is the Swede elite league d-man player of the year and 5th on the top point getters for the whole league. So thats kinda what I hope they might do, and the tsn crew seems to think thats what they might do too. With that trade we will have Karlsson and Rundblad this year along with our already developed D-core Phillips, Gonchar, Kuba and Carkner.

Your right, Hall is more in your face, and drafting seguin would be like drafting a second Jordan Eberle. Its funny, cause Seguins first goal of the playoffs is scary similar to Eberles first goal of the season.

Ahh.. draft time.. How I look forward to thee..

[StirCrazy]

I still think you will trade away Draft Pick #1 for something like the senators did last year in aquiring David Rundblad

its a possibility but I hope not. and don't think they will, the underlining theme seams to be young and new. but with pick number 19 also maybe. or they could trade off pick 19 for something also.

Steve

[MMAX]

Maybe someone should start another thread about the draft since this is mainly about the riot. With that said, being an Oilers fan myself, we need a #1 center. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins will fit this role maybe not next year but soon after. D-men can take a while to develop and first line centers do not grow on trees. RNH first pick maybe a d-man second.

[spawn]

Is it fellow rioters that are threatening the captured rioters, or is it the "real" Vancouver fans? Hmmmm..... Win,win