Got a kick out of this add

[fishytime]

http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-pets-accessories-Coral-For-Saltwater-Fish-Tank-W0QQAdIdZ158589054

[noirsphynx]

That ad was on the Edmonton Kijiji not long ago and I LMAO :pound:

[Ephraim]

wow, uber rare terrestrial corals, lol

[fishytime]

Ya....and you cant buy coral anymore as it is restricted:lol:

[banditpowdercoat]

What a joke. That guy needs a slap for desecrating out hobby

[lorenz0]

i want what he is smoking

[Snaz]

Long ago before when reef tanks, LR and trickle filtration were new to North America, dead corals were a must for a marine tank, or so we were told. Without the dead coral the pH would drop etc etc. Every year the hobbyist would swap out his dead corals, bleach them with chlorine and sunshine and put them back in his tank pristine white and biological filtration was handled but undergravel filters. :)

He is probably right in that you cannot buy coral skeletons easily anymore.

[mseepman]

The sad part is that there probably is a sucker or two out there with a fresh water tank that thinks this is the route to take when they go SW.

Hate to see someone get taken by this person.

[Red Coral Aquariums]

Long ago before when reef tanks, LR and trickle filtration were new to North America, dead corals were a must for a marine tank, or so we were told. Without the dead coral the pH would drop etc etc. Every year the hobbyist would swap out his dead corals, bleach them with chlorine and sunshine and put them back in his tank pristine white and biological filtration was handled but undergravel filters. :)

He is probably right in that you cannot buy coral skeletons easily anymore.

This is funny as Red Coral just turned down a maintenance job from a prominent Calgary clothing chain that was setting up a salt water looking tank with dead corals and cichlid fish. They thought no one would know the difference. LOL
They would be suckers for that purchase.
Kevin

[lastlight]

offer the guy $20 for his fancy reactor media.

[fishytime]

I got a steal of a deal then for my rare albino acro just paid $10 for this one this w/e:lol: Not my pic http://typicalfish.com/images/forsale/firesale/IMG_3862.JPG

[sphelps]

Large pieces of coral skeleton are fairly expensive from stores, more than he's asking for. You'd have a hard time finding these from retail for less, in the hobby we might be able to score a deal on someones misfortune but that's pretty rare for large sizes.

People look at things differently, I've had plenty of people laugh at me for spending X amount of dollars on a small piece of coral less than 1" long. And I recall a thread not too long ago where someone was laughed at and ridiculed for asking what was apparently too much for what some call "rare" corals.

[lastlight]

I think the humour here is stemming more from his wording and fibbing in his ad more than anything else.

[sphelps]

I think the humour here is stemming more from his wording and fibbing in his ad more than anything else.
Care to elaborate?

have 15 pieces of coral for a saltwater fish tank. I had a 200 gallon tank and did not want the ressponsibility of having live coral to take care of. All pieces are very rare as you can no longer purchase coral because it is now protected. I will sell pieces seperatly or as a package for $500.00. Some of these pieces are very large and cost over $100 each. e-mail me for any questions that you may have.

I would have to agree that these are rare and hard to find and would assume you'll need some kind of permit to import them.

[Aquattro]

I would have to agree that these are rare and hard to find and would assume you'll need some kind of permit to import them.

Yup, I would agree. In years past, you would pay well over $100 for a large coral skeleton. I rarely see them in stores anymore, so again, they are probably rare and hard to find.

[lastlight]

Ok he claims you can't buy coral anymore. I don't really need to elaborate ;)

[Aquattro]

Ok he claims you can't buy coral anymore. I don't really need to elaborate ;)

Can we buy dead coral anymore? Haven't seen any in a long time.

[lastlight]

Well he never specified dead which is why I found the posting funny. I've never really seen dead coral for sale no.

[fishytime]

Does someone wanna buy the big one I just got?:mrgreen:

[sphelps]

Well he never specified dead which is why I found the posting funny. I've never really seen dead coral for sale no.
Fairly obvious what he was talking about, I hardly think someone would seriously think he was talking about live coral. He clearly stated he didn't want the responsibility of live coral in his tank and showed clear pictures of dead coral. A clear and obvious difference exists.

[lastlight]

Alright you win. It wasn't a funny ad =)

[bauder1986]

I dont think that it is really all that rare to buy coral skeletons. The LFS in red deer has them in on many occasions. And no its no petland or petsmart. We have a Salt water store here in Red Deer. And it is real coral skeletons. Yah, but they have them in quite abit and fair priced to as well.

[sphelps]

I dont think that it is really all that rare to buy coral skeletons. The LFS in red deer has them in on many occasions. And no its no petland or petsmart. We have a Salt water store here in Red Deer. And it is real coral skeletons. Yah, but they have them in quite abit and fair priced to as well.
LFSs will often sell small ones which are simply the store's die off, finding large ones as indicated is difficult.

[globaldesigns]

The sad thing, is some sap will fall for it and buy it.

Wow, lovely calcium deposits they are.

[Red Coral Aquariums]

Care to elaborate?



I would have to agree that these are rare and hard to find and would assume you'll need some kind of permit to import them.

Sphelps;

I got a box of 18 acro colonies that came in dead. I didn't know they were worth more dead than alive. I have a great deal for you. No permit required.
Kevin

[aquatic_rice]

HAHAHAHAHA TOO FUNNY!:lol:

gotta make the most out of every situation :wink:

Sphelps;

I got a box of 18 acro colonies that came in dead. I didn't know they were worth more dead than alive. I have a great deal for you. No permit required.
Kevin

[sphelps]

Sphelps;

I got a box of 18 acro colonies that came in dead. I didn't know they were worth more dead than alive. I have a great deal for you. No permit required.
Kevin

Hilarious :lol:, do you write your own material? Perhaps we should talk about your prices and how outrageous someone may think they are. How many times have you had a newby over react to a fish that costs over $100 or even $20? Maybe you should consider that this person paid good money for what he's selling and is only trying to recover some of his costs. Those mini colonies aren't what I'm referring to nor is it what he's selling. Show me any retail store selling real ornament corals of the same size for less.

It's pretty easy to point and laugh at someone else but put yourself in his shoes and you'll think different, I don't know anyone that likes to have others tell them what they should sell their own stuff for.

[Boomboy]

was it your ad, sphelps?? :lol::lol::lol:

[fishytime]

Im thinking about buying them.....how long do you have to cycle the tank before you add them? When things settle down I'll add a few of these http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-pets-accessories-Airstone-Bubble-Shell-2-for-1-00-W0QQAdIdZ158804944 (by drip of course)......hopefully I can talk him down a bit.:mrgreen:

Cmon ....I posted the add here thinking that the majority of us peeps who strive to keep our saltwater tanks full of life, would find the idea of paying $500 bones for dead coral to put in a saltwater tank , funny.....was I wrong?....unfortunately people have varying degrees of senses of humor

[lastlight]

Doug my thoughts exactly. We're in the lounge to boot. I don't really care to debate about it and clearly you and I both got the same innocent enjoyment out of it without pondering the intense and complex issues behind a big pile of dead corals someone wants $500 for.

[Canuckgod420]

I thought the ad was very funny......
As far as the poor sap trying to recover some of his money.....give me a break.
By the way, J&L has huge dead colonies in for sale for less than 30 bucks each.

[Sebae again]

Me thinks the responses are funny,not the ad.

[Hairytank]

Well, I thought it was funny for the same reasons Doug.
Sphelps' comments are like a critic discussing a good braincandy action adventure movie and saying something like "that movie was garbage because it was sooo unrealistic..." Take Doug's post for what it was intended to be...a funny commentary from a certain point of view. :lol:

[sphelps]

Sphelps' comments are like a critic discussing a good braincandy action adventure movie and saying something like "that movie was garbage because it was sooo unrealistic..."
Quite the opposite actually, I'm not criticizing anything unlike others here. I just didn't find it funny, what so ever and I have a hard tell seeing why someone would and take time out of or her day to share it with others. btw the guy has revised his add and added a website for reference, likely where he or she purchased them from. Also it's not me nor do I know who it is. What I do find amusing is how so many people just love to talk smack about others when they're not looking, for no good reason other than their own enjoyment.

Did anyone consider that maybe some people are willing to spend this kind of money on coral skeletons. Perhaps not everyone enjoys robbing the natural reefs, fyi "90 percent of some of the most popular coral species collected from reefs die before or soon after they reach the aquarium owner (http://www.fws.gov/news/coral.html)". But that's OK, why buy dead when you can buy live for the same price apparently, haha too funny :neutral:

[fishytime]

Quite the opposite actually, I'm not criticizing anything unlike others here. I just didn't find it funny, what so ever and I have a hard tell seeing why someone would and take time out of or her day to share it with others. btw the guy has revised his add and added a website for reference, likely where he or she purchased them from. Also it's not me nor do I know who it is. What I do find amusing is how so many people just love to talk smack about others when they're not looking, for no good reason other than their own enjoyment.

Did anyone consider that maybe some people are willing to spend this kind of money on coral skeletons. Perhaps not everyone enjoys robbing the natural reefs, fyi "90 percent of some of the most popular coral species collected from reefs die before or soon after they reach the aquarium owner (http://www.fws.gov/news/coral.html)". But that's OK, why buy dead when you can buy live for the same price apparently, haha too funny :neutral:

I'll give you two hundred for them sphelps

[fishytime]

Also, the person who posted the add on kijiji is obviously here....or knows someone who is.....wonder why they didnt post it for sale here????

[lastlight]

LMAO. Dude that was exactly what I *wanted* to post but I left it alone. The reason they might not post it here is certainly related to the humour I found in the ad to begin with.

[Ryan]

Hey he is down to $400!!!!

[Mrfish55]

Hey he is down to $400!!!!

Bump for a good deal!

[G1GY]

Quite the opposite actually, I'm not criticizing anything unlike others here. I just didn't find it funny, what so ever and I have a hard tell seeing why someone would and take time out of or her day to share it with others. btw the guy has revised his add and added a website for reference, likely where he or she purchased them from. Also it's not me nor do I know who it is. What I do find amusing is how so many people just love to talk smack about others when they're not looking, for no good reason other than their own enjoyment.

Did anyone consider that maybe some people are willing to spend this kind of money on coral skeletons. Perhaps not everyone enjoys robbing the natural reefs, fyi "90 percent of some of the most popular coral species collected from reefs die before or soon after they reach the aquarium owner (http://www.fws.gov/news/coral.html)". But that's OK, why buy dead when you can buy live for the same price apparently, haha too funny :neutral:

:lol:

Are you insinuating that if you buy a dead coral that you're not "robbing" the natural reefs like the people who prefer to buy live coral?
Even if you harvest a dead coral..... you're stealing the home/building blocks of another.
Some might even argue that tank kept corals may be the key to re-introducing a given species once it's extinct.

What I found sad when reading this thread was that I sent 2-5 gallon buckets of these gems to the dump a couple of weeks ago.:sad:

[sphelps]

:lol:

Are you insinuating that if you buy a dead coral that you're not "robbing" the natural reefs like the people who prefer to buy live coral?
Even if you harvest a dead coral..... you're stealing the home/building blocks of another.
Some might even argue that tank kept corals may be the key to re-introducing a given species once it's extinct.

No I'm not suggesting that, however dead coral doesn't die unlike live coral which has around 10% survival rate. Also removing dead coral from the reefs is much less harmful than removing live coral. It's a known fact that using dead coral in your tank over live coral has much less of an effect on the environment, it's published in almost every aquarium book I've seen.
I can assure you the this hobby doesn't help the natural reefs in anyway, to say otherwise is simply a way of absolving yourself. If you disagree show me anything that suggests otherwise, and no research facilities are not part of the hobby.

[Samw]

When I first got into marines 25 years ago, I bought a large dead coral for around $75 as the main center piece in my fish only tank. It was one of the smaller ones in the store even. I wanted to buy the bigger $100 one but I just didn't have enough money. I still have that coral. It is now sitting on the top of my living room shelf as room decoration.

[Snaz]

i can assure you the this hobby doesn't help the natural reefs in anyway, to say otherwise is simply a way of absolving yourself.

+1

[Ryan]

No I'm not suggesting that, however dead coral doesn't die unlike live coral which has around 10% survival rate. Also removing dead coral from the reefs is much less harmful than removing live coral. It's a known fact that using dead coral in your tank over live coral has much less of an effect on the environment, it's published in almost every aquarium book I've seen.
I can assure you the this hobby doesn't help the natural reefs in anyway, to say otherwise is simply a way of absolving yourself. If you disagree show me anything that suggests otherwise, and no research facilities are not part of the hobby.

I would have to disagree. Dead coral skeletons will give a good base for new corals to grow on and give animals shelter just like live ones would.

[fishoholic]

Im thinking about buying them.....how long do you have to cycle the tank before you add them? When things settle down I'll add a few of these http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-pets-accessories-Airstone-Bubble-Shell-2-for-1-00-W0QQAdIdZ158804944 (by drip of course)......hopefully I can talk him down a bit.:mrgreen:

Cmon ....I posted the add here thinking that the majority of us peeps who strive to keep our saltwater tanks full of life, would find the idea of paying $500 bones for dead coral to put in a saltwater tank , funny.....was I wrong?....unfortunately people have varying degrees of senses of humor

I personally see the hummor in it, I got a football sized piece of "real" dead coral in my tank that I got for free, so personally I can't imagine paying that much for dead coral. I guess there are people who think of them as being "art" and would pay good money to display it, but to me it still seems unlikely.

Doug my thoughts exactly. We're in the lounge to boot. I don't really care to debate about it and clearly you and I both got the same innocent enjoyment out of it without pondering the intense and complex issues behind a big pile of dead corals someone wants $500 for.

+1

[sphelps]

I would have to disagree. Dead coral skeletons will give a good base for new corals to grow on and give animals shelter just like live ones would.
Disagree? So you're saying removing dead corals is worse than removing live corals :neutral:? I'm not saying either is good or perfect, I'm simply saying one is significantly better than the other.

[Ryan]

No I am saying removing one is just as bad as removing the other.

There's pros and cons of doing both and saying removing live corals from reefs is bad and shouldnt be done is pretty hyocritical for anyone with a reef tank.

[G1GY]

No I'm not suggesting that, however dead coral doesn't die unlike live coral which has around 10% survival rate. Also removing dead coral from the reefs is much less harmful than removing live coral. It's a known fact that using dead coral in your tank over live coral has much less of an effect on the environment, it's published in almost every aquarium book I've seen.
I can assure you the this hobby doesn't help the natural reefs in anyway, to say otherwise is simply a way of absolving yourself. If you disagree show me anything that suggests otherwise, and no research facilities are not part of the hobby.

Ohhhhhh!, okay I get it now.:smile:
If the reefs are only somewhat damaged or harmed........ it's not quite as much of an issue?

Also, I never said that this hobby helps reefs in any way. I said "Some might even argue". There is a difference.

Calling it "dead coral" is so harsh. Would you like to buy a bucket of my rare white environmentaly freindly recycled coral?:wink:

[sphelps]

No I am saying removing one is just as bad as removing the other.

There's pros and cons of doing both and saying removing live corals from reefs is bad and shouldnt be done is pretty hyocritical for anyone with a reef tank.
Interesting but I'm not sure I understand your logic, if I understand correctly, you're saying that removing one coral that's already dead has the same effect as removing 10 live corals (based on 10% survival rate)? Then on top of that the live corals can die later one from one of many typical causes, very rarely does a single coral live forever in an aquarium while a dead coral does.

You're reading between the lines, my point from the start is that some people will spend good money on fake/dead coral rather than cause more damage to living reefs and I don't think it's right to cut them down for that. I support the hobby just like everyone else here, I don't think its really a good thing but like the rest of us I'm not overly concerned, I'm just one of the few that will actually admit it.

Ohhhhhh!, okay I get it now.:smile:
If the reefs are only somewhat damaged or harmed........ it's not quite as much of an issue?

Also, I never said that this hobby helps reefs in any way. I said "Some might even argue". There is a difference.

Calling it "dead coral" is so harsh. Would you like to buy a bucket of my rare white environmentaly freindly recycled coral?:wink:
Exactly, it's not as much of an issue. Any improvement is better than no improvement, just like anything else, we call things green now as a way of saying it's better for the environment. It's not 100% better but anything less damaging would be an improvement, wouldn't you agree?
Maybe we should call it that, makes perfect sense to me. Hybrids and new electric cars are labeled environmentally friendly but they still produce harmful emissions.

[sphelps]

I personally see the hummor in it, I got a football sized piece of "real" dead coral in my tank that I got for free, so personally I can't imagine paying that much for dead coral. I guess there are people who think of them as being "art" and would pay good money to display it, but to me it still seems unlikely.

Fair enough, I get things for free sometime too, one example are some very nice rare coral frags from good friends. The difference is I don't try and publicly humiliate and insult a guy that doesn't have the same advantage and has to buy the same corals for full retail price (and I'm not saving you did).

Finding something funny is one thing but when it results is harsh criticism and unnecessary comments I believe it crosses the line, which is the only reason I piped up in the first place.

[mark]

And here I was going to take this colony out this weekend, guess I should just leave it in the tank and save the environment

link (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/das75/P9100001.jpg)

[lastlight]

Well this has gotten pretty intense. I think if someone found the post funny perhaps it was because they thought the dead corals weren't worth anywhere near $500. I still don't which is independant of all this chatter.

[parkinsn]

And here I was going to take this colony out this weekend, guess I should just leave it in the tank and save the environment

link (http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h316/das75/P9100001.jpg)

Screw the environment, thats like a $700 piece of dead coral make some money :lol:

This has been quite the read.

[fishytime]

Finding something funny is one thing but when it results is harsh criticism and unnecessary comments I believe it crosses the line, which is the only reason I piped up in the first place.

Do you ever get those funny emails?...You know, the ones your friends forward you.....maybe you dont... Thats all this was......I posted it because it made me snicker and I thought some here might feel the same....and they did....if you didnt think it was funny....fine....keep your mouth shut and let us have our fun....is it hurting anyone?....if anything I just got a thousand more people to look at the add then would have before....just blows me away how something so innocent like my original post can get so intense because of one or two .....people.... poo poo on someone else's parade *just my 2 cents.*

[Ryan]

Shelps I am talking colony to colony. The dead pieces have just as much impact on a reef as live ones do. Removing a piece whether live or dead can and most likely will have a major impact on a reef.

Can you please explain this logic to me.

very rarely does a single coral live forever in an aquarium while a dead coral does.

Its my understanding a dea coral is already dead so how does it live forever in an aquarium?

[sphelps]

Shelps I am talking colony to colony. The dead pieces have just as much impact on a reef as live ones do. Removing a piece whether live or dead can and most likely will have a major impact on a reef.

Can you please explain this logic to me.



Its my understanding a dea coral is already dead so how does it live forever in an aquarium?
Haha too funny, I knew you'd pick on that part of my post, you got no argument left so you try picking on my wording, classic! It's pretty clear what I meant, dead corals stay the same forever, live corals don't. To say the impact is the same is laughable.

[Ryan]

How is it laughable? Both live corals and dead skeletons have a role to play on a reef. Removing either of them will disrubt that. Other dead skeletons form a base for the new ones to grow on. If you take out the dead ones where will the live ones grow?

I am not trying to pick your words apart I am just shoing the flaw in your logic.

[sphelps]

Do you ever get those funny emails?...You know, the ones your friends forward you.....maybe you dont... Thats all this was......I posted it because it made me snicker and I thought some here might feel the same....and they did....if you didnt think it was funny....fine....keep your mouth shut and let us have our fun....is it hurting anyone?....if anything I just got a thousand more people to look at the add then would have before....just blows me away how something so innocent like my original post can get so intense because of one or two .....people.... poo poo on someone else's parade *just my 2 cents.*
Have fun at your own expense not someone elses who had no choice. Yes I think someone got hurt, seems people think the author has seen this thread how does he feel? Emails are private, public forums are not.

[sphelps]

How is it laughable? Both live corals and dead skeletons have a role to play on a reef. Removing either of them will disrubt that. Other dead skeletons form a base for the new ones to grow on. If you take out the dead ones where will the live ones grow?

I am not trying to pick your words apart I am just shoing the flaw in your logic.
Yes the cycle of life exists but life conquers death, rock can be replaced, live coral not so easy. Even now when they attempt to rebuild reefs they don't have any problems making the structures to hold the corals, it takes hardly any time to make them yet it takes many years to grow the coral.

[fishytime]

Have fun at your own expence not someone elses who had no choice. Yes I think someone got hurt, seems people think the author has seen this thread how does he feel? Emails are private, public forums are not.

The original poster of the original add posted it on a public forum....He probably thinks "wow...people who know a bunch about reef tanks, think my price is out to lunch....maybe I should adjust my price a little"....hmm what do you know?...he did.... I have a top of the line (in the 90s) dual cassette deck....really sweet unit at the time....cost, like $500....I imagine they are fairly rare now...would you give me $300 for it? Times change and so does the value of things.

So your saying that we shouldnt post links to anything? Ive seem numerous links to things meant to be funny and things that arent meant to be funny. We then post and laugh and cry and talk and argue about the link. Why is what I posted any different?

[sphelps]

The original poster of the original add posted it on a public forum....He probably thinks "wow...people who know a bunch about reef tanks, think my price is out to lunch....maybe I should adjust my price a little"....hmm what do you know?...he did.... I have a top of the line (in the 90s) dual cassette deck....really sweet unit at the time....cost, like $500....I imagine they are fairly rare now...would you give me $300 for it? Times change and so does the value of things.

So your saying that we shouldnt post links to anything? Ive seem numerous links to things meant to be funny and things that arent meant to be funny. We then post and laugh and cry and talk and argue about the link. Why is what I posted any different?
The second you insult someone publicly things change, I'm not saying you're responsible so get defensive as I'm not looking to fight with anyone. I simply wanted to stick up for the other side as I thought the comments where getting out of hand.

Besides I'm not sure what you're mad about, you posted something to get some interest and you got it, everyone doesn't have to agree with you.

And yes things change but not everything, retail price is still high for coral skeletons and they are harder to find. Like I said before not everyone gets opportunities to get things for free. Many people around the world would pay a lot of money for many things we take for granted, doesn't mean they're stupid or wrong in anyway.

[G1GY]

Have fun at your own expense not someone elses who had no choice. Yes I think someone got hurt, seems people think the author has seen this thread how does he feel? Emails are private, public forums are not.


Of course the author had a choice. The second you post it up for sale...... You've made that choice. Maybe the author thought that their choice was going to bring quick cash and not a good laugh.

We are all subject to the opinions of others. This is even more true when using the internet for whatever we use it for. If the authour has such a light grasp on reality that my opinion may damage their delicate psyche, maybe the internet should be avoided by them.

What is of great value to me is worthless to others in most cases. I have people walking into the tattoo shop all the time who are pondering getting their first tattoo. They come with nothing more than an expectation that they got from their most recent viewing of LA ink. When they find out what's involved and how much it's going to cost, the whole idea loses it's lustre very quick in some cases while others bring whatever they can afford each and every payday to get their fix. Some are very vocal about what they view as a rip off while others swear that they've never had a better deal.

It's how it goes. Love it or not, it just is.

It's very commendable that you care about what the seller of the dead corals feels. I think that it shows that you're good person with a warm heart. I actualy mean it, but I'm still going to have that laugh.:smile: