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Chin_Lee
10-23-2009, 06:16 PM
So many people have posted that they have baby bangaiis but the threads never follow through with updates of success or failures.

I want to start a discussion on raising baby bangaiis and how successful have you been in raising them. I would like to try to collect data if possible by having the following questions answered:

General
1) How many frys did you start out with?
2) How many survived to adults?
3) If none, how long did the oldest one live for or how big did it grow?
4) Did you attempt to raise them?

Foods
5) What did you feed the new born frys?
6) Did you do anything special to the foods? (ie Selcon)
7) As they got older, what and when did you try frozen/pellet foods?
8) If successful, how did you wean them off live foods?
9) How did you feed them? (manual turkey baster or automatic setup)

Habitat
10) Where did you raise your fry? (ie sump/separate container/main display)
11) What temp was the water?
12) How much swimming space did they have? (LxWxH)
13) How much flow in the swimming space? (none, low, moderate, high)
14) What was in the swimming space? (live rock, algae, fake plants)
15) What was your lighting schedule?

If you feel tere are other questions that should be added, LMK.
Otherwise lets type, read, and learn.
Thanks
Chin

Chin_Lee
10-23-2009, 06:41 PM
General
1) How many frys did you start out with?
28
2) How many survived to adults?
none in previous batches. Current batch still growing
3) If none, how long did the oldest one live for or how big did it grow?
previous batches - 3 weeks to about 1/2 inch
4) Did you attempt to raise them?
yes with one batch

Foods
5) What did you feed the new born frys?
BBS
6) Did you do anything special to the foods? (ie Selcon)
only if I have leftover bbs 24 hours after they hatch. (apparently they don't start feeding until 24 hour after they hatch because they will continue to absorb their yolk and develope their mouths and anus)

7) As they got older, what and when did you try frozen/pellet foods?
yes - cyclopeeze but they never ate it. wouldn't touch frozen foods

8) If successful, how did you wean them off live foods?

9) How did you feed them? (manual turkey baster or automatic setup)
previous batch - manual turkey basting bbs.
Current batch - I attached a hose to a black plastic bottle and I punched three 1/4 holes into the black bottle. The bottle sits in their living space with the top of the hose 3-4" out of the water. I pour BBS into the hose and then start a water drip into the hose through the use of an IV bag. The bbs will sink into the bottle and be attracted towards the light coming through the holes. As they swim towards the light, the water drips from the IV bag helps to push them out of the holes into the mouths of the baby bangaiis.

Habitat
10) Where did you raise your fry? (ie sump/separate container/main display)
Previous batch - in separate container sitting in sump
Refugium but I used to two glass pieces (and with help of magnets) to create a box in one corner of the fuge. Water flows into the area through the

11) What temp was the water?
78 +/- .05

12) How much swimming space did they have? (LxWxH)
first batch - 6x4x6
current batch 6x8x16

13) How much flow in the swimming space? (none, low, moderate, high)
previous batch - very low
current batch - low

14) What was in the swimming space? (live rock, algae, fake plants)
previous batch - bare bottom
current batch - caleurpa algae with many bristle worms and pods eating leftover bbs

15) What was your lighting schedule?
previous batch - 12 on, 12 off
current batch - 24/7 on

Veng68
10-23-2009, 07:11 PM
Hey Chin,

Check this PDF manual about Bangaii Cardinal Breeding

http://nsgl.gso.uri.edu/hawau/hawauh05003.pdf

Also this website is dedicated to breeding marine ornamental fish

http://www.marinebreeder.org/phpbb/index.php?sid=f4f31938c4f98d1dc38fc572c5a3d11c

Good luck.

Cheers,
Vic

Myka
10-24-2009, 03:33 AM
Here a Bangaii Breeding Journal I made. http://216.187.96.54/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=38770 (if that works...the link looks funny)

It is incomplete though, as I did end up raising 2 or 3 batches to selling size. Those batches were 28-35 babies if I remember correctly, and none of them died from the batch. They are fairly easy to raise provided you know a thing or two. Like...get them onto frozen food within the first week. That's a biggie. :)

General
1) How many frys did you start out with?
28-35

2) How many survived to adults?
First few batches, none
Last few batches, all

3) If none, how long did the oldest one live for or how big did it grow?
I had issues getting them onto frozen food, and they died because I quit feeding them BBS. I think the last one kicked the bucket around 3 months old. Use the turkey baster to keep the frozen food suspended...they won't take it off the bottom when they are young.

4) Did you attempt to raise them?
Yeppers.

Foods
5) What did you feed the new born frys?
BBS

6) Did you do anything special to the foods? (ie Selcon)
I fed the BBS Selcon 1 hour before feeding the fry.

7) As they got older, what and when did you try frozen/pellet foods?
I blended up PE Mysis, and got them eating that within a week on the successful batches. They had Selcon and garlic mixed in, and I mixed it up with the BBS to get them change over.

8) If successful, how did you wean them off live foods?
See above.

9) How did you feed them? (manual turkey baster or automatic setup)
Turkey baster, although I had great plans of an auto system. :D

Habitat
10) Where did you raise your fry? (ie sump/separate container/main display)
Successful batches were in separate tanks.
Unsuccessful were in floating containers in the display.

11) What temp was the water?
Probably 78 like the rest of my tanks?? Not sure...

12) How much swimming space did they have? (LxWxH)
The teeny guys had about 2 gallons, then moved up to 5 gallons, 10, then 20 to selliing size.

13) How much flow in the swimming space? (none, low, moderate, high)
Very low with the teeny guys...just a sponge filter. As they got bigger they got more flow.

14) What was in the swimming space? (live rock, algae, fake plants)
Fake plants, nothing organic. Made for easy clean up. Gotta keep nutrients real low or they go gimpy.

15) What was your lighting schedule?
The little guys were dimly lit for 12 hours/day so I could feed them more. I found they did better in dim lighting. The bigger guys were 8 hours light, and it was brighter so I could prep them for peoples' display tanks. :)

reef bound
10-24-2009, 05:50 PM
We had our first batch in April this year, not really intending to ever have anything of the sort, but ....stuff happens in the reefing world.

1) How many frys did you start out with?
*only found four - 1 in the sump and three in the display tank from my original batch.
2) How many survived to adults?
*we still have 2 of the original 4 and now also have found 4 more at various ages. We've recently found 1 in each of our overflows that look the same age if not older than our April batch, and two more in the refugium from 2 different batches.
3) If none, how long did the oldest one live for or how big did it grow?
*so far so good
4) did you attempt to raise them?
*Yes. We have 6 babies all together, oldest being 6 months old, youngest is about 1 month. Currently largest is about 1 1/2".
5) What did you feed the new born frys?
*BBS for the ones we rescued from the first batch, but the ones in the overflows and the 2 in the fuge have been fending for themselves and doing fine by the looks of it.
6) Did you do anything special to the foods? (ie Selcon)
*selcon and a little garlic
7) As they got older, what and when did you try frozen/pellet foods?
*after about 2 months I started blending mysis and omega brine shrimp and mixed a bit in with the BBS. Also started giving cyclopeze just by itself and it seemed to work, too.
8) If successful, how did you wean them off live foods?
*I'd say it took about a week until they were only eating the frozen food and cyclopeze and I cut back feeding them to 3 times/day, then down to 2 times/day---currently at 2 times/day.
9) How did you feed them? (manual turkey baster or automatic setup)
*just used a spoon to settle it on top, they were pretty fast.
10) Where did you raise your fry? (ie sump/separate container/main display)
*5g tank with sponge filter for first ones, but out of the last 4, 2 had been living in the overflows un-noticed until last month and seemed to be fine, the other 2 are in the fuge and will stay there for the time being,as I took down the 5g. (I've since put the original 2 babies and one from one of the overflows into my Red Sea Max and all are doing well. They are in there with a blue spot pufferfish and a lawnmower blenny.)
11) What temp was the water?
*78-79 degrees
12) How much swimming space did they have? (LxWxH)
*Not sure of dimensions, but typical 5g then moved them to a typical 10g after about 3 months old
13) How much flow in the swimming space? (none, low, moderate, high)
*no flow, just the bubbles from the filter, then in the 10g at 3 months old I had an aquaclear filter and the bubble filter and that gave a little more flow
14) What was in the swimming space? (live rock, algae, fake plants)
*a couple pieces of PVC in the tank, but the ones in the fuge right now have all sorts of rocks, algae, plants, and a couple of urchins
15) What was your lighting schedule?
*low light for about 10 hours/day

All in all, it's been very neat. I will say it was alot of work to be diligent with feeding the babies 4 times a day, but if a person was set up properly for breeding - which we aren't and can't- it would be better. We're actually trying to catch our 2 breeders to pass along to someone who is set up for it, to bring more baby bangaiis into the world. (They're proving to be very hard to catch.)

globaldesigns
10-24-2009, 06:51 PM
I have one guy living in one of my overflows... He is about 1.5 inches now, otherwise when my 2 bangaiis have babies, they just become food for the others.