reef's = same requirements as pot ?

[Kryptic4L]

Why is it everytime I go searching for a diy reef project or some technical information on chemistry or even lighting etc.. I come across numerous cannibus growing website's... Seriously are the requirement's and perameter's identical...

I was just looking up diy reverse osmosis.... and guess what I stumble across...... more pot growing sites.....

[Bloodasp]

Lol they're both addictive. Yeah Everything I have been seeing from using RO/DI to metal halide lighting and all those diy stuff are used by pot growers.

[whatcaneyedo]

I get a kick out of Progressive Reef for that reason. There are two businesses in the same store front. Progressive Growth which sells hydroponics supplies and Progressive Reef which does saltwater. Its fantastic synergy.

[Chase31]

well i figured a timer out on one of those reffer or pot sites, so i was okay with it


we talking reefers? or reefers or reffer? lol

[Crytone]

Maybe we're onto something here! With all these timers and light setups we use on our tanks, we can easily grow a few small plants on the side to supplement buying new SW stuff!

[Bloodasp]

And if cops raid your place show them your reef tanks and tell them it's the reason your electric bills are over $1000 a month. Hopefully they are not reefers too.

[Funky_Fish14]

It actually really brings to light how many people grow marijuana or indulge it! its a crazy number!

[lockrookie]

yesterday i did a search for rabbit cages and in the middel of the picture list was some vibration device with rabbit ears,, this is why you put on parental controles on your kids pc's

[BlueAbyss]

Hmm. I'm surprised that no one picked up on this sooner (or commented). Maybe it takes someone who is an avid indoor gardener and 'reefer' to see the similarities.

I have a pretty extensive collection of indoor plants and have been researching the possibility of a light garden, and saw the similarities right away. The only difference between metal halide for plants (and for weed for that matter) and that for coral (or the higher K lighting, 10K, 14K, etc. sold for marine tanks) is the bulb. For effective flowering and fruiting, plants need a fair amount of the red spectrum that is lacking in higher K bulbs (part of the reason those bulbs generally rate lower in PAR), which is why AgroSun bulbs have become popular for indoor growers who grow flowering / fruiting plants... I'm off topic here. The fact is that much of the equipment is interchangeable, since you are growing photosynthetic (well, mostly in the case of corals) organisms.

For the record, I'm betting that I can build an LED rig that will grow flowering plants, as well as coral, equally well.

[kien]

It doesn't help that my house glows a brilliant blue. I have to keep my front window open so that people can clearly see that I'm growing corals and not something else :lol:

[bauder1986]

haha reminds me of the time i went to fishytimes house the first time ever and i was trying to look for the address on the building at night time and as soon as Terry and I were with in sight of his house we had to laugh because we didnt need to know his address but look for the insane glow of the lights haha

[Chase31]

yea the glow of my lights is strong enough that the lamp pole in front of my house glows blue... so does everything els on my lawn.. till ten anyways

[Funky_Fish14]

Hmm. I'm surprised that no one picked up on this sooner (or commented). Maybe it takes someone who is an avid indoor gardener and 'reefer' to see the similarities.

For effective flowering and fruiting, plants need a fair amount of the red spectrum that is lacking in higher K bulbs (part of the reason those bulbs generally rate lower in PAR).

Im pretty sure a lot of people noticed... just nobody commented on it?

Not that im trying to cut in to what your saying, but blue light (/wavelengths of light) actually has higher energy than green light, and much higher energy than red light. The larger the wavelength, the lower the energy (blue = 400-450nm while red = 600-690 ish). Recently we determined the rate of photosynthesis in spinach cells when exposed to different colours of light, it occured most effectively with exposure to blue light. The absorption of blue light by the photocells was about 50%, while with red light it was about 12% and green light like 5%. Though green light has a higher energy content than red light, I guess the plants do not absorb this as much? They appear green because they reflect back most of the green light.

So because of the benefit from the blue spectrum, I dont understand why higher K bulbs do not produce better plant growth? You mentioned the red seems correlated with flowering and fruiting? Is that the reason the lower K ratings are preffered?

Also just a note for anybody - The colour temperatures we use with our hobby are simply 'Correlated Colour Temperatures', meaning the temperature we interpret the light to be. If we were talking actual colour temperature, a blue light (around 420nm, like actinic) is actually around 7200 degrees kelvin. A crisp white would be around 42-4700 IIRC? And 'yellow' plant bulbs are in the 3000's. Correct me if im wrong.

Cheers,

Chris

[justinl]

as fas as I understand, it's not enough to just talk about red yellow blue etc light. When it comes to photosynthesis it's all about PAR (photosynthetically active radiation). Different processes involved in growth are triggered by specific wavelengths as well. For example in "sun plants" vertical growth is increased with greater far red to red light exposure. Absorption of the different wavelengths mediates phytochrome activity (which is associated with vertical growth, flowering, fruiting and a bunch of other things), but not photosynthesis.

On the topic of equipment, little of reefing equipment is novel. For example, plant growers were using halides and T5s long before we were.

[Diana]

It is far too tempting to try growing in my Paludarium. :mrgreen:

[justinl]

interesting thought, I wonder if growing pot in a dart frog tank would make for... upgraded pot. Diana, you could revolutionize BC's marijuana industry (or kill it off, I'm not sure what would happen)!

[christyf5]

I've had several friends stop by and mention I should use the tank or at least the overspill from the lights to grow something. I just laugh.

I love that you mention Progressive Reef, I've been there a number of times and am always fascinated at how complex it can be to grow tomatoes. They've got some really neat setups in there and I'm always trying to figure out how I can apply them to reefing (ahem, I mean saltwater fish tanks :wink:).

[dsaundry]

Just be thankful we dont get the munchies for reefing, well maybe some types of reefing:lol:

[Zoaelite]

as fas as I understand, it's not enough to just talk about red yellow blue etc light. When it comes to photosynthesis it's all about PAR (photosynthetically active radiation). Different processes involved in growth are triggered by specific wavelengths as well. For example in "sun plants" vertical growth is increased with greater far red to red light exposure. Absorption of the different wavelengths mediates phytochrome activity (which is associated with vertical growth, flowering, fruiting and a bunch of other things), but not photosynthesis.

On the topic of equipment, little of reefing equipment is novel. For example, plant growers were using halides and T5s long before we were.

Bingo! From an evolutionary stand point this makes perfect sense, you collect what is most readily available for energy and as water filters out longer wave lengths first it makes sense that dinoflagellatic photosynthesis relies on bluer pigments.

I laugh at myself every time I have fish people over because the first thing I do is hide the bong. Only to realize that 75% of you probably smoke more pot than I do :lol:.

[Kryptic4L]

Bingo! From an evolutionary stand point this makes perfect sense, you collect what is most readily available for energy and as water filters out longer wave lengths first it makes sense that dinoflagellatic photosynthesis relies on bluer pigments.

I laugh at myself every time I have fish people over because the first thing I do is hide the bong. Only to realize that 75% of you probably smoke more pot than I do :lol:.

Must be why your Zoa elite and not SPS elite, I was gonna dose the zeo then I got high.......

[jimbo222]

:lol:

[Funky_Fish14]

as fas as I understand, it's not enough to just talk about red yellow blue etc light. When it comes to photosynthesis it's all about PAR (photosynthetically active radiation). Different processes involved in growth are triggered by specific wavelengths as well. For example in "sun plants" vertical growth is increased with greater far red to red light exposure. Absorption of the different wavelengths mediates phytochrome activity (which is associated with vertical growth, flowering, fruiting and a bunch of other things), but not photosynthesis.

On the topic of equipment, little of reefing equipment is novel. For example, plant growers were using halides and T5s long before we were.

Photosynthetically available radiation. :razz:

Buuut anyways, yes, interesting note about the phytochrome mediation. That makes more sense.

[BlueAbyss]

There are a number of different pigments involved in photosynthesis that each are excited at different wavelengths, even green. The old notion that green light is of no use to plants is actually wrong, there just isn't as wide an absorption band at that point in the visible light spectrum. That's why plants grow best under a relatively 'full spectrum' lighting that contains a fair amount from the entire 'active' spectrum. I'll bet plants grow great under RGBW LEDs. But yeah, justin your absolutely right... plants require light from most of the spectrum to perform well.

We rarely hide the... uh, implements, around here. There are not many 'fish people' around the area anymore, really, and none that are reef tank keepers. So anyone that visits here is pretty much okay with the bong sitting on the shelf. :wink:

Hmm, I'd always thought it was 'active radiation'. Thanks Chris!

[fishytime]

For effective flowering and fruiting, plants need a fair amount of the red spectrum that is lacking in higher K bulbs (part of the reason those bulbs generally rate lower in PAR), which is why AgroSun bulbs have become popular for indoor growers who grow flowering / fruiting plants...

thats what fiji purples are for:biggrin:

[BlueAbyss]

Nice to hear from a T5 guy :lol: I'm really tempted...

[Funky_Fish14]

The old notion that green light is of no use to plants is actually wrong, there just isn't as wide an absorption band at that point in the visible light spectrum.

Hey I never said green was of no use, just for spinach chlorophlasts in photocells I and II, the green light is not used as much for photosynthesis, but im sure like you guys said it is used for other photo-regulated processes! :smile: