Resealing tank

[Aquattro]

I'm resealing the 180 and planned on doing just the corners (switching from clear to black silicone) and then recalled I might have read silicone doesn't stick to silicone somewhere.
Do I need to do the whole tank, or can I just do the corners? The existing seal is fine, just doing corners for aesthetics...thx

[plutoniumJoe]

Once the silicone dries new stuff wont stick well. If you cut out the corners and the Glass on glass seem is still good you can just redo the corners. It wont be as strong as a total new seal but you will still have the seal from the glass to glass as well as the corner seal just not a significant seal between the two.

-- Your millage may vary.

[Aquattro]

Oh, no, just doing corners, but was trying to get away with vertical corners, not the bottom edge. I decided to do it all, too hard to change my mind when it has water in it :)

[hillegom]

You will have better piece of mind if you do the bottom as well as the verticals at the same time. You are right, silicone does not stick to cured silicone very well.

[plutoniumJoe]

Yes you definitely should do the bottom as well to create a continuous new seal. If you just do the vertical seams you wont have good bonding at four points where the verticals join the horizontal and these points are where there is considerable pressure.

[sphelps]

Silicone will stick to cured silicone provided it's clean. This is strange myth which makes little sense. When building larger tanks with thicker glass it's actually best to do the seams in two steps to ensure it silicone cures throughout the seam.

The confusion must relate to the old silicone being contaminated or covered in algae and of course the silicone itself can be difficult to clean. So on the safe side it might be best not to rely on such a bond but realistically if you clean it, it'll be fine. You can use alcohol to clean the old silicone in the area where the new will overlap.

If you don't agree or just unsure, try an experiment. Simply make a "goop" of silicone and let it cure, next apply some more to make another "goop" that attaches to it. Let that cure and see how strong the bond is.

If it's really true that silicone won't stick to silicone (even sounds ridiculous) then you should never reseal a tank in the first place. This is because you can't remove all the silicone in a reliable way from the glass unless you use an actual chemical to remove it which you don't want to use unless you completely dismantle the tank.

[sphelps]

Sorry but I was just talking a contractor here about this and he says that silicone will not reliably stick to old silicone in typical applications such as bath tubs and showers. As a result you must always remove the old stuff first. This however does not mean actual silicone will not stick to silicone if it's clean. The problem again comes down to reliably cleaning it which isn't always possible and therefor any manufacturer of silicone advises that silicone won't stick to silicone which means the old must be removed, this is also often easier than cleaning the old stuff and you get a nicer looking seal.

So that's where the myth comes from, not so much a myth I guess but more like a better safe than sorry kind of thing.

Sorry for any confusion from these posts but I do still believe you can safely get away with only sealing the verticals.

[Aquattro]

I figured I could, but was just being lazy and ended up stripping it all out. If I ever go BB on this tank, having 2 different colors of silicone might look odd.

[Cliff]

I would suggest better safe than sorry. If it was me, I would replace all of the outer seals in the tank.

I have always done that in any used tank that I've bought if there was one or two spots that looked like they "could" leak in the near future.

You'll only be out a hour or two of your time and some additional silicone.

Just a suggetion

[Aquattro]

I would suggest better safe than sorry. If it was me, I would replace all of the outer seals in the tank.

I have always done that in any used tank that I've bought if there was one or two spots that looked like they "could" leak in the near future.

You'll only be out a hour or two of your time and some additional silicone.

Just a suggetion

Agreed, but in this case the existing seal is 100%, just the wrong color :) But I am doing the whole thing, just to do it right...

[mark]

I can't see any problem resealing a tank if the old bead is removed (nor why it would be weaker). When you remove the old joint you're just removing the filleting (unless disassembling), the actual thin bond is still there between the two pieces of glass. As for sticking, even if it didn't to the old silicone, it's only the ~1/16" seam, bead is still going to extend over either side and adhere to the glass.

[Skimmerking]

I figured I could, but was just being lazy and ended up stripping it all out

what you lazy WHO said that you are not. :lol:


Im with Sphelps on the Silicone I did it and cleaned it with Alcohol and it was good to go .

[lastlight]

I think the filleted bit just protects critters, blades and stuff from hitting/nicking the actual bond seam. The entire inside of my tank was redone and it sure seems strong to me. It's extra work but if I was going to the trouble of redoing the verticals I'd just redo it all. Nice new and clean seams.

[Aquattro]

I just finished, did the whole thing. And I'm high on fumes......

[dunl]

Feels good, eh? I did an 82 once....was a great feeling to be finished. :)

[Aquattro]

Feels good, eh? I did an 82 once....was a great feeling to be finished. :)

Yup! Now just let it set, get my rubber base on the stand and tomorrow the tank gets put on the stand. Then start making the canopy. I'm going to Cuba next Sunday and I want water in this before I go :)

[hillegom]

what part of cuba?

[lastlight]

Ok so first you paint fume yourself into oblivion. Now you're high on silicone fumes and you want to have a new and untested system running with water while you go on vacation? You sir are fearless!

*props*

[Aquattro]

You sir are fearless!

*props*

lol, most people think of me as reckless rather than fearless :)

My GF will be home, so the tank isn't unattended. Now that I say that out loud, I might be better waiting until I get back :P

[Aquattro]

what part of cuba?

Varadero. Just taking a week off by myself for some slumming by the pool :)

[Aquaria]

sry for hyjacking your thread but if i reseal a tank should i redo the seam around my overflow or will cutting it off (silicone)at the overflow be safe for the bottom back seal or do i need to remove the overflow before resealing?

[Aquattro]

I would remove the overflow box, reseal and then re-install the box.

[Aquaria]

Hey thank you very much, I was hoping it would be a little easeir but eh better safe then sorry again thank you and sry for thead hyjackng lol :D