Acan Plus

[JMes]

I am not a company. I am a hobbyist.

That makes a big difference. A company's way of doing things would be to use
the cheapest ingredients possible and stretch it with fillers, so they can
make the biggest profit.

I do this because my love for LPS corals, espeically my acans. I don't make
coral food for the money. In fact I do not make any money off selling this
food. Whatever I make goes back into buying the ingredients. I don't get
paid for the labour, time and effort that goes into the production of the
food.
My personal goal is, and always will be, to make the highest quality food to
promote the greatest amount of growth and just have healthy beautiful corals
PERIOD. I believe the growth and size of my corals speak for themselves.

I am not going to BS anybody by using cheesy marketing slogans or promote my
food using words like "roids", "ultra" and "ultimate". I am not a wrestling
promoter, you know...
Or showing a video of dropping a pellet onto an "Ultra Acan". I can drop any
kind of pellet on an Acan and of course it will eventually eat it. That does
not say much about the quality of the food and how it will promote the
health and growth of your corals. But isn't that the whole point in feeding your corals?

Certain people endorsing Fauna Marin should get their facts straight. Acan
Plus is NOT a "simple cocktail of other already marketed products". I should
know, because like all coral owners, I used to try all those products in a
desperate attempt to keep my corals healthy, but only with poor results.
That's when I decided to do some research and make my own coral food from scratch.

There is nothing "simple" about my food. It takes me an average of 6 hours
to make 12 bottles of Acan Plus. There are over 10 different ingredients in
Acan Plus (soon will be 13 as I am working on a new formula).
It took me a long time to find out what the corals prefer to eat, which
ingredient entices them or stimulates their growth.
I also only use the highest quality ingredients available. For the record
there is NO Artemia, NO Zooplankton or Phytoplankton powder in Acan Plus. Most
coral products contain these because they are cheap fillers.

Somebody said "ANYTHING could be in there."
Wrong. I don't just put anything in my food. Every single ingredient has been
tested extensively for its nutritional value to promote the greatest amount
of growth. Keep in mind that I put the same food I'm selling into my own
tank every day and I am definitely not putting "just anything" in there.

I have been working on this food for years now. I do not disclose anything
on how I process and make the food, because I am not giving big companies
like Fauna Marin tips on how to copy me.
I have already seen Fauna Marin referring to their new acan food as "Ultra
Acan Plus" and using my description and text almost word for word.
Should I just hand them my recipe as well?

[Red Coral Aquariums]

I am not a company. I am a hobbyist.

That makes a big difference. A company's way of doing things would be to use
the cheapest ingredients possible and stretch it with fillers, so they can
make the biggest profit.

I do this because my love for LPS corals, espeically my acans. I don't make
coral food for the money. In fact I do not make any money off selling this
food. Whatever I make goes back into buying the ingredients. I don't get
paid for the labour, time and effort that goes into the production of the
food.
My personal goal is, and always will be, to make the highest quality food to
promote the greatest amount of growth and just have healthy beautiful corals
PERIOD. I believe the growth and size of my corals speak for themselves.

I am not going to BS anybody by using cheesy marketing slogans or promote my
food using words like "roids", "ultra" and "ultimate". I am not a wrestling
promoter, you know...
Or showing a video of dropping a pellet onto an "Ultra Acan". I can drop any
kind of pellet on an Acan and of course it will eventually eat it. That does
not say much about the quality of the food and how it will promote the
health and growth of your corals. But isn't that the whole point in feeding your corals?

Certain people endorsing Fauna Marin should get their facts straight. Acan
Plus is NOT a "simple cocktail of other already marketed products". I should
know, because like all coral owners, I used to try all those products in a
desperate attempt to keep my corals healthy, but only with poor results.
That's when I decided to do some research and make my own coral food from scratch.

There is nothing "simple" about my food. It takes me an average of 6 hours
to make 12 bottles of Acan Plus. There are over 10 different ingredients in
Acan Plus (soon will be 13 as I am working on a new formula).
It took me a long time to find out what the corals prefer to eat, which
ingredient entices them or stimulates their growth.
I also only use the highest quality ingredients available. For the record
there is NO Artemia, NO Zooplankton or Phytoplankton powder in Acan Plus. Most
coral products contain these because they are cheap fillers.

Somebody said "ANYTHING could be in there."
Wrong. I don't just put anything in there. Every single ingredient has been
tested extensively for its nutritional value to promote the greatest amount
of growth. Keep in mind that I put the same food that I sell into my own
tank every day and I am definitely not putting "just anything" in there.

I have been working on this food for years now. I do not disclose anything
on how I process and make the food, because I am not giving big companies
like Fauna Marin tips on how to copy me.
I have already seen Fauna Marin referring to their new acan food as "Ultra
Acan Plus" and using my description and text almost word for word.
Should I just hand them my recipe as well?

Jason you have worked hard on this. It is an incredible product and I am proud to promote it.
Kevin

[The Grizz]

I myself would prefer to use a product that is made locally and by a fellow reefer. You have work very hard on this and you should be proud of your accomplishments. Keep up the good work Jason.

There will be many people out there that are going to be skeptical because they don't know what it is made of but can we say that we know EXACTLY what is in some of the brand name store bought foods made by big Corps, I think not.

[RedCoralOnlineStore]

Jason,
You have an incredible product that I stand behind personally 100%! I use your Acan Plus for my LPS at home. Be Proud!:wink:

[Ryan]

Cant we all just get along.

I use your product in my tank and have seen great results with it. I have used Fauna Marin and seen the same results as well. Both good products and its nice to see it locally made.

The problem I have with your write up is this. In one breath you say your not in it for the money.
"My personal goal is, and always will be, to make the highest quality food to
promote the greatest amount of growth and just have healthy beautiful corals
PERIOD. I believe the growth and size of my corals speak for themselves."

Yet in another breath you complain about another company trying to copy your product. Of course its going to happen. You think Mr. Ford didnt see it coming with the automobile?

Personally I enjoy sharing information with other hobbyists whether they be someones private tank or major company. It only benefits the hobby when people share their experience, what works for them, what doesnt and so on. Its only when people try to hide what has been working from everyone else that this hobby with fall. Unfortunately I am seeing more and more of it as time goes on. I am not saying go hand your recipe paper out to Fauna or any other company, you have already done that by make your product available to the public.

IMO you should be proud a big company like Fauna Marin sees you as such a big threat they need to try to use your product to sell theirs. Acan Plus has seen such great results with just word of mouth along with posts here from buyers. Why not just enjoy your success instead of complaining?

