ok ok so I can't keep the tank down much longer

[StirCrazy]

so I am restarting the 30 gal project and I need to find a show piece fish to live in the tank. lets hear the sugestions. I would like a tang, but even as liberal as I am I can't justify one in a tank this size, 40 gal maybe but not 30. I don't think I want clown fish.

the tank will be SPS and bare bottom with extreamly high lighting levels. over skimmed and very high flow.

Steve

[Aquattro]

marine betta. or a guppy :)

[Skimmerking]

Steve make is a invert tank
blue linkia
Red linkia
blood shrimp x 4

[Zoaelite]

Steve make is a invert tank
blue linkia
Red linkia
blood shrimp x 4

That and a whack load of sexies and you got my vote.

Or...
http://liveaquaria.com/diversden/ItemDisplay.cfm?c=2733+3&ddid=109865
If they can handle the SPS flow requirements.

[StirCrazy]

Steve make is a invert tank
blue linkia
Red linkia
blood shrimp x 4

hmm, not realy good at all, linkia's require a min 50 gal tank for 1, and dont do extreamly well in captivity, besides I am not realy kean on starfish.. some tend to eat corals, clams, ect.

blood shrimp are reclusive and not realy a show piece..


Steve

[Aquattro]

Pretty sure a nice show guppy would look great!!

[StirCrazy]

That and a whack load of sexies and you got my vote.

Or...
http://liveaquaria.com/diversden/ItemDisplay.cfm?c=2733+3&ddid=109865
If they can handle the SPS flow requirements.

ya with the flow I plan on these poor guys would be flat. and I don't realy condone seahorses in captivity soooo..

hmm this is going to be hard.. need a very active swimmer... is there any small tangs?

Steve

[Aquattro]

you put me on ignore, didn't you?? guppy...

[BlueTang<3]

Do a blotched anthasis.

[StirCrazy]

Do a blotched anthasis.

I do like anthias but I would want a few and for that you need a bigger tank...

Steve

[jorjef]

I can't remember who had that GIANT green brittle star (pic of it in a salt pale) but he would fill the tank..... Or a guppy!

[Aquattro]

..... Or a guppy!

Now he's gonna ignore you too :(

[StirCrazy]

Or a guppy!

you related to a certian smartA$$ mod on here?


Steve

[Aquattro]

you related to a certian smartA$$ mod on here?


Steve

you'd miss me if you killed me :)

[BlueTang<3]

How about a dwarf angel or wrasse?

[jorjef]

No not really just lmao when I read.......



you put me on ignore, didn't you?? guppy...

[Aquattro]

Steve's gone to walmart, he'll be back later. This is all just a game. He wants someone to validate getting a tang, but he knows Wayne will get him! Bad Steve...-lol

[toytech]

some kinda flasher wrasses like a couple McCoskers , or maybe a huge tang , with enough flow it will feel like its swimming realy fast and wont need much space !

[freezetyle]

He wants someone to validate getting a tang, but he knows Wayne will get him! Bad Steve...-lol

get an Achilles or unicorn tang! i hear they adapt to whatever size tank they are in...

(did i do good brad?:mrgreen:)


but in all seriousness.

one of these would be cool
http://liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=15+20+1917&pcatid=1917

flame hawk fish.
maybe a neon dottyback or a member of the dottyback family with some color

[jorjef]

Is he back?? Cus i want to give the guppy another plug..

[jorjef]

I know it's on everyones most hated list, but if you had two or three Yellow tail blue Damsels and nothing else....... the blue could look super neon under the right lights...

[Mandosh]

Swissguard Basslet

...or if you really want to drop some cash.
http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/ItemDisplay.cfm?c=2733+3&ddid=102493

[Aquattro]

I know it's on everyones most hated list, but if you had two or three Yellow tail blue Damsels and nothing else....... the blue could look super neon under the right lights...

I have 3 of these and love them. Problem with these guys is I started with 16. They tend to like killing each other

[2pts]

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1913/24064137850fba4e808d.jpg

[StirCrazy]

Steve's gone to walmart, he'll be back later. This is all just a game. He wants someone to validate getting a tang, but he knows Wayne will get him! Bad Steve...-lol

thanks. trouble maker :mrgreen:

Seriously though, even though I don't conform to the 200 gal plus for a tang crowd I couldn't justify one in a 30 gal tank, unless it was a very small one, but then I am not planning on getting a bigger tank when it gets bigger so it would be irresponsible of me to get one in the first place.

I was thinking of a coral beauty (some one mentioned a dwarf angel) as I have had good luck with one before in respect to the corals, but I don't know how they are in very high flow conditions. maybe I might have to drop the tank flow to under 100X turnover.

Steve

[freezetyle]

thanks. trouble maker :mrgreen:

Seriously though, even though I don't conform to the 200 gal plus for a tang crowd I couldn't justify one in a 30 gal tank, unless it was a very small one, but then I am not planning on getting a bigger tank when it gets bigger so it would be irresponsible of me to get one in the first place.

I was thinking of a coral beauty (some one mentioned a dwarf angel) as I have had good luck with one before in respect to the corals, but I don't know how they are in very high flow conditions. maybe I might have to drop the tank flow to under 100X turnover.

Steve

i had one in a biocube with a mp20 full bore and a k1. and it was fine. how much flow were you thinking?

[StirCrazy]

i had one in a biocube with a mp20 full bore and a k1. and it was fine. how much flow were you thinking?

well I was looking at about 4500gph in a 30 gal tank. but it will be through out the tank and no jetting, more of a mass water movment

Steve

[Aquattro]

well I was looking at about 4500gph in a 30 gal tank. but it will be through out the tank and no jetting, more of a mass water movment

Steve

Why on earth would you want that in a 30g??

[lastlight]

4-stripe damsels. They looks fantabulous with sps and I'm sure they can handle your flow. I also think they're quite attractive.

[StirCrazy]

Why on earth would you want that in a 30g??

tidal simulation, also the higher flow you can produce with out jetting increases the health and color of your corals assuming everything else is adiquite also.

Steve

[lastlight]

tidal simulation, also the higher flow you can produce with out jetting increases the health and color of your corals assuming everything else is adiquite also.

Steve

That should read: "Because I can sucka!"

[Aquattro]

That should read: "Because I can sucka!"

lol

I guess it just sounds a bit excessive to me :)

[lastlight]

Once you've mastered the art of 100w of lighting / gallon you gotta get creative.

[StirCrazy]

lol

I guess it just sounds a bit excessive to me :)

I had a 135X turnover rate in the 94 gal, why not shoot for this or a little higher int he 30 gal. one thing I can tell you about high flow rates is that it reduces if not elimanates bleaching as I found out by taking a birdsnest from a low light tank and then fragging it up and putting the frags about 6" from the surface in my old tank. the corals should have bleached in 5 min but they didn't bleach at all.

Steve

[StirCrazy]

Once you've mastered the art of 100w of lighting / gallon you gotta get creative.

hmmm.. I still don't like the watts per gal comparasons.. doesn't mean anything. I could get that level easy with 100 watt bulbs but they wouldn't grow nothing but algae :mrgreen:

I am actualy looking more towards 4.8 watts of light per gal, with this tank :wink:

Steve

[Aquattro]

Just thinking about the requisite velocity of that flow and the distance required to disperse. I think the fish might get pinned against the glass :)

[StirCrazy]

Just thinking about the requisite velocity of that flow and the distance required to disperse. I think the fish might get pinned against the glass :)

thats why I want a strong swimmer silly :mrgreen: besides the flow will reverse after about 5 hours and be chaotic for about an hour then he will be on the other side :wink:

Steve

[toytech]

4500 gph , are you putting an evinrude in there , or are you more of a marine chevy big block kinda guy for flow like that !

[fiorano]

...4500 gph eh? id say a sea horse ... or maybe a pipe fish.
but if you really want that display fish look. hatch about 300,000 brine shrimp in there. Man would that ever be fabulous!

[lastlight]

hmmm.. I still don't like the watts per gal comparasons.. doesn't mean anything. I could get that level easy with 100 watt bulbs but they wouldn't grow nothing but algae :mrgreen:

I am actualy looking more towards 4.8 watts of light per gal, with this tank :wink:

Steve

Yeah I know that =) Was the wittiest thing I could come up with. I'm in no way saying it was witty but...well anyways I'm curious to see what you do lol.

[StirCrazy]

ok so I got an idea, but it would require me finding mandrins that are eating prepared foods.. how hard are these to find now days?

Steve

[BlueTang<3]

Any green spotted mandarin usually will take prepared foods. Look at getting a ora mandarin if you want they are guaranteed to eat pellets. For the record i have 122X turn over in my display and 160X in my frag and the dwarf angles love it.

[StirCrazy]

Any green spotted mandarin usually will take prepared foods. Look at getting a ora mandarin if you want they are guaranteed to eat pellets.

does the ORA sell psyadellic ones or just green spotted? I am not a fan of the green spotted ones.

good to know about the flow rates, which dwarf do you have?

Steve

[BlueTang<3]

Yeah they have both mandrins. I got a flame he is never touched a coral but thinks he is the biggest fish in the tank along with some large tangs so that is kinda a problem with them.