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cherrycorals
09-20-2010, 11:41 PM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/socalledbgmbig.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/gobstoppur.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/mymiamia.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/keepsgettingbetter.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/pinkngoldsbig.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/mauisunset3.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/5horizons2big.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/newzoa100884333.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/kandyapples.jpg

noirsphynx
09-21-2010, 12:15 AM
:jaw: why can't those paly's be here in Canada :Cry:

kevNnic
09-21-2010, 12:24 AM
EXTREME!! sooooo awesome!:microwav:

Rbacchiega
09-21-2010, 01:29 AM
where abouts are you in the US Cherry? You ship to Jersey?

Zoaelite
09-21-2010, 01:34 AM
I have been looking for those bottom two for a good year plus now, If only it was easier to ship via the states :cry:.

PoonTang
09-21-2010, 02:34 AM
Is it just me or do the backgrounds seem a little to brilliant? perhaps someone has photoshop'd the colours a bit too much?

cherrycorals
09-21-2010, 03:05 AM
Errrrrr, the backgrounds are brown algea. Coraline is purple, white looks......well, WHITE!

You have no clue what you are talking about.

cherrycorals
09-21-2010, 03:07 AM
But for reference I am running all ATI blue plus and I take a wicked photo.

Thats what the thread is about BTW, wicked photo's. Clearly I am not selling anything, I am after all in the U.S.A. and I don't send goodies to Canada.

Thank you for your input!

cherrycorals
09-21-2010, 03:08 AM
Oh, to sum up, its just you.

cherrycorals
09-21-2010, 03:10 AM
More corals that are seemingly to brilliant!
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/pinklemonadepalyfull.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/anthothermagicianfull.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/drthmaulishfull.jpg
Sorry about the purple coraline in that last one, I tried to make it look photoshopped but I just couldn't.

cherrycorals
09-21-2010, 03:13 AM
A different Magicians frag
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/takedownbryan.jpg
Red Hornets
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/redhrnet.jpg
Skyhigh's
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/Skyhighs-1.jpg
Nice Wellso(there is pink foam under this tank, so don't think I photoshopped the bottom of the tank)
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/swellso3.jpg

cherrycorals
09-21-2010, 03:18 AM
This is called Pink Boobies, no clue who named it or why.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/pboobysfrag1.jpg
Mary Janes
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/maryjane.jpg
The one on the right is called Space Monsters(again, no clue why)
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/spacemonsters.jpg
Mind Bender challice
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/mindbender.jpg

OceanAquatics
09-21-2010, 03:30 AM
Errrrrr, the backgrounds are brown algea. Coraline is purple, white looks......well, WHITE!

You have no clue what you are talking about.

So your saying no photoshop ?

I'm pretty much a newbie so I might not know what I'm talking about either.

LMK


Wendell

Devonious
09-21-2010, 04:12 AM
It really does not matter if he photo shops his photos if hes not selling them, anyways NICE coral!

fkshiu
09-21-2010, 04:18 AM
It really does not matter if he photo shops his photos if hes not selling them, anyways NICE coral!

Yes it does. It's what marketers call "creating buzz".

NanoHuman
09-21-2010, 04:20 AM
I think the acid is wearing off, these "candy apples" don't look the same!

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4218/cherrylol.jpg

Quickly, someone shoot lightning bolts at it! <lightning bolt sound>

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/kandyapples.jpg

Phew, close one. Almost saved my self a couple hundred bucks.

Good thing I have a clue about what I'm talking about. I'm talking lightning and cherries people. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

fkshiu
09-21-2010, 04:26 AM
I think the acid is wearing off, these "candy apples" don't look the same!

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4218/cherrylol.jpg

Quickly, someone shoot lightning bolts at it! <lightning bolt sound>

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/kandyapples.jpg

Phew, close one. Almost saved my self a couple hundred bucks.

Good thing I have a clue about what I'm talking about. I'm talking lightning and cherries people. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I love what you can do with some actinic lighting and careful use of the "colour saturation" slider in photoshop.

OceanAquatics
09-21-2010, 04:44 AM
It really does not matter if he photo shops his photos if hes not selling them, anyways NICE coral!

I have no problem with doing anything you want with photo's, but dont call someone out "You have no clue what you are talking about."

But then again, Im just a newbie !


Wendell

jzz30tt
09-21-2010, 05:45 AM
Did you remember to strip your EXIF?

How do you make your white balance, when shot manual like that, change in every shot? I'm new at this I would like some tips...

So no photoshop massaging wasn't it?

LMK2

Zoaelite
09-21-2010, 06:09 AM
I love what you can do with some actinic lighting and careful use of the "colour saturation" slider in photoshop.

The first photo is Lariat zoas the second is Candy Apple Red Paly's, two very different looking species. Cherry Corals like many online retails is great at creating names and providing amazing photos, this creates hype which increases the price. It's a brilliant marketing strategy, just targets to a different market.

Fortunately (:neutral:) we don't get to participate in this US market so it's a very different story. He only came on here to share some nice photos, no need to attack the guy regardless of his truthfulness in regards to the photo doctoring.

And If you have never seen the Candy Apples in person I wouldn't talk, the coloration is VERY similar to what is shown here. They are one stunning zoa, I would pay a mint to find them local.
Levi

Gooly001
09-21-2010, 06:17 AM
Nice Corals Todd, really wish we had them up here to sell.

I have had the pleasure of meeting Todd and seeing first hand his corals at a trade show down in the states and I can say that the photos pretty much reflect what they look like in real life under his lighting conditions.

Whether he uses PS or not is irrelevant in my opinion as he is here posting for us to enjoy. Shooting photos in a closed system under various degrees of lighting is very difficult and I'm sure Todd is not here to mislead anyone. I've seen other photos (RR) that the whites (ie egg crate) look purple as well as their fingers looking purple but Todd's white balance looks good IMO.

He could be shooting his images in RAW and adjusting for white balance post edit, but again; I've seen his corals in person and they are very impressive.

Todd has a great reputation for his corals in the States, and he wouldn't be known for it if he was "over marketing" his corals by using PS.

Nice pics Todd, keep em coming.

Cheers

Paul

cherrycorals
09-21-2010, 11:22 AM
Creating buzz for what? I was just sharing some really good photo's.

I visit all the Canadian forums often, I see alot of "blue" thumbs in vendor photo's so its easy to spot a poorly taken photo. I see alot of really really bad photo's to.

As important as a crisp photo is post processing. You have to correct the photo, you have to! I make corrections to make a coral look like it looks. I don't give a crap about an exif file, I am well aware that anyone anywhere can analyze my photo's and see what I have done.

I didn't say that I don't photoshop, I was offended by the over enhanced comment. That is the part he/she has no clue about. If you run the lights I run, this is what a coral will look like. I could have taken a pic under LED's then you guys would all have been ****ed!

So here is what I have done in photoshop:

I correct my color temp to 20k(in photoshop this strips out blue)
I adjust exposure just in case I was off.
I adjust contrast to......add contrast.
I sharpen
Some photo's get a touch of vibrance
Very seldom do I add saturation


Oh, and NanoHuman, I hate to tell you but those aren't Candy Apple Reds. They are cool but just a deepwater zoa from China. They are called fruit loops. People still take acid?, that is soooo like 50 years ago.

So for reference here is an uncorrected photo. I don't see this with my eye but this is what the camera takes. My main concern is focus and exposure.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/uncorrected.jpg
Is this the photo I should post?

cherrycorals
09-21-2010, 11:25 AM
Good point Paul! Sometimes I forget that I do 12 trade shows a year.

Lets see......

MACNA(1500 people)
MAX (2000 people)
RAP (2000 people)

Just to name a few.

I am quite confident that all of the people who attend these shows and buy my coral are NOT on acid.

Since I am telling all my marketing secrets I will even tell that I use LED's at shows. They are AI's and fully tunable so I can tailer the light source to what my customer is accustomed to. I can go from pure actinic to 10k and all points in between. This helps my customer make an informed decision.

bigblack
09-21-2010, 12:02 PM
Let me just say that I have 2 brains from cherry corals don't ask how I got em, but they are the craziest pieces in my tank, I have not seen anything like them in any of our lfs , so all the people ahem retailer cough ! Cough! Making comments are prob just jealous they don't get the cherry picks from vendors here in Canada no pun intended. Please continue posting pics of ur killer corals there are many here in Canada that appreciate it even if we can't get them.

Atomikk
09-21-2010, 03:26 PM
The first photo is Lariat zoas the second is Candy Apple Red Paly's, two very different looking species. Cherry Corals like many online retails is great at creating names and providing amazing photos, this creates hype which increases the price. It's a brilliant marketing strategy, just targets to a different market.

Fortunately (:neutral:) we don't get to participate in this US market so it's a very different story. He only came on here to share some nice photos, no need to attack the guy regardless of his truthfulness in regards to the photo doctoring.

And If you have never seen the Candy Apples in person I wouldn't talk, the coloration is VERY similar to what is shown here. They are one stunning zoa, I would pay a mint to find them local.
Levi

Palys Levi. Palys. :) We are working on getting you guys all of those types of Zoas. But so you all know, Cherry Corals represents their corals as accurately as any online vendor can. Trust me, I have seen some that are so blatant, their substrate is green!!!

Chaloupa
09-21-2010, 03:27 PM
Gotta say, I'd be a buyer if I was in the states, or if it was easier to get them here! Nice corals, and great pics

Rbacchiega
09-21-2010, 03:37 PM
Gotta say, I'd be a buyer if I was in the states, or if it was easier to get them here! Nice corals, and great pics

I'm setting up a nano for our tattoo shop in Jersey...sometimes I keep forgeting I"m IN the states...oh hello awesome Acans...Oh hello awesome Zoas/Palys.... :twised::twised::twised::twised:

don.ald
09-21-2010, 04:25 PM
Gotta say, I'd be a buyer if I was in the states, or if it was easier to get them here! Nice corals, and great pics

++ me too

RCFA
09-21-2010, 05:34 PM
Since this is a Photography Forum, I thought I would chime in as an amateur underwater photographer and the whole PS issue.

I personally see no problem using PS to post process digital stills as this is an integral part of photography. What was once done in a darkroom we now do with software, but the principals remain the same.

I shoot all my images in raw and post process any that I print. While I am underwater, I shoot in Manual mode, but I still can't make every adjustment to WB, exposure, ISO and Strobe power exact for each shot. These cameras are optimized for shooting at surface lighting conditions, and the depth of water greatly affects the ambient lighting. I do not remain at the exact same depth during a dive, so I am not able to make every single correction underwater to represent the actual conditions encountered.

Similar issues have to be dealt with when shooting under reef lighting as we are trying to recreate the lighting conditions underwater that corals are used to. It may be easier to make the adjustments on the camera when it is not in a bulky housing, but whether you change the WB, exposure, saturation, etc. on your camera or with software, exactly the same thing is happening.

Now when sand is green (not from algae :wink:) or egg crate is neon or something, then that is another story.

But to criticize a photographer for post processing their images to some degree is not fair, and you should realize that this is not something new since the advent of digital cameras and PS. Many underwater photographers rely on post processing to accurately represent the conditions underwater. Depending on the photo, I may change WB, exposure, contrast, crop, saturation or vibrance slightly. You can tell when a photo is over processed and it doesn't look good. You can also tell when a photo is under processed, and that isn't accurately portraying the scene. Not going to get into vendor ethics photos, but photography is an art and unless someone is purposely misleading people for personal gain, then just enjoy the great shots!

Just my opinions as a diver who likes to take pictures. :biggrin:

jorjef
09-21-2010, 05:52 PM
Hold on a second, am I to believe the photos in question may not be of actual size!!! THIS IS outrageous, egregious, preposterous..... What next, I suppose Festivus is not a real holiday!!!

Jackie Chiles

noirsphynx
09-21-2010, 07:56 PM
the coloration is VERY similar to what is shown here. They are one stunning zoa, I would pay a mint to find them local.
Levi

Agreed, these are mine when they're happy and there is NO photo editing here except cropping.
http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt191/noirsphynx/Zoa%20Paly%20Collection/DSC_0100_3.jpg

fkshiu
09-21-2010, 08:39 PM
And If you have never seen the Candy Apples in person I wouldn't talk, the coloration is VERY similar to what is shown here. Levi

Levi, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and will assume you didn't mean your comment to be as insulting as it appears.

In any event, I don't believe there's anything inherently wrong with colour correction and white balancing. It's used all the time in professional photography. There is, however, a fuzzy line where "correction" becomes "enhancement". Whether there's a issue with "enhancement" is a matter of degree. Cherry Corals is entitled to make their stock look as attractive as possible. But (photo-editing technicalities aside) at some point things may give the appearance being too good to be true. And to dumb schmucks like me who according to you, shouldn't be talking, several of the presented photos seem to have reached such a point.

If the photos are not enhanced, then fantastic. And good on Cherry Corals for showing an untouched original photo. But the concern is for potential consumers of their product (i.e. people who don't know what they are talking about like me) who may be dissapointed with the real thing after they've paid for them. There have been a lot of instances involving other vendors where great looking corals turn out to be not as great in person.

Even if Cherry Corals did not mean for these pictures to create marketing buzz, it sure hasn't hurt them judging by "ooh", "ahh" and "I wish I were in the US" comments on this thread. It's simply free publicity and good marketing on their part.

cherrycorals
09-21-2010, 08:57 PM
I don't know how many different ways I need to say it, if you run lights like mine you will see what I see. Dissapointment will surely arise if you are running 10k. I am always happy to share with my clients my techniques and lighting scheme so they can enjoy what I enjoy.

That being said, I suppose now is the time for you guys to google CC and tell me of all the horror stories. There are none, so in effect I have been pulling the wool over successfully for 4 years now. Coincidence, I don't think so.

A little background for most of the photos posted, on another forum a friend and I are having a "photo fight". Just friendly competition really but we both have churned out some sick photos that I have shared here. Google Todd vs. Skyhigh photo fight and you will find it. Its all in good fun.

I take my biz seriously. I take killer photo's, I cut around every polyp when fragging. I never bisect a polyp if at all possible and keep my frags looking natural. Its sort of art to me, I understand that alot of shops don't have time for "art" but I do.

The only buzz is among you all and not among my potential clients so I am not sure why you guys keep bringing it up. Makes no sense.

cherrycorals
09-21-2010, 08:59 PM
Just for some more fun and to keep the "buzz" going.

Here is the picture I posted earlier, totally accurate and what it looks like in real life(no acid or other drugs involved)
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/gobstoppur.jpg

This one is enhanced and I suppose if you were on acid this is what you would see. I have never taken acid so I am only guessing :biggrin:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/gobstoppur-1.jpg

cherrycorals
09-21-2010, 09:06 PM
I think the acid is wearing off, these "candy apples" don't look the same!

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4218/cherrylol.jpg

Quickly, someone shoot lightning bolts at it! <lightning bolt sound>

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/kandyapples.jpg

Phew, close one. Almost saved my self a couple hundred bucks.

Good thing I have a clue about what I'm talking about. I'm talking lightning and cherries people. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/deepwater0011.jpg

Same piece, we sell these for $40 bucks, you didn't save that much and you didn't get Candy Apples.

Well played!

saltcreep
09-21-2010, 10:07 PM
IMHO, I feel that all vendors should specify the conditions the corals are kept in (lighting) and what post editing is done on the pictures, if any. That way there is no guessing. You see it from time to time that customers are unhappy since they perceive that they are not getting the coral as advertised.

BlueTang<3
09-21-2010, 11:07 PM
I really enjoyed these pictures over dolled up or not. I frequently drool over the pink boobies on your site :shocked!:: and all the other great peices you have. For what my opinion is worth lets see some more pictures.

Zoaelite
09-21-2010, 11:38 PM
Well thank you for the benefit of the doubt, It was in no way meant as an insult just trying to prove a point. Out of curiosity have you had the privilege of seeing this species in person?

Todd is representing them in a very truthful manor, they are a stunning strain of zoa in person and sometimes photos don't do them justice. Cameras are not designed to accurately take photos through water, this is where an editing program comes in to properly depict the coral. That being said I do 100% agree with you on the fuzzy line comment, In this situation I know the line has not been crossed.

Levi, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and will assume you didn't mean your comment to be as insulting as it appears.

In any event, I don't believe there's anything inherently wrong with colour correction and white balancing. It's used all the time in professional photography. There is, however, a fuzzy line where "correction" becomes "enhancement". Whether there's a issue with "enhancement" is a matter of degree. Cherry Corals is entitled to make their stock look as attractive as possible. But (photo-editing technicalities aside) at some point things may give the appearance being too good to be true. And to dumb schmucks like me who according to you, shouldn't be talking, several of the presented photos seem to have reached such a point.

If the photos are not enhanced, then fantastic. And good on Cherry Corals for showing an untouched original photo. But the concern is for potential consumers of their product (i.e. people who don't know what they are talking about like me) who may be dissapointed with the real thing after they've paid for them. There have been a lot of instances involving other vendors where great looking corals turn out to be not as great in person.

Even if Cherry Corals did not mean for these pictures to create marketing buzz, it sure hasn't hurt them judging by "ooh", "ahh" and "I wish I were in the US" comments on this thread. It's simply free publicity and good marketing on their part.

Zoaelite
09-21-2010, 11:40 PM
And Todd out of curiosity what price do you sell the candy apples for?

jzz30tt
09-21-2010, 11:43 PM
I'll be the first of the 'dissidents' to agree that the corals are amazing pieces, that is not in arguable territory, the pictures are also very well taken and there is no complaint with that however...

The calling out of a member here for a legitimate if not politically delivered comment in the fashion that occurred is the issue that some of us have made comments in protest to. It was uncalled for and inappropriate especially in view of the fact that he was right...:lol:

However thankfully none of our lives will really change for the better or worse following this little distraction...

Marlin65
09-22-2010, 06:11 AM
I did not read all the posts but my first take was that they were over done.
I think that people that have been around for a bit and know corals and understand what the color is supposed too be when you get it home will be upset.
(After all thats what we are all after.The color in OUR TANK)
Lots of people that don't know better will buy them at inflated prices as they look so nice. I know I bought a few like that but now I know better.
So will the people that buy you fancy photo shopped stuff now after they get it home. Just my 2 cents. Is that good for sales down the road???

GreenSpottedPuffer
09-22-2010, 07:14 AM
I did not read all the posts but my first take was that they were over done.
I think that people that have been around for a bit and know corals and understand what the color is supposed too be when you get it home will be upset.
(After all thats what we are all after.The color in OUR TANK)
Lots of people that don't know better will buy them at inflated prices as they look so nice. I know I bought a few like that but now I know better.
So will the people that buy you fancy photo shopped stuff now after they get it home. Just my 2 cents. Is that good for sales down the road???

You really should have gone back and read it before you posted.

GreenSpottedPuffer
09-22-2010, 07:18 AM
If the photos are not enhanced, then fantastic. And good on Cherry Corals for showing an untouched original photo. But the concern is for potential consumers of their product (i.e. people who don't know what they are talking about like me) who may be dissapointed with the real thing after they've paid for them. There have been a lot of instances involving other vendors where great looking corals turn out to be not as great in person.

Even if Cherry Corals did not mean for these pictures to create marketing buzz, it sure hasn't hurt them judging by "ooh", "ahh" and "I wish I were in the US" comments on this thread. It's simply free publicity and good marketing on their part.

Why does it matter so much to you what has been done to the photos? He has already stated he only corrects them. This makes them much more accurate than if he were to post an untouched photo that you would approve of. He has also been backed up by two people who have nothing to gain by backing him and said his corals are gorgeous and these photos are accurate. Actually three people, one of which is a vendor.

Publicity for what? He doesn't/can't sell here. Why is he being treated any different from anyone else that wanted to post pictures from their tank?

Beautiful stuff by the way Cherry!!!

rstar
09-22-2010, 01:23 PM
Why does it matter so much to you what has been done to the photos? He has already stated he only corrects them. This makes them much more accurate than if he were to post an untouched photo that you would approve of. He has also been backed up by two people who have nothing to gain by backing him and said his corals are gorgeous and these photos are accurate. Actually three people, one of which is a vendor.

Publicity for what? He doesn't/can't sell here. Why is he being treated any different from anyone else that wanted to post pictures from their tank?

Beautiful stuff by the way Cherry!!!

Not to derail this thread, but i seriously missed your "devils advocate" sentimentality, welcome back to the forums GSP! You've always been the one to step up and challenge others opinions using cold hard logi!! :biggrin:

cherrycorals
09-22-2010, 02:07 PM
I love cold hard logi!!

Unjacked
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/kandyapples.jpg
Jacked!
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c45/Stoneyscoral/anotherapple.jpg

GreenSpottedPuffer
09-22-2010, 04:01 PM
Not to derail this thread, but i seriously missed your "devils advocate" sentimentality, welcome back to the forums GSP! You've always been the one to step up and challenge others opinions using cold hard logi!! :biggrin:

Well this one just bothered me! Someone is posting pictures and gets attacked. Even if he were creating buzz who cares? Can people not resist and make their own choice? Ask the seller their own questions?

If not, your going to have a tough time in this world because marketing is all about creating a buzz and promoting your product as the best it possibly can be and sometimes more. Should we start to attack Apple for their brilliant marketing too?

Im not insinuating that Cherry is trying to promote his product to market that cannot buy it but Im saying even if he was, who cares?

lastlight
09-22-2010, 05:01 PM
Straight from camera is quite often the least realistic looking photo around. Maybe if people adjusted white balance etc beforehand but clearly his shots are closer to real life after adjustment.

Also...Everyone's monitor is calibrated differently. What looks drab on one may look over-saturated on another. Think some are missing the point. He's not a vendor and some vendors post pics taken under 20k without much photoshopping. To me that's a bigger misrepresentation.

But either way who cares. Like monitors everyone's lighting is different and these would look different under everyone's light regardless of how they were presented.

jorjef
09-22-2010, 05:24 PM
No underlieing intention just a honest newbie question that is somewhat related and I always wondered...I realize most corals are harvested from the ocean but I have seen tons as everyone else has these awesome colored brains, donuts, zoas etc. corals. Is this how they look in the ocean? I realized there are aqua cultured out there but never knew if that meant man made colored or just 2nd 3rd generation etc. Now that you have wiped away the tears of laughter I look forward to the answer... :redface:

lastlight
09-22-2010, 05:31 PM
Yeah good point lol. The ocean has far fewer LEDs and 20k halides than our tanks. I don't think they'd look the same. Not that many try and simulate the sun's color temp when setting up a reef. I guess it started with trying to mimic the coloration at a deeper depth and then we tried drawing every colour out.

jorjef
09-22-2010, 05:37 PM
Not neccesarilly the ones in this post but the brains and scolys in the market today are so psychedelic it's hard to believe they're natural and not man made color. Either way I would much rather have the psychedlic myself...

Lance
09-22-2010, 05:42 PM
Yeah good point lol. The ocean has far fewer LEDs and 20k halides than our tanks. I don't think they'd look the same. Not that many try and simulate the sun's color temp when setting up a reef. I guess it started with trying to mimic the coloration at a deeper depth and then we tried drawing every colour out.


Yup, gotta agree with you there Brett. If you turn the actinics off and had only 5000K lighting you would be closer to what the ocean's corals look like: much more drab looking. Some deeper water corals floresce quite well though under the bluer light.

fkshiu
09-22-2010, 06:49 PM
Why does it matter so much to you what has been done to the photos? He has already stated he only corrects them. This makes them much more accurate than if he were to post an untouched photo that you would approve of. He has also been backed up by two people who have nothing to gain by backing him and said his corals are gorgeous and these photos are accurate. Actually three people, one of which is a vendor.

Publicity for what? He doesn't/can't sell here. Why is he being treated any different from anyone else that wanted to post pictures from their tank?

Beautiful stuff by the way Cherry!!!

Alright Justin. Let's turn your argument on its head: since CC doesn't/can't sell here, what's the harm in questioning the amount of re-touching in the photos? We certainly aren't affecting his business. And the last time I checked, commentary - whether positive or negative - was allowed on this board.

And you wouldn't have had others backing him up and verifying the veracity of the photos were it not for the initial doubtful postings. Without those doubters, many Canreef members may be left with the impression of "Gee, those corals look too good to be true" and would not have had the benefit of the verifying posts. In fact, I submit, that CC has in fact acutally benefitted from the doubting posts as this thread has evolved.

jorjef
09-22-2010, 07:08 PM
Lets end this with a cage match to the death.... GSP vs. fkshiu or you guys could agree to disagree and this thread could die....finally. This being said with all due respect of coarse.. or is that course. this seems to be a bit coarse of course.

PoonTang
09-22-2010, 07:09 PM
Alright Justin. Let's turn your argument on its head: since CC doesn't/can't sell here, what's the harm in questioning the amount of re-touching in the photos? We certainly aren't affecting his business. And the last time I checked, commentary - whether positive or negative - was allowed on this board.

And you wouldn't have had others backing him up and verifying the veracity of the photos were it not for the initial doubtful postings. Without those doubters, many Canreef members may be left with the impression of "Gee, those corals look too good to be true" and would not have had the benefit of the verifying posts.

Yes basically too good to be true is kind of what my origional post was all about. I never called into question the quality of the frags, nor the beauty, nor the photographers skills. What I did call into question was the colours in the backgrounds. Yellowish algae? Electric Blue Spots on the frag discs? I just made me think Hmmmm about the whole picture. I may not know what I am talking about apparently but I have seen quite a few photographs here posted by a lot of photographers of various skills but I had never seen backgrounds that looked like that. It just kind of made the whole thing look fakeish to me. I am sorry if the OP cant take a little bit of criticism but I did not deserve to be attacked as such for posting my personal thoughts. If you want immunity from anything negative being posted about your stuff in the future then you'll have to pay for sponsorship status here.

jorjef
09-22-2010, 07:14 PM
This could end up a Battle Royale

GreenSpottedPuffer
09-22-2010, 07:24 PM
Alright Justin. Let's turn your argument on its head: since CC doesn't/can't sell here, what's the harm in questioning the amount of re-touching in the photos? We certainly aren't affecting his business. And the last time I checked, commentary - whether positive or negative - was allowed on this board.

And you wouldn't have had others backing him up and verifying the veracity of the photos were it not for the initial doubtful postings. Without those doubters, many Canreef members may be left with the impression of "Gee, those corals look too good to be true" and would not have had the benefit of the verifying posts. In fact, I submit, that CC has in fact acutally benefitted from the doubting posts as this thread has evolved.

I'd be the first to question him about what he has done to the photos but in a polite way. People just started to assume he enhanced them before asking and then after he answered people then continued to assume he has enhanced them. He isn't selling here and even if he was, just don't buy them if you don't think its a "real" photo.

He only got this response because he is a vendor (in another country) and its wrong. He can't sell here. So what...he got a big buzz over something that isn't going to make him any money amongst the buzzing people. And trust me, whatever buzz is happening in Canada isn't going to help him in the US. For one, half the states barely know Canada exists and the rest don't give a...

Im not too sure what benefit he has gained in a market he cannot make money off of legally. Please explain.

lastlight
09-22-2010, 07:31 PM
Ok seriously I *demand* to see some CITES documents and ASAP.

:pop2:

PoonTang
09-22-2010, 07:33 PM
I'd be the first to question him about what he has done to the photos but in a polite way. People just started to assume he enhanced them before asking and then after he answered people then continued to assume he has enhanced them. He isn't selling here and even if he was, just don't buy them if you don't think its a "real" photo.

He only got this response because he is a vendor (in another country) and its wrong. He can't sell here. So what...he got a big buzz over something that isn't going to make him any money amongst the buzzing people. And trust me, whatever buzz is happening in Canada isn't going to help him in the US. For one, half the states barely know Canada exists and the rest don't give a...

Im not too sure what benefit he has gained in a market he cannot make money off of legally. Please explain.

I thought the pictures looked enhanced. So I asked if anyone else felt that way. Got myself a new @ss whole ripped for my efforts. But as a vendor you would think he would want to know what people really think of his photos wether good or bad.

jorjef
09-22-2010, 07:36 PM
LETS GET READY TO RUMMMMMMBLE !!!!!1

ScubaSteve
09-22-2010, 08:25 PM
Holy Bitchfest, Batman! Seriously, can't you all just hug and make up?

Some guy just posts some pictures of some snazzy looking corals and your all up in arms about it. Have you seen some of the pictures in the POTM threads? Here look at this one from Sphelps: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/sphelps/Corals/chalicemacro.jpg. Anyone getting all ****y over that one? Nope. Or check out ZoaElite's zoa pics... Freakin' cool stuff.

There are more diplomatic ways of questioning the authenticity of something (which you are totally within your rights to do). "Hey dude, those are some pretty sweet looking corals. What lights do you use to make them look like that or do you edit your photos after? I want mine to look like that". "Aw, thanks man! Ya, they totally look like that in the tank, you need some serious lighting to get that though. I only change the white balance after so they don't look washed out." Done. Finished. Everyone's friends. No need for 6 friggin' pages of people trash talking each other.

Aquarium nerds, there are bigger fish to fry than arguing over the internet about someones pictures! (See what I did there? That's punny stuff!:razz:)

By the way, my zoas glow like that it night, maybe even more... that's why I keep them. If you want to figure out why yours don't let's start another thread and talk about it over there.

Hey mods, how about... you know... doin' some moderatin'?

jorjef
09-22-2010, 08:32 PM
Holy Bitchfest, Batman! Seriously, can't you all just hug and make up?

Some guy just posts some pictures of some snazzy looking corals and your all up in arms about it. Have you seen some of the pictures in the POTM threads? Here look at this one from Sphelps: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/sphelps/Corals/chalicemacro.jpg. Anyone getting all ****y over that one? Nope. Or check out ZoaElite's zoa pics... Freakin' cool stuff.

There are more diplomatic ways of questioning the authenticity of something (which you are totally within your rights to do). "Hey dude, those are some pretty sweet looking corals. What lights do you use to make them look like that or do you edit your photos after? I want mine to look like that". "Aw, thanks man! Ya, they totally look like that in the tank, you need some serious lighting to get that though. I only change the white balance after so they don't look washed out." Done. Finished. Everyone's friends. No need for 6 friggin' pages of people trash talking each other.

Aquarium nerds, there are bigger fish to fry than arguing over the internet about someones pictures! (See what I did there? That's punny stuff!:razz:)

By the way, my zoas glow like that it night, maybe even more... that's why I keep them. If you want to figure out why yours don't let's start another thread and talk about it over there.

Hey mods, how about... you know... doin' some moderatin'?


What he said!!! lmao

lastlight
09-22-2010, 09:36 PM
Hey mods, how about... you know... doin' some moderatin'?

I'm thinking the mods won't see that as a prime example of your diplomacy lol.

ScubaSteve
09-22-2010, 09:43 PM
Ha ha ha! Touche!

Ok, no more posts from me... let's get this thread back on track. Cherry baby! Show us some more pics! (let's see some of the wicked goldeneye chalice!)

Rbacchiega
09-22-2010, 09:46 PM
ACANS!!!1

Ron99
09-22-2010, 10:34 PM
Just to add fuel to the fire...zoas are not covered by CITES so as long as they are on artificial plugs and not live rock then technically he could ship to Canada. Whether he is willing to undertake the hassle or not is a completely different story but it is legal :)

jorjef
09-22-2010, 10:37 PM
way ta go Ron... lol ....Here comes all the cross border expediting experts to challenge you..

christyf5
09-22-2010, 11:42 PM
moderated.