Not to mention a little competition keeps businesses honest. Put out a good product for a good price and you will reap the rewards. I am sure you know this already with Acan Plus.

Now if this is a shot at someone or someones company maybe you need to take your drama off canreef. We have seen enough of it in the past year to get our fill.

[shiver905]

Id be in,

Knowing a hobbyist made something with their own time is a huge bonus.

I try to buy all by fish "second hand" instead of mass importing form dealers. Just because the lack on control and quality.

Hobbyist take there time and care of their fish.
Stores and retailers dont. I dont want to sound harsh, I do respect the fact people have to make $.

Now relating this back to this home made coral food. Manufactures need to make some money. They use fillers weird additives..ect..
Anything that is mass marketed start to loose their quality. (BTW i dont want to start an argument, This is all just My oppnion)

If this homegrown goodness
Id love to try some,
Where do I get this and will it ship to ontario?

[Zoaelite]

Your being struck with criticism because your circumventing scientific method, what else would you expect besides resistance?

I hate to be critical but I'm confused at the nature of your post, are you trying to inform me about your product or bash the competition? Or both?? (Whats wrong with just getting along?)

Making statements like this:
Wrong. I don't just put anything in my food. Every single ingredient has been
tested extensively for its nutritional value to promote the greatest amount
of growth. Keep in mind that I put the same food I'm selling into my own
tank every day and I am definitely not putting "just anything" in there.

Drive me CRAZY! You're sitting there telling me your food is the best and I should trust you because your test's say so but you won't share your bloody tests! What is "extensive testing" and would you please also elaborate when you state:
It took me a long time to find out what the corals prefer to eat, which
ingredient entices them or stimulates their growth.

If you want Acan+ to stand out from the rest it's going to require some transparency and your current excuse for a blank ingredient list isn't cutting it. If Fauna Marine truly wants to steal your ingredient list let them, you already stated you don't do this for the money so clearly they can't compete with your prices.

[Zoaelite]

The problem with stating an opinion that's wrong on the internet is that it causes people to argue with you... Such opinions that "Hobbyist take there time and care of their fish.Stores and retailers dont" belongs in the previously stated wrong opinion folder.

I'm going to bed, erroneous statements make me drowsy.

Id be in,

Knowing a hobbyist made something with their own time is a huge bonus.

I try to buy all by fish "second hand" instead of mass importing form dealers. Just because the lack on control and quality.

Hobbyist take there time and care of their fish.
Stores and retailers dont. I dont want to sound harsh, I do respect the fact people have to make $.

Now relating this back to this home made coral food. Manufactures need to make some money. They use fillers weird additives..ect..
Anything that is mass marketed start to loose their quality. (BTW i dont want to start an argument, This is all just My oppnion)

If this homegrown goodness
Id love to try some,
Where do I get this and will it ship to ontario?

[shiver905]

The problem with stating an opinion that's wrong on the internet is that it causes people to argue with you... Such opinions that "Hobbyist take there time and care of their fish.Stores and retailers dont" belongs is the previously stated wrong opinion folder.

I'm going to bed, erroneous statements make me drowsy.

Would you agree the internet is LARGELY baised on opinion?
Youtube, facebook, blogs, even wiki.

Do you agree MOST internet fourms are just people opinions on a subject?

Do you agree the MAJORITY of Canreef Aquatics threads are about asking or giving opinions?

Do you also agree that MOST of these threads have little to no scientific proof or evidence?


I dont mind you calling me out, Im just deadly sick with a cold and dont really feel like typeing nor thinking.

Sorry about your head,
Take an advil.


Cant belive I actually started this, With my 9 post count :P , LOL

[ScubaSteve]

Hehehe... Dude, you opened a whole can o' worms on this one.

I totally get ya on not wanting to do it for the money and not wanting to post the recipe for the big guys to take. I was in the same situation a year ago with a water desalination technology I developed. I was only doing it to help others, especially those in need. I don't really care about the money. But a very wise business man explained to me that the best way to reach the largest market possible it through a business model where I DO make money (and hopefully a lot of it =P) as I will have the liquidity to drive my prices lower, produce more at a lower cost and reach a larger distribution network. I suggest you do the same... but do it for the love of the hobby and not for the money... make that a focus of your business plan (which you should write up!) and you will set yourself apart from everyone else.

That being said, I understand the arguements that others make about not knowing what goes into it. I specifically have a rule that I don't put anything into my tank that I don't know the ingedients of. This is the reason why I don't use Zeovit. I have no idea what Pohl puts into his magic sauces, so it doesn't touch my tank (especially when he charges a STUPID premium for them). This has actually driven me to research what his ingredients might be and I might actually be creating my own "zeovit" system this summer if I can find the time. Trust is a serious issue in this business, as it is in most industries.

It's tough. You need to find a balance between transparancy (to keep the trust of us scrutinizing customers) and keeping the secret to yourself. If anything else, you should let the product do the talking and people won't care what goes into it... hell, it could be pixie dust and people wouldn't care if it did the trick. Instead of having threads defending your product, have threads that promote it... tried and true testiments to how good it is. For example, I have a Candycane that have been suffering for months and I'm convinced that it's nutrition causing the problem. If I could easily get a hold of your product I'd gladly do a thread doing a trial of Acan+ on my corals and hopefully show a major rebound... problem is, I don't really have the time or money to spend trying to track it down and have it shipped to me (that's just the way customers are, unfortunately)...

Be a business for the common reefer and make the big guys afraid. Find that balance between transparancy and secrets and you'll succeed. Don't be defensive, be offensive.

PM me if you ever wanna talk shop.

Cheers and good luck dude!

[Xenia]

I think he was just referring to this post
PaddyOB's Acan Lords ***Growth Tracking w/ Fauna Marin (formerly using Acan Plus)*** (http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=70550), but was polite enough not to hijack that thread and posted it elsewhere instead.

It doesn't really sound like he is bashing anybody here, just making a simple statement.

[JMes]

Some people have misinterpreted my post and blowing things way out of proportion. I was just asked to respond to Paddyod thread as he had some questions and concerns about the ingredients .http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=70550&page=5were
I didn't want to hijack this growth thread, so I opened a new one. There is no bashing of other companies or drama. I was simply answering some questions.
Also some seem to misinterprete my sarcasm with complaining:razz:

[ScubaSteve]

In fact I do not make any money off selling this
food. Whatever I make goes back into buying the ingredients. I don't get
paid for the labour, time and effort that goes into the production of the
food.

This is called boot-strapped organic growth. At some point you'll hit an economy of scale where you're making enough product that you actually start to earn some cash. I'd like to see you do this because then it will be a worthwhile venture for you to keep making freakin' awesome products for people. If you're not making any money and life all of a sudden gets busy, where is the incentive?

There are over 10 different ingredients in
Acan Plus (soon will be 13 as I am working on a new formula).
It took me a long time to find out what the corals prefer to eat, which
ingredient entices them or stimulates their growth.

This is continual innovation of a competitive advantage. Keep it up, keep the big guys guessing, make us some wicked products.

[naesco]

With a lot of the food available to feed our fish coming in from China (why would a LFS bring it in) and Japan it is great to see a fellow reefer doing this and making a product that really works.
Keep up the good work.

Wayne

[reefwars]

I am not a company. I am a hobbyist.

That makes a big difference. A company's way of doing things would be to use
the cheapest ingredients possible and stretch it with fillers, so they can
make the biggest profit.

I do this because my love for LPS corals, espeically my acans. I don't make
coral food for the money. In fact I do not make any money off selling this
food. Whatever I make goes back into buying the ingredients. I don't get
paid for the labour, time and effort that goes into the production of the
food.
My personal goal is, and always will be, to make the highest quality food to
promote the greatest amount of growth and just have healthy beautiful corals
PERIOD. I believe the growth and size of my corals speak for themselves.

I am not going to BS anybody by using cheesy marketing slogans or promote my
food using words like "roids", "ultra" and "ultimate". I am not a wrestling
promoter, you know...
Or showing a video of dropping a pellet onto an "Ultra Acan". I can drop any
kind of pellet on an Acan and of course it will eventually eat it. That does
not say much about the quality of the food and how it will promote the
health and growth of your corals. But isn't that the whole point in feeding your corals?

Certain people endorsing Fauna Marin should get their facts straight. Acan
Plus is NOT a "simple cocktail of other already marketed products". I should
know, because like all coral owners, I used to try all those products in a
desperate attempt to keep my corals healthy, but only with poor results.
That's when I decided to do some research and make my own coral food from scratch.

There is nothing "simple" about my food. It takes me an average of 6 hours
to make 12 bottles of Acan Plus. There are over 10 different ingredients in
Acan Plus (soon will be 13 as I am working on a new formula).
It took me a long time to find out what the corals prefer to eat, which
ingredient entices them or stimulates their growth.
I also only use the highest quality ingredients available. For the record
there is NO Artemia, NO Zooplankton or Phytoplankton powder in Acan Plus. Most
coral products contain these because they are cheap fillers.

Somebody said "ANYTHING could be in there."
Wrong. I don't just put anything in my food. Every single ingredient has been
tested extensively for its nutritional value to promote the greatest amount
of growth. Keep in mind that I put the same food I'm selling into my own
tank every day and I am definitely not putting "just anything" in there.

I have been working on this food for years now. I do not disclose anything
on how I process and make the food, because I am not giving big companies
like Fauna Marin tips on how to copy me.
I have already seen Fauna Marin referring to their new acan food as "Ultra
Acan Plus" and using my description and text almost word for word.
Should I just hand them my recipe as well?






love it and keep up the good work, we need more hobbyst like your self:) cheers mate:)

[ponokareefer]

How can I get my hands on this product? My new brain was being fed with it and growing great.

[fishoholic]

If you want Acan+ to stand out from the rest it's going to require some transparency and your current excuse for a blank ingredient list isn't cutting it. If Fauna Marine truly wants to steal your ingredient list let them, you already stated you don't do this for the money so clearly they can't compete with your prices.

IMO the results from using acan plus make this product stand out far above the rest.

Why on earth would he give away his trade secrets for others to copy? Company's like KFC are not going to give up their secret ingredients that makes their chicken recipe stand out from the rest so why should he give up his ingredient list. He worked hard on his formula and everyone who has used has had great results with it, personally I don't care what's in it I'm just glad it works as well as it does.

How can I get my hands on this product? My new brain was being fed with it and growing great.

Red Coral Stores sell Acan plus.

[RedCoralOnlineStore]

For those of you looking, Acan Plus is available on RedCoral Online. I have had numerous emails about shipping on Acan Plus. Perhaps get a couole of yourselves together and order a few at a time to split the shipping.
Jason(Jmes) is an outstanding individual with a great product. Keep up the good work.

[Ryan]

IMO the results from using acan plus make this product stand out far above the rest.

Why on earth would he give away his trade secrets for others to copy? Company's like KFC are not going to give up their secret ingredients that makes their chicken recipe stand out from the rest so why should he give up his ingredient list. He worked hard on his formula and everyone who has used has had great results with it, personally I don't care what's in it I'm just glad it works as well as it does.



Red Coral Stores sell Acan plus.




He has already given out his recipe by allowing the product to sell public. You dont think Fauna Marin could pick the food apart and figure out whats in it at what ratio?

All you would have to do is put it under a microscope and it would show what is in the food.



Now correct me if I am wrong here but isnt it Law that ingredients must be listed on product in Canada?

[Skimmerking]

J Well I like your stuff you know that I'm sick about ACANs too ,we might as well be brothers. I called Jmes up one day and asked him what am I dong to my acans they are dying on me. i told him what I was feeding and he offered to send me some food to try out and man what wver it was i didn't care all my acans came back and the ones that were down to near death.

Keep doing what you re doing man. i support you all the way.

[fishytime]

Now correct me if I am wrong here but isnt it Law that ingredients must be listed on product in Canada?

Im not sure about the legalities, but do pohl's products list their ingredients?

[Skimmerking]

Cant we all just get along.

I use your product in my tank and have seen great results with it. I have used Fauna Marin and seen the same results as well. Both good products and its nice to see it locally made.

The problem I have with your write up is this. In one breath you say your not in it for the money.
"My personal goal is, and always will be, to make the highest quality food to
promote the greatest amount of growth and just have healthy beautiful corals
PERIOD. I believe the growth and size of my corals speak for themselves."

Yet in another breath you complain about another company trying to copy your product. Of course its going to happen. You think Mr. Ford didnt see it coming with the automobile?

Personally I enjoy sharing information with other hobbyists whether they be someones private tank or major company. It only benefits the hobby when people share their experience, what works for them, what doesnt and so on. Its only when people try to hide what has been working from everyone else that this hobby with fall. Unfortunately I am seeing more and more of it as time goes on. I am not saying go hand your recipe paper out to Fauna or any other company, you have already done that by make your product available to the public.

IMO you should be proud a big company like Fauna Marin sees you as such a big threat they need to try to use your product to sell theirs. Acan Plus has seen such great results with just word of mouth along with posts here from buyers. Why not just enjoy your success instead of complaining?

Not to mention a little competition keeps businesses honest. Put out a good product for a good price and you will reap the rewards. I am sure you know this already with Acan Plus.

Now if this is a shot at someone or someones company maybe you need to take your drama off canreef. We have seen enough of it in the past year to get our fill.

I think you are just Bitching for the hell of it Ryan, one minute that you are talking about Drama and you have seen enough of it this year. Now you are starting Drama with your Post. give it a rest.

[Money pit]

Now correct me if I am wrong here but isnt it Law that ingredients must be listed on product in Canada?

I believe there is for food meant for human consumption, along with the nutritional facts. Food for other than human consumption, I don't know.
BTW this post has me interested in this Acan food. Seems the people using it are pretty impressed. I'm going to have to look into picking some up.

[Zoaelite]

I couldn't agree more, the internet is full of peoples opinion.

That's the problem though, If I wanted I could state that my new "Copper lucky charms fish food" is magically delicious and that it will cause your corals to grow 12X faster than anything else on the market. With out proof let alone an ingredient list my opinion could cause someone to try said food only to crash there tank.

Back on topic I have personally used Acan+ with a pretty wicked feeding response, I know you've created a outstanding product James but I'm with Kevin on this one if you lack a label I won't buy your product end of story.

Would you agree the internet is LARGELY baised on opinion?
Youtube, facebook, blogs, even wiki.

Do you agree MOST internet fourms are just people opinions on a subject?

Do you agree the MAJORITY of Canreef Aquatics threads are about asking or giving opinions?

Do you also agree that MOST of these threads have little to no scientific proof or evidence?


I dont mind you calling me out, Im just deadly sick with a cold and dont really feel like typeing nor thinking.

Sorry about your head,
Take an advil.


Cant belive I actually started this, With my 9 post count :P , LOL

Which results though? Again this is the problem with an online forum, everyone keeps stating that it's amazing but no one is backing it with hard proof. There are 100's of people who advocate the use of "Alkaline water" and "Copper Health Bracelets" but that still doesn't turn there pseudoscience into real science.

IMO the results from using acan plus make this product stand out far above the rest.

Why on earth would he give away his trade secrets for others to copy? Company's like KFC are not going to give up their secret ingredients that makes their chicken recipe stand out from the rest so why should he give up his ingredient list. He worked hard on his formula and everyone who has used has had great results with it, personally I don't care what's in it I'm just glad it works as well as it does.

[Ryan]

J Well I like your stuff you know that I'm sick about ACANs too ,we might as well be brothers. I called Jmes up one day and asked him what am I dong to my acans they are dying on me. i told him what I was feeding and he offered to send me some food to try out and man what wver it was i didn't care all my acans came back and the ones that were down to near death.

Keep doing what you re doing man. i support you all the way.



I experienced the same results but with a Blastomussa wellsi. Skeleton was all that was left with a little flesh deep down inside. Now look at it!

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g79/Ryan_GSP/Frag%20Tank/9940d991.jpg

It gets bigger than that! The lights went on about half hour ago.

[paddyob]

Some people have misinterpreted my post and blowing things way out of proportion. I was just asked to respond to Paddyod thread as he had some questions and concerns about the ingredients .http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=70550&page=5were
I didn't want to hijack this growth thread, so I opened a new one. There is no bashing of other companies or drama. I was simply answering some questions.
Also some seem to misinterprete my sarcasm with complaining:razz:

And I appreciate it. Thanks!

I understand that you are worried about your recipe.... but that is what patents are for, are they not?

[Zoaelite]

I think you are just Bitching for the hell of it Ryan, one minute that you are talking about Drama and you have seen enough of it this year. Now you are starting Drama with your Post. give it a rest.

Ryan has nothing to gain from the sales of either Acan + or Marine F, I think his response is justified as all were looking for is some answers. I'm sure this thread will cause a massive increase in sales of Acan+ so if any of you would be kind enough to start an additional thread reviewing the product it would be greatly appreciated.

I'm a little disturbed at the blind following this product has, for some reason after Paddy's decided to stop using it people berated him for stopping and proceeded to advocate the product.

I mean come on guys Paddy explained very clearly why he stopped using it but for some reason you continue to use his thread for the promotion of Acan+.

[Ryan]

Im not sure about the legalities, but do pohl's products list their ingredients?


Thats what I was thinking and asked. I know non of the Zeovit products list their ingredients but it isnt even made in Canada so I wasnt sure.

[Ryan]

Its okay Levi. Asmodeus or skimmer freak or whatever he goes by now is just trying to defend his buddy when really noone is attacking him.

[Aquaria]

Cant we all just get along.

I use your product in my tank and have seen great results with it. I have used Fauna Marin and seen the same results as well. Both good products and its nice to see it locally made.

The problem I have with your write up is this. In one breath you say your not in it for the money.
"My personal goal is, and always will be, to make the highest quality food to
promote the greatest amount of growth and just have healthy beautiful corals
PERIOD. I believe the growth and size of my corals speak for themselves."

Yet in another breath you complain about another company trying to copy your product. Of course its going to happen. You think Mr. Ford didnt see it coming with the automobile?

Personally I enjoy sharing information with other hobbyists whether they be someones private tank or major company. It only benefits the hobby when people share their experience, what works for them, what doesnt and so on. Its only when people try to hide what has been working from everyone else that this hobby with fall. Unfortunately I am seeing more and more of it as time goes on. I am not saying go hand your recipe paper out to Fauna or any other company, you have already done that by make your product available to the public.

IMO you should be proud a big company like Fauna Marin sees you as such a big threat they need to try to use your product to sell theirs. Acan Plus has seen such great results with just word of mouth along with posts here from buyers. Why not just enjoy your success instead of complaining?

Not to mention a little competition keeps businesses honest. Put out a good product for a good price and you will reap the rewards. I am sure you know this already with Acan Plus.

Now if this is a shot at someone or someones company maybe you need to take your drama off canreef. We have seen enough of it in the past year to get our fill.

First off when a big company takes an intrest in a small company it almost always ends with said small company closing there doors. people are not after healthly competition they want A monopoly and when a company can produce a similar product at half the cost because of them having access to ingredients(at a huge discount of course)and being able to mass produce means u can get said product for half the price js product prob is

[Coleus]

Jason,

Keep up the good works man, once i am running out of these Reef Roids, i will try yours.

Don't worry about what other ppl saying, just do whatever make you happy. It is impossible to please everyone. What others think do not do jack to you anyway. You have mine support all the way.

[paddyob]

I'm a little disturbed at the blind following this product has, for some reason after Paddy's decided to stop using it people berated him for stopping and proceeded to advocate the product.

I mean come on guys Paddy explained very clearly why he stopped using it but for some reason you continue to use his thread for the promotion of Acan+.


Thanks Levi.

[Zoaelite]

First off when a big company takes an intrest in a small company it almost always ends with said small company closing there doors. people are not after healthly competition they want A monopoly and when a company can produce a similar product at half the cost because of them having access to ingredients(at a huge discount of course)and being able to mass produce means that unless we help Jason by word of mouth and buying his acan plus FM is going to be the one on top

Again James stated he's not doing this for a profit, if that's true and he's in it for the general advancement of the hobby wouldn't supplying his product to a producer that can supply it to a greater customer base be his best option?

Then again I personally think it's crazy not to make a profit off such an innovative product but who am I to talk just another opinion on the internet haha.

[Aquaria]

As far as legal labels go I thought u didn't have to post an ingredient if it was below a given % which means u actually don't know all the ingredients to a given product anyway. Also they group ingredients together like the word spices (do u really think that's a transparent ingredient list?

[Aquaria]

Sry all I ment to say was that if a big company can produce a product at half the cost it mean we will almost always buy the cheaper product since were all trying to save money I mean can u really justify buying jmes product at an increased price if FM's product does the same work?

[Aquaria]

Also I edited out the last 2-3 lines of my first post in this thread because it sounded like I was promoting his product and I'm not

[Zoaelite]

As far as legal labels go I thought u didn't have to post an ingredient if it was below a given % which means u actually don't know all the ingredients to a given product anyway. Also they group ingredients together like the word spices (do u really think that's a transparent ingredient list?

A half assed ingredient list is still half ass more than a blank ingredient list.

James I would love your input on this, I know you have done your research as your product seems to work why not enlighten us with a little while keeping the major secrets your own?

[reefwars]

personally i think if anyone doesnt want to buy it because they dont know whats in it ....then dont.....isnt that the beauty of being a consumer...we have the choice to buy if we like and not to if we dont???


so far ive heard great things about what it does and great things about the maker and im not quite sure what the big deal is unless someone has had a bad experience they want to share??


making your own food isnt a new thing and if someone has made an awesome brew and wants to share it with other reefers then i say go for it..:):)

if i made a kickass remedy i sure as hell wouldnt want anyone to copy it either:):)

[Aquaria]

ya i bet if u added the top 5 ingredients in your product it would help with the people who need to see some stuff listed although i personally think that will open the door to a new thread stating ur keeping 5 ingredients secret and your product must be posion lol even after paddys steller before and after pics :P i mean i can say once i get some lps im going to be using ur product just from his thread i mean the colors he was getting before compared to after are proof alone it works for me

[paddyob]

Sry all I ment to say was that if a big company can produce a product at half the cost it mean we will almost always buy the cheaper product since were all trying to save money I mean can u really justify buying jmes product at an increased price if FM's product does the same work?

Has anyone bought FM? I know locally they definitely do not make their line more affordable, or cheaper.

Acan Plus is well priced at $20. And I have not seen FM priced lower on any coral food locally. So if cost is the factor, then most people would choose AP.

[ALang]

Ok, my 2 cents.
I've tried Acan Plus when I heard about some great things happening to others' acans/ LPS. As my tiny frags were not doing much but barely existing, I thought that I had nothing to lose. I bought and tried the stuff.
And all I can say is that, I have tried Reef Chili, but when I fed my acans, blastomussas, a tiny 3/4" frag of plate coral, and my other LPSs with Acan Plus, they all responded like nothing that I have seen before.
All my frags of barely living acans are now showing lots of fleshy polyps, my plate has grown to 1-1/2" and others are showing great colors and feeding responses, no matter what time of the day I fed them. And this is since after Christmas.
I didn't feed as often as Patrick did, either, just whenever I had the time and remembered to.
I don't really know what's in the bottle, just that it worked well for me. I have used lots of stuff in this hobby that I have had no idea what's in the bottle. Maybe that's wrong, but I think that everyone should have their own opinion as to how they'd like to manage their hobby.
And I also think that if everyone were to really read through what they have written down before they post for the world to see, we all could be saved from bad spelling and harsh-sounding comments.:sad:
It is my own decision to try something new, and this time, especially, I am very pleasantly surprised by the results. Great product, James. I will definitely continue to buy and use it.

[Aquaria]

Has anyone bought FM? I know locally they definitely do not make their line more affordable, or cheaper.

Acan Plus is well priced at $20. And I have not seen FM priced lower on any coral food locally. So if cost is the factor, then most people would choose AP.
Sry when I was in jl aquatics the other day I thought I saw the bottle of FM for under 20 but I coulda been looking at the wrong tag I apologize

[paddyob]

Sry when I was in jl aquatics the other day I thought I saw the bottle of FM for under 20 but I coulda been looking at the wrong tag I apologize

Don't be sorry. I am in Edmonton. Prices could be different where you are.

[hillegom]

Because I see so many people saying good things about Acan + (ingredient list notwithstanding) I would try this product to make up my own mind. If the corals do better, like everyone says, I would buy it again because then I could say the product works in my tank
I don't see what all the hullabaloo is about. Acan + either works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then nobody would buy it. If it works because it had magic in it, I would still buy it because it "works"
Just my 2cts

[Ryan]

after some digging around and phone calls I have found out an indgredient list must be listed on all pet foods.

So Acan Plus and Zeovit is actually not properly labeled and cannot legally be sold in Canada.

Refer to section 3.2 a)


http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/01229.html

[Howdy]

Last time I looked I don't think Acan Plus was fish food. Just my two cents.


after some digging around and phone calls I have found out an indgredient list must be listed on all pet foods.

So Acan Plus and Zeovit is actually not properly labeled and cannot legally be sold in Canada.

Refer to section 3.2 a)


http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/01229.html

[The Grizz]

after some digging around and phone calls I have found out an indgredient list must be listed on all pet foods.

So Acan Plus and Zeovit is actually not properly labeled and cannot legally be sold in Canada.

Refer to section 3.2 a)


http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/01229.html

No saying you are wrong Ryan but do coral's fall under the category of being a pet? I would think that a pet would have to be a member of an animal species.

Just a question?

[blacknife]

even then not all ingredients are listed there is lots of crap in most dog/cat foods that are not listed in the ingredients unless you dig deep on the internet.
yummy things.. like preservatives that actually cause problems in your pets long term.

[The Grizz]

even then not all ingredients are listed there is lots of crap in most dog/cat foods that are not listed in the ingredients unless you dig deep on the internet.
yummy things.. like preservatives that actually cause problems in your pets long term.

Exactly, it took my wife 3 months and many phone call to some of the big name dog food brands to find a food that lists ALL there ingredients and have zero filler for our Huskies.

[Coleus]

ok where can i get a sampler so I can test this stuff out.

[lorenz0]

? I would think that a pet would have to be a member of an animal species.

Just a question?

Coral's are considered an animal (pending the type that is) mushrooms are still considered fungi and leathers as well if I remember correctly.

Still don't see the fuss in here, he honestly puts in all the effort to supply a food that in reality is to costly to produce. and it works to. Laurie had a good point with KFC, print off that document and storm into one demanding to see all the ingredients. If something has been proven to work, no point questioning it

[Skimmerking]

I'm just bothered by you Ryan you are making a stink about this Acan plus if you don't like it and don't agree with it then don't buy it. Personally I think that you are just causing a stink about it, because of whatever happened that your corals are not responding to it. Every type of corals and tanks are different.

give it a rest man. People on here totally disagree with me going over to Afghanistan. I don't really care what people are saying. People on here disagree that skimmer's LED's, pumps, Food whatever. I think that you got the point across and you have made your point. You don't like the food and it doesn't hold a list of materials that is used to make it. really does it matter.

[Ryan]

When I talked them I asked specifically about coral foods and they said it needs to be listed as well. All major ingredients must be listed.

[Ryan]

I think you need to reread my posts. I am quiet happy with it and still use it. I am just stating facts, if you dont like it you do t need to read it.

[Xenia]

after some digging around and phone calls I have found out an indgredient list must be listed on all pet foods.

So Acan Plus and Zeovit is actually not properly labeled and cannot legally be sold in Canada.

Refer to section 3.2 a)


http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/01229.html

This guide applies to cat and dog food only. It says following in the introduction:

"The Guide applies to all claims concerning pet food products included in labelling, advertising, promotional materials and all other forms of marketing in connection with the sale of these products. Please note, however, that the Guide is restricted to the labelling and advertising of prepackaged pet food for dogs and cats, and does not apply to pet treats or to food for other pets."

Then it says under that paragraph:

"This guide is not law."

Sad fact is that we still don't know what is in our dog and cat food, because even if it has an ingredient list on the packaging, the food still contains cheap ingredients from China and I don't think they will declare the traces of melamine in it.

We can not even be sure that there is no crap in the food we consume everyday. Well, actually I do know it is overpriced garbage that is offered to us consumers, in a fancy box and at a premium price. Big Companies have a whole team of lawyers who are professionals in concealing undesirable facts and getting around laws and regulations, of course a well-sized marketing budget is set aside to make the garbage palatable to the consumer.

I really have to keep that in mind everytime I go to a large chain grocery store in a hurry instead of trying to make it to a local farmer's market or butcher's shop.

[Skimmerking]

I think you need to reread my posts. I am quiet happy with it and still use it. I am just stating facts, if you dont like it you do t need to read it.
I have reread your posts you are bitching cause there isn't a list of ingredients. then dont worry about it again if its bothering you then don't buy it.

its friggin coral food OMG get over it man. I just can't believe that you are on this don't put it in your tank then you are the only prson who is havng a problem with it.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Skimmerking]

Cant we all just get along.

I use your product in my tank and have seen great results with it. I have used Fauna Marin and seen the same results as well. Both good products and its nice to see it locally made.

The problem I have with your write up is this. In one breath you say your not in it for the money.
"My personal goal is, and always will be, to make the highest quality food to
promote the greatest amount of growth and just have healthy beautiful corals
PERIOD. I believe the growth and size of my corals speak for themselves."

Yet in another breath you complain about another company trying to copy your product. Of course its going to happen. You think Mr. Ford didnt see it coming with the automobile?

Personally I enjoy sharing information with other hobbyists whether they be someones private tank or major company. It only benefits the hobby when people share their experience, what works for them, what doesnt and so on. Its only when people try to hide what has been working from everyone else that this hobby with fall. Unfortunately I am seeing more and more of it as time goes on. I am not saying go hand your recipe paper out to Fauna or any other company, you have already done that by make your product available to the public.

IMO you should be proud a big company like Fauna Marin sees you as such a big threat they need to try to use your product to sell theirs. Acan Plus has seen such great results with just word of mouth along with posts here from buyers. Why not just enjoy your success instead of complaining?

Not to mention a little competition keeps businesses honest. Put out a good product for a good price and you will reap the rewards. I am sure you know this already with Acan Plus.

Now if this is a shot at someone or someones company maybe you need to take your drama off canreef. We have seen enough of it in the past year to get our fill.

To me you need from this post you are stating that you are unhapy with the Acan plus and you are just bitching end of story.

the Problem I have with your write up is >>>>>>>>>>

I don't think people care you have a problem. if you have a problem with his food ingredients then take it to a PM .. you my friend are the drama in this post.

WOW

[Ross]

I'm guessing the ingrediant list is simple...
http://theflickcast.com/wp-content/uploads//soylent_green-simpsons.gif

Seriously though if it works great then use it.
People still eat hot dogs and we know whats in them.


Ingrediant list or not, they seem to like it and grow well as a result.
I for one am going to buy ACAN+ as long as JMES keeps making it.
He may well decide to stop and then where does that leave us?

[Ryan]

Maybe you should go through the thread again and quote the posts saying how much I like it.

I know your just trying to defend your little buddy and I will say it again for you because it seems to take you a while to catch on. I am not attacking James or the product.

[Bblinks]

Ok, where can I get my hands on acan plus. :mrgreen: I wanna try it out for myself. Bring it on.

[fishytime]

Ok, where can I get my hands on acan plus. :mrgreen: I wanna try it out for myself. Bring it on.

Red Coral Online could probably hook you up:biggrin:

[Bblinks]

Thanks fishytime, I am on it.
:mrgreen:
Red Coral Online could probably hook you up:biggrin:

[Zoaelite]

Coral's are considered an animal (pending the type that is) mushrooms are still considered fungi and leathers as well if I remember correctly.

