did I kill it all, KH of around 30

[KevinK]

so I removed my old frag tank today, and installed the new 90 gal frag tank.

everything fine.

so I made new S water 2 days ago to go in, as I needed more water.

I had a 25 gal tub and 3x 5 gal cans with water.

while removing the old frag tank, and making space for the new one, I put aside the 5 gal can with sodium bic. (baking soda mix) (there was still 2.5 gallon in there.

so when filling up the new frag tank, it was all running fine, untill, the shock of my live, I tossed the 2.5 gal of baking soda in as well.


bang, everything white as hell.

I mesured directly after and I get to around a KH of 30 to 32

proublem is i dont have any more water to quickly take tank water out and new water in to lower it (I can make 27 gal in about 14 houre)


did I kill everything ????? is it by by nice 450 gal tank???

dard,, FFF, and all the rest

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[Aquattro]

Quickly look up how to lower alk, I recall vinegar might do it. Check the Reefcentral chemistry forum, and take whatever drastic action neccesary

[KevinK]

I'm already locking around what the fatal levle would be.

as well as how to lower it fast,

cant find it yet

[Aquattro]

I know that Instant Ocean had some bad salt that raised alk to about 30, most people lost everything in the tank...

[KevinK]

I know that Instant Ocean had some bad salt that raised alk to about 30, most people lost everything in the tank...

not the news I was hoping, still locking for a solution, i hope progressive has some water fro me tomorrow, so I can change water faster in stead of about 40 gal a day

[Aquattro]

not the news I was hoping, still locking for a solution, i hope progressive has some water fro me tomorrow, so I can change water faster in stead of about 40 gal a day

Kevin, if the alk is that high, I'm not sure tomorrow will be soon enough.

[KevinK]

Kevin, if the alk is that high, I'm not sure tomorrow will be soon enough.

I know but I can only make so much water I;m calling around to find new water ASAP

[Aquattro]

Your problem is your tank is too big!!! :) You can buy water at most of the grocery stores, super store near you will have some. Might cost a bit, but might be worth it. I've got 5g here, but that's literally a drop in the bucket for your system!

[KevinK]

calling for anyone in Victoria that has a batch of RODI water as you can read, I'm in a big dip at the time, Anyone

[Borderjumper]

Your problem is your tank is too big!!! :) You can buy water at most of the grocery stores, super store near you will have some. Might cost a bit, but might be worth it. I've got 5g here, but that's literally a drop in the bucket for your system!


I've got 20 gallons of new salt water made up your welcome to but you would have to come and get it.. Maybe it would be enough to help the frag system if you can isolate it? You have my cell..

[KevinK]

Your problem is your tank is too big!!! :) You can buy water at most of the grocery stores, super store near you will have some. Might cost a bit, but might be worth it. I've got 5g here, but that's literally a drop in the bucket for your system!

i'm calling around to find some large amounds of water. thanks

[cuz]

is your tap water that terribly bad that its not an option vs doing nothing at all?

[Aquattro]

is your tap water that terribly bad that its not an option vs doing nothing at all?

Good thought. Our water is fine for an emergency water change. I'd start filling and go get some prime at petsmart. Rather have a bit of algae than dead tank critters

[Borderjumper]

Good thought. Our water is fine for an emergency water change. I'd start filling and go get some prime at petsmart. Rather have a bit of algae than dead tank critters
Agreed!

[Aquattro]

If you need it, I have a 50g drum here you can borrow for a few days. Maybe a 20g one as well.

[KevinK]

I willl go for the tap water, as I would need I think 150 gal ore so to have any impact

I have buckets and will run to get the prime, let it mix for an houre with salt and put it in

Brad thanks, I have lots of buckets

I have to get some salt to,

it will be a long night but ok

I will move away from the laptop and get moving

fingers XX

[Skimmerking]

Good luck man , that reminds me I have to ditch the 15 gal tub and get a 100 gal tub for a just in case WAter change.

[whatcaneyedo]

I once accidently boosted my alkalinity up to 22 dkh for a couple of days. All of the flesh fell off of one of my acropora but the rest survived. Good luck with your water change.

[xblade]

Quickly look up how to lower alk, I recall vinegar might do it. Check the Reefcentral chemistry forum, and take whatever drastic action neccesary


I've used vinager in my freshy tanks before,and it worked great.
I would think you could use it in saltwater as well.

Good luck

[KevinK]

I once accidently boosted my alkalinity up to 22 dkh for a couple of days. All of the flesh fell off of one of my acropora but the rest survived. Good luck with your water change.

the first 45 are going in as we speak, there are 3x 45 gal mixing at the time, so I'm lowering my water in the tank to about what i think would be 160 to 180 gal and than fil it while all pumps are running.

total water volume inclouding new frag tank and sump would be 500 gal - rock and sand, so about 400 / 430 gal water vol

when I have the first big change dun, i'm hoping to get down to about a KH of 20 and then bumb the calcium up a bit to 460 and then let nature do the rest

I drop about 8 to 9 ppm on the calcium a day, and if I recal right about 1.6 KH a day, so then we should be back in check after a week

gust hoping everything is doing ok

I stil have the frags (about 130) in smal bins, and wil put them floating in the new frag tank for tonight, and tomorrow while dripping the bins, introduce them to the new water parameters (I dont want to loos them)

[KevinK]

ahhh, all the water is in and everything is running, I still cant se a thing, so lets hope overnight everything stabelises a bit, and I hope to mesure something close to the 20KH



onlything I see is lots of white that fel down on everything like snow.



I will keep you all informed tomorrow, I'm dun

[amy]

Sincerely hoping you wake up to a lively healthy tank this morning!
My stomach is flopping just thinking about the whole ordeal :(

[lastlight]

Man my stress level would be through the roof I hope this works for you. Lucky AND unlucky you having that kind of volume to play with...

[KevinK]

little update:

tank is locking like a snow stom hit it.

coralsproduced lots of slime, but so far, untill the lights go on I dont know how thy do.

I still se some polyp extention on my SPS so hope this is a good sighn.

mesured my KH yesterday about 3 ore 4 times, and each time it was around a KH of 30 to 33

today, after the 180 gal water change (tap water and prime) my KH droped back to a KH of 11.8 to 12

the calcium is slightly over normal at 550, but also this will settle.

overall the tank had its shock of KH for about 4.5 to 5 hour

I will check my magnesium as well later today, as I asume this one droped a fair bit, as instant ocean is low in mag and it had 180 gal

I will also put some pictures up later today, when I have everything cleaned up and the lights are running

[e46er]

hopefully everything makes it!

[DCDN]

I hope everything is pretty much ok. That really sucks

[Lampshade]

Here's alink to calc saturation: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/mar2002/chem.htm

and:http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-07/rhf/index.php#9
The following important points should help in dealing with a limewater overdose:

1. Don't panic! These overdoses do not usually cause a tank to crash.

2. The primary concern is pH. If the pH is 8.6 or lower, you need not do anything. If the pH is above 8.6, then reducing the pH is the priority. Direct addition of vinegar or soda water is a good way to accomplish this goal. Either one mL of distilled white vinegar, or six mL of soda water, per gallon of tank water will give an initial pH drop of about 0.3 pH units. Add either to a high flow area that is away from organisms (e.g., a sump).

3. Do not bother to measure calcium or alkalinity while the tank is cloudy. The solid calcium carbonate particles will dissolve in an alkalinity test, and all of the carbonate in them will be counted as if it were in solution and part of "alkalinity." The same may happen to some extent with calcium tests. Wait until the water clears, and at that point, alkalinity is more likely to be low than high. Calcium will likely be mostly unchanged.

4. The particles themselves will typically settle out and disappear from view over a period of 1-4 days. They do not appear to cause long term detrimental effects to tank organisms.

5. Water changes are not necessarily beneficial or needed in response to a limewater overdose.

[KevinK]

ok so everything is locking ok sofar, exept the lime that had fel down on everything.

some coral have some slime haning around, and the sps seem to be ok as well.

I only found that my acro crab did not make it, the starfish are all fine as welll as the clamb seems fine.

the frags where dripped to introduce the new water, and are so far so good

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[Borderjumper]

Wow.. You may have gotten lucky Kevin. Your tank reminds me of back home when Mt. St. Helens blew.. Grey powder everywhere!

So talk to me about frags :mrgreen: I need a green and an orange monti cap.

[KevinK]

all the frags are ok, thy where dripped to introduce to the new water param.