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Coleus
09-26-2009, 04:41 AM
Hmm,
Today i just got a clown tang and is being chased by my brown tang. I turned off the light and still does not help. I thought they are different color and shape, they should be ok.
Any thoughts?
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I suspect your brown tang feels threatened. Also, I've noticed that clown tangs are very skittish and and easily bullied. The brown will probably keep bullying him for as long as he can get away with it. Clown tangs are actually quite hard to keep. Yours will probably be doomed.. Try taking out the brown tang and placing him in qurantine to give the clown tang some hope of making it.
mseepman
09-26-2009, 05:05 AM
I know a lot of people have re-directed the focus of an attacking fish by putting a mirror up so that they attack their own image rather than the other fish until things calm down.
I would try that.
SeaHorse_Fanatic
09-26-2009, 05:29 AM
How big is your tank?
I found that my Powder Brown is far more aggressive than my Purple or Hippo tangs.
Drock169
09-26-2009, 07:34 AM
Are we talking about a scopas (brown tang) or a powder brown/whitecheek/goldrim. If its the second one, then they are more closely related. Otherwise you will probably have about 2 weeks of fighting if its the first one.
naesco
09-26-2009, 03:14 PM
Hmm,
Today i just got a clown tang and is being chased by my brown tang. I turned off the light and still does not help. I thought they are different color and shape, they should be ok.
Any thoughts?
Yes, immediately return the fish to the LFS for a credit and review
www.wetwebmedia.com before you buy future fish or ask questions here.
Good Luck
Coleus
09-26-2009, 05:19 PM
hmm i asked the LFS before i bought and they said will be ok. Anyway, it is the powder brown tang.
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Coleus
09-26-2009, 05:27 PM
if i take out the brown tang, would it help to put him back in the main tank in later time? My tank is 155 gallon. Btw, i put the mirror and my powder brown tang does not attack its image
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parkinsn
09-26-2009, 06:10 PM
Yes, immediately return the fish to the LFS for a credit and review
www.wetwebmedia.com before you buy future fish or ask questions here.
Good Luck
I would have to agree with Naesco, if you can return the clown tang do it. They are very nice fish, but they are hard to keep and they get very large. Even a 155 is not big enough for it. If you do manage to keep it alive the aggression may diminish as it gets bigger, clown tangs are very aggressive.
As to the "why" question, personally I think the clown tang has a similar shape to the powder brown.
powder brown vs clown tang
http://www.frontiernet.net/~maroasis/powder_brown_surgeonfish.jpg .. http://coralcritters.com/images/livestock/108.jpg ..
The clown tang may establish himself enough to fight back once you put the powder brown back in, maybe. Assuming the clown tang hasn't already kicked the bucket. Funny, I see LFS bring in clown tangs ALL the time and they are beautiful fish, but I have never seen a clown tang in any hobbyists tank.. poor little guys, they really do belong in the sea probably.
Coleus
09-26-2009, 08:38 PM
Ok, they seems peaceful now. Crossing my finger. I think my powder tang just want to show who is the boss in the tank. He chased my six line wrasse as well when first introduce
But time will tell, I will leave them for another day and see how they do. My regal tang used to be the boss in the tank.
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Coleus
09-26-2009, 08:58 PM
Funny, I see LFS bring in clown tangs ALL the time and they are beautiful fish, but I have never seen a clown tang in any hobbyists tank.. poor little guys, they really do belong in the sea probably.
Yeah, most of the time they won't eat. That is what Denis at gold told me, he got 4 and 3 of them did not eat and they died, this one takes pellets well that is why i take him home. It is freaking hard try to catch him now, unless i have to remove my 200 lbs of rocks and corals. Just hope for miracle happens.
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Jason McK
09-26-2009, 10:03 PM
Yes, immediately return the fish to the LFS for a credit and review
www.wetwebmedia.com before you buy future fish or ask questions here.
Good Luck
Boy That has got to be the least helpful answer can't you try to help?
subman
09-26-2009, 10:22 PM
Boy That has got to be the least helpful answer can't you try to help?
+1 :rolleyes:
Coleus
09-26-2009, 11:14 PM
Well, everytime my powder tang was chasing my clown tang, i tap the glass in the hope that he understands (i know they are fish not dog but hey worth a try). After keep doing that, now they seems fine now. Some screenshot as they get close to each other
Returning the fish to LFS would be the last resource, It is fun to try out all other options. Part of learning anyway :-)
Thank you for all useful opinions and knowledge.
Cheers
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naesco
09-27-2009, 12:40 AM
Why Jason?
!. He has problems right now.
2. There is a very high likelyhood that the clown will die because they success rate is poor.
3. If it does survive, the clown, which is one of the most vicious tangs, will become dominant and will attack any new tangs the reefers puts in the tank.
4. I directed him to the best website that sets out which tangs are good and which are bad.
BlueAbyss
09-27-2009, 01:39 AM
Either those are small tangs or that's one huge damsel :smile: Hope everything works out for the best... I have also heard that clown tangs are vicious, and should be the last tang put in the tank.
Coleus
09-27-2009, 03:19 AM
oh no, clown tang is vicious tang. Crappy, will it kill my powder tange eventually? I love my powder tang
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Coleus
09-27-2009, 03:20 AM
Either those are small tangs or that's one huge damsel :smile: Hope everything works out for the best... I have also heard that clown tangs are vicious, and should be the last tang put in the tank.
Yeah that is damsel and he is very nice. not aggressive at all to any fish, he was the first one in the tank too. All my tangs are about 2-3 inch
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Coleus
09-27-2009, 03:25 AM
this fish can become an unholy terror towards its tankmates, getting progressively worse with growth
Damn, i should give it back to LFS. Now how can i catch him with all these rocks?
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BlueAbyss
09-27-2009, 04:20 AM
Maybe you will luck out and he won't terrorize the other inhabitants. You are lucky enough to get one that eats prepared foods, you should really consider keeping him... he is a beautiful fish!
Coleus
09-27-2009, 04:37 AM
Maybe you will luck out and he won't terrorize the other inhabitants. You are lucky enough to get one that eats prepared foods, you should really consider keeping him... he is a beautiful fish!
Now. that is some encouragement. I think i will give it a shot. If later he terrorize others, i will take him out. Hope, he is the unique one. He is taking pellets and mysis.
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Jason McK
09-27-2009, 05:41 AM
Why Jason?
!. He has problems right now.
2. There is a very high likelyhood that the clown will die because they success rate is poor.
3. If it does survive, the clown, which is one of the most vicious tangs, will become dominant and will attack any new tangs the reefers puts in the tank.
4. I directed him to the best website that sets out which tangs are good and which are bad.
I guess it was the way you presented the information. Maybe if you had said "Clown tang are very difficult and will grow to be a very aggressive tang, I would recommend returning it and researching a different tang"
That would have come across are helpful and not as arrogant.
Haloreef
09-27-2009, 04:31 PM
Well here goes nothing. I have had two clown tangs in my tanks. The first for almost 2 years with a yellow tang a bristle tooth, Vlamingi and naso I had no ongoing aggression between these tangs after the initial introductions. I have know doubt that I would still have them all if it had not been for my tank springing a leak and draining in the middle of the night, oh did that suck!
Now to the present. Powder blue, Clown, Red Sea sailfin, Regal, Convict, Red Sea bristle tooth and an Orange shoulder all live together for the most part peacefully. Im no expert but I keep my tank well fed, I have lots of rock with crevises and arches so there are lots of visual barriers and every tang has his own place to sleep. The only two that seem to show any aggression to each other are the Orange shoulder and the Powder Blue and only minor squabbles once and a while. These were the first two in the tank.
It can be done.
Good luck!
Keith.
A good skimmer is a must! Tangs poop alot, and alot of tangs well...
Another thing about this hobby is that there's always exceptions to the rules :-)
Nice to see that someone was able to successfully keep these clowns. I've eyed them for a while at the fish stores but all the ones that I have ever seen were always scared crapless and swimming around frantically from other fish in their tanks and weren't eating anything. If the powder brown does settle down and the clown is eating then it sounds like you might have good odds in your favour. Sounds like the clown tang could challenge the powder brown once the clown started to feel more comfortable. Good luck and let us know how you make out.
Coleus
10-07-2009, 11:14 PM
Well,
He is dying -( He can't compete to have enough food against my other fishes in the tank.
He is in my sum now and is very weak. Not sure what else i can do for him now.
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Chin_Lee
10-08-2009, 04:31 PM
if death is inevitable, put into a bag and into the freezer. quicker, very humane, easier to discard when garbage day comes. sorry to hear but more fishes die in the hands of hobbyists that we all care to admit.... including myself.
naesco
10-08-2009, 10:22 PM
Well,
He is dying -( He can't compete to have enough food against my other fishes in the tank.
He is in my sum now and is very weak. Not sure what else i can do for him now.
It is not a matter of competing for enough food.
Clown tangs are very difficult to keep and if they do survive will grow to be a very aggressive tang, I would recommend researching a different tang.
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