Still don't see the fuss in here, he honestly puts in all the effort to supply a food that in reality is to costly to produce. and it works to. Laurie had a good point with KFC, print off that document and storm into one demanding to see all the ingredients. If something has been proven to work, no point questioning it

:neutral: There is no soft coral that is considered a fungi, your mixing up the family name with a kingdom name.

Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Cnidaria
Class: Anthozoa
Order: Scleractinia
Suborder: Fungiina
Family: Fungiidae

Fungi have there own kingdom in the new "3 domain" classification of species.
Domain: Eukaryota
(unranked): Opisthokonta
Kingdom: Fungi

Silly Laurier... Shrooms are for kids!!:razz:.

I'm +1 with Ryan here, again I personally have used Acan+ with good results. All I'm saying is James is making some pretty large claims not only about his food but his competitors actions, claims on the internet have to be backed up... Haha I just burst out laughing on that one. Well no they don't have to be backed up but you can't honestly expect me to purchase your food after you say there's zero fillers and it's the BEST but no one can know the ingredients because someone is going to steal it.

[fishytime]

Ok first of all..... the mans name is Jason, not James.......

and second, Levi...have you ever used any zeo products?.....probably widely considered to be the best additives for your reef...... and no ingredients list......the proof is in the pudding..... just look at the mans corals....have you ever seen a Duncan that looks like a torch?..... http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69638 .......scroll down.......:wink:

[Zoaelite]

Ok first of all..... the mans name is Jason, not James.......

and second, Levi...have you ever used any zeo products?.....probably widely considered to be the best additives for your reef...... and no ingredients list......the proof is in the pudding..... just look at the mans corals....have you ever seen a Duncan that looks like a torch?..... http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69638 .......scroll down.......:wink:

My apologies for some reason I keep mixing up peoples names, and again I know his product works as I have personally used it. I'm taking the lazy approach on my reef as of late, no zeovit, no fancy chemicals, no acan plus and in my opinion there has been no difference.

[hillegom]

Well, I would still like to try it.
Anyone here in BC carry it? Specifically lower mainland?

[Ryan]

Red coral has the exclusive on it and even though red coral is the distributor there is a good chance no saltwater specialty store would buy products from a competiting store.

[Bblinks]

Well, I would still like to try it.
Anyone here in BC carry it? Specifically lower mainland?

I just priced it out, it cost 20 for the acan plus but shipping is around 15, I am not sure if I can justify spending almost as much on shipping as it would cost for the product.

[paddyob]

Red coral has the exclusive on it and even though red coral is the distributor there is a good chance no saltwater specialty store would buy products from a competiting store.

Agreed. I feel this will limit the distribution. If you really want to make it fly, you need to distribute it yourself.

Red Coral has a good thing going for themselves.

[The Grizz]

Quote from Bblinks:

I just priced it out, it cost 20 for the acan plus but shipping is around 15, I am not sure if I can justify spending almost as much on shipping as it would cost for the product. End Quote



Just order a bunch of corals from Red Coral Online store and have them put it in the box as well.:biggrin:

[fishytime]

Just order a bunch of corals from Red Coral Online store and have them put it in the box as well.:biggrin:

Now there's someone who's thinking!!!:lol::wink:

[Coleus]

My apologies for some reason I keep mixing up peoples names, and again I know his product works as I have personally used it. I'm taking the lazy approach on my reef as of late, no zeovit, no fancy chemicals, no acan plus and in my opinion there has been no difference.

I have to disagree, i have seen the same coral in two of top tanks on canreef and one tank has a much nicer color because of zeovit.

Sure, you don't have to feed your coral and they are still doing ok, but if you want it to grow fast and have nicer color, you need supplement feed.

It is all to a personal reference.

If Acan plus can make my duncan extend its tentacles like a torch then all koodos to Jason and I don't give a crap what is in there. :-)

[Skimmerking]

not a problem Ryan i wil take this to a PM with you.

[Skimmerking]

I was going to take this to a pm, but why:crazy:

[lorenz0]

Silly Laurier... Shrooms are for kids!!:razz:.



the ones in a baggy help me see the world better :mrgreen: .... speaking of mushrooms, where did that baggy go

but thanks, always fun to learn something new every day

[Bblinks]

Well, I would still like to try it.
Anyone here in BC carry it? Specifically lower mainland?

I just priced it out, it cost 20 for the acan plus but shipping is around 15, I am not sure if I can justify spending almost as much on shipping as to the actual price of the product.

[Cranky When Wet]

+1000 Acan Plus

Dear Jason,

I'd love to see you patent the pending, 13 ingredient, formula and urge you to consider ramifications of exclusivity... Patents are quite expensive but the process doesn't require the entire cost to be paid immediately. And yes, marketing costs money but I truly believe in your product. Partnerships have benefits but they can be limiting if not total train wrecks. I know you are not doing it for the money now; but, there is serious potential here for you.

Keep up the great work and know you are appreciated!

I. Horvath aka Bunny

p.s. One trade show in the right country may be a huge start.....

[RedCoralOnlineStore]

You are correct on the shipping, it is pricey for one bottle...Canada Post...wish I could get it to you cheaper as I have had numerous emails on Acan Plus with shipping being our biggest obstacle. Keep in mind that I could actually ship 10 bottles for that $15 shipping. If there are a few of you in the same area I suggest going together on it to cut the cost. :wink:

[H2o2]

Maybe i missed it some where but what is the shelf live of Acan+ cause i am only home every 2 weeks to feed it for a week.
Thanks

[hillegom]

I would be in for a group buy.
+1 How long is shelf life? Refrigeration required?
Thanks

[fishoholic]

Still don't see the fuss in here, he honestly puts in all the effort to supply a food that in reality is to costly to produce. and it works to. Laurie had a good point with KFC, print off that document and storm into one demanding to see all the ingredients. If something has been proven to work, no point questioning it

Exactly, Thank-you :biggrin:

if you have a problem with his food ingredients then take it to a PM .. you my friend are the drama in this post.



Agreed

[Hawkaholic]

There aren't any ingredients listed on the product...why would there be a shelf life or if it should be refrigerated. Just thought I would throw this in here cuz this thread is starting to get retarded but funny at the same time. :mrgreen::lol:

I myself use Acan Plus and I love it and will continue to use it with or without an ingredients list. Its funny how one person is just a bit curious about the ingredients should be listed and someone else gets bent out of shape cuz he/she is getting more attention(tissue anyone??)

Personally I would pay $45 to $50 for Acan Plus if it gets my corals looking good. If I have a $100-$150-$200 coral I need to feed...who gives a rats ass how much it costs. Anyone who has a reef tank but bitches about cost should REALLY find another hobby.

James or Jason...you did a great thing with this product (hats off) but sorry to say you should have known something like this was going to happen.

And lastly...with bullshit like this thread...it really takes the fun out of this hobby...grow up people.*

*My apologies to the mods and canreef for this post

[lastlight]

Jason I made you a label.

http://www.fishbrains.net/images/97/acan_plus.gif

[fishoholic]

Jason I made you a label.

http://www.fishbrains.net/images/97/acan_plus.gif

:lol:

AWESOME!

Best looking label I've seen in awhile :mrgreen:

[RedCoralEdmonton]

Here are the ingredients: Tiger Blood and Adonis DNA.... nuff said

http://static.poponthepop.com/files/charlie-winning.png

Steve

[The Grizz]

Maybe i missed it some where but what is the shelf live of Acan+ cause i am only home every 2 weeks to feed it for a week.
Thanks

I would be in for a group buy.
+1 How long is shelf life? Refrigeration required?
Thanks

Acan+ is a powder that you mix with water to your desired thickness, so no real shelf life and doesn't need to be refrigerated.

[The Grizz]

There aren't any ingredients listed on the product...why would there be a shelf life or if it should be refrigerated. Just thought I would throw this in here cuz this thread is starting to get retarded but funny at the same time. :mrgreen::lol:

I myself use Acan Plus and I love it and will continue to use it with or without an ingredients list. Its funny how one person is just a bit curious about the ingredients should be listed and someone else gets bent out of shape cuz he/she is getting more attention(tissue anyone??)

Personally I would pay $45 to $50 for Acan Plus if it gets my corals looking good. If I have a $100-$150-$200 coral I need to feed...who gives a rats ass how much it costs. Anyone who has a reef tank but bitches about cost should REALLY find another hobby.

James or Jason...you did a great thing with this product (hats off) but sorry to say you should have known something like this was going to happen.

And lastly...with bullshit like this thread...it really takes the fun out of this hobby...grow up people.*

*My apologies to the mods and canreef for this post


Could not have said it better myself. If you want to try it then try it, if you like the what it does for your coral - buy it again.


Jason I made you a label.

http://www.fishbrains.net/images/97/acan_plus.gif

+1 awesome, I would have put the word ' goodness' in place of win but it is still awesome.:lol:

[ElGuappo]

OK time for my 2 pennies...

first of all when did can reef become a so opinionated?????? a year ago half these posts would have been removed before they were read by more than a couple people.... while i agree that freedom of speech is important, we do NOT always have to exercise this RIGHT....

IMO what we have here is someone who has developed their own food for themselves and has decided to help suppliment the costs by selling it... GOOD for him.... ( is michikas food next for the attack? Which i dont use but would if my fish had more of a tast for it..... just another good example of the entreprenureal (sp sorry) skills exhibited by fello canfeefers... and please dont bring up the fact that she has listed her ingredient list... this is little more than an excuse to question ones methods.. again if you wont use a product without a ingredient list then dont...
I use what works for me and not because someone tells me to but because i can see results in my tanks..


in closing all i am going to say is IF YOU LIKE THIS PRODUCT USE IT... IF YOU HAVE SOME PROBLEM WITH THE PACKAGING OR OTHERWISE THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND USE ANOTHER PRODUCT AN LEAVE IT AT THAT..

This thread has lost its OPINIONATIVE tone and started towards an argumentitive one for no reason (that i can see) other than someone wants the recipe... Just reading between the lines here...


Great job jason keep up the good work..

[es355lucille]

I think its time for spring to be here.....everyone is worked up.

Smile :biggrin: its really easy to do.

Have a great day guys & gals! Enjoy the hobby we really are passionate about.

[Xenia]

Maybe i missed it some where but what is the shelf live of Acan+ cause i am only home every 2 weeks to feed it for a week.
Thanks

I would be in for a group buy.
+1 How long is shelf life? Refrigeration required?
Thanks

The shelf life is one year after the manufacturing date. Refrigeration is not required, just store in a cool dry place.
I guess if you put it in the fridge it stays fresher, just like other food.

The last bottle I've seen in the store has February 2011 on it, so I think the freshness factor is pretty good.

[H2o2]

Time to give it a try then cause it sounds great and i want my acans to be winners

[hillegom]

The shelf life is one year after the manufacturing date. Refrigeration is not required, just store in a cool dry place.
I guess if you put it in the fridge it stays fresher, just like other food.

The last bottle I've seen in the store has February 2011 on it, so I think the freshness factor is pretty good.

Thanks Grizz and Xenia

[Skimmerking]

OK time for my 2 pennies...

first of all when did can reef become a so opinionated?????? a year ago half these posts would have been removed before they were read by more than a couple people.... while i agree that freedom of speech is important, we do NOT always have to exercise this RIGHT....

IMO what we have here is someone who has developed their own food for themselves and has decided to help suppliment the costs by selling it... GOOD for him.... ( is michikas food next for the attack? Which i dont use but would if my fish had more of a tast for it..... just another good example of the entreprenureal (sp sorry) skills exhibited by fello canfeefers... and please dont bring up the fact that she has listed her ingredient list... this is little more than an excuse to question ones methods.. again if you wont use a product without a ingredient list then dont...
I use what works for me and not because someone tells me to but because i can see results in my tanks..


in closing all i am going to say is IF YOU LIKE THIS PRODUCT USE IT... IF YOU HAVE SOME PROBLEM WITH THE PACKAGING OR OTHERWISE THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND USE ANOTHER PRODUCT AN LEAVE IT AT THAT..

This thread has lost its OPINIONATIVE tone and started towards an argumentitive one for no reason (that i can see) other than someone wants the recipe... Just reading between the lines here...


Great job jason keep up the good work..

well said man.

[H2o2]

Just have to say with all the good reports i had to order some acan+ from Red Coral Online and if this stuff is as half as good as the service i received from Carmen I will be impressed.
Thanks

[RedCoralOnlineStore]

Just have to say with all the good reports i had to order some acan+ from Red Coral Online and if this stuff is as half as good as the service i received from Carmen I will be impressed.
Thanks
Thanks Harry!:wink: