why top downs ?

[lobsterboy]

I am wondering why when you view your corals from top down, they always look so much better than viewing from the front of the tank ?

is it because of the glass blocking some kind of color, or is it.....

let me know what you guys think.

thanks.

[lorenz0]

ya i totally agree. when i feed my fish everything looks amazing from the top down

someone must have the answer

[fishytime]

Its the way the light refracts through the glass.

[lobsterboy]

i am trying to find pics that would suit this question, this is the best that i have already up loaded.

check the pink stylo

its in the middle, not the best pic to start off with. purple pink stylo.

http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr329/lobsterboy1000/can3.jpg

top down looks like white glowing body, and crazy skirt.

http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr329/lobsterboy1000/IMG_0094.jpg

[BlueAbyss]

I believe I have heard it is because the light comes from above, and so the pigments are more concentrated from that angle. Not sure where I heard this though, consider it conjecture.

[lobsterboy]

Its the way the light refracts through the glass.

short and simple eh.

[simplycoral]

I believe I have heard it is because the light comes from above, and so the pigments are more concentrated from that angle. Not sure where I heard this though, consider it conjecture.

+1

I have heard this too. Not sure where though:question:

Maybe we shared the same dream :lol:

[lobsterboy]

Its the way the light refracts through the glass.

I believe I have heard it is because the light comes from above, and so the pigments are more concentrated from that angle. Not sure where I heard this though, consider it conjecture.

both make sense.

[whatcaneyedo]

I believe I have heard it is because the light comes from above, and so the pigments are more concentrated from that angle. Not sure where I heard this though, consider it conjecture.

+2 I think it was mentioned in Giant Clams in the Sea and the Aquarium by Fatherree. But of course he was talking about clams and not coral in general.

[Snaz]

Its the way the light refracts through the glass.

I don't think it is refraction through the glass. Refraction just slightly shifts the angle of the light as it passes through the interface, there is no loss or wavelength change due to refraction.

What is more likely is some light never gets through the glass, compare to the glass shield covering a MH light blocking 80% UV light.

[fencer]

Depending on the type of glass. It can absorb part of you light spectrum and it looks dull. This of course relates to Refractive index. Look at starfire vs ordinary glass

[lobsterboy]

could it be all in our heads...?

by this I mean, we get used to seeing our tanks on a daily basis and we get used to what we see as for color, but then you change the view and it looks tottally different something we dont see that often.

But I think its more on the right track of, the light is hitting the coral right on the top of the colony, and giving it more color and more energy.
I had to test this out, so I just fragged a piece of my green slimer, when i was holding it in the tank and rotated it, it looked like it had much more color.

[BlueAbyss]

I'm thinking also that the angle that the light hits it may affect the color also... when my green palys are in the center of the tank (light from directly above) they look bleached out unless they are on the sandbed (like they are reflecting or 'mirroring' the light). They look vibrant green and pink/purple when they are up on the rockwork near the sides of the tank, so it may have to do with reflection(?) within the coral's tissues also. I just noticed this today when I moved them to fill some space (never noticed the purple tones before).

[lastlight]

I don't have a theory but I will say I prefer your stylo head-on 100x. I've always preferred FTS over all the top-down coral pics.

[Myka]

I believe I have heard it is because the light comes from above, and so the pigments are more concentrated from that angle.

This is why. Corals make pigment to protect from UV rays. Obviously the UV rays are coming from above, so the most pigment will be seen when viewing from that direction. ;)

Light your corals from the side, and they will color up on that side. :lol:

[kien]

I vote for "light from above". If you inspect your corals and look at the parts where the light doesn't hit it directly (like a shaded side or the base of a branching colony), the colours aren't that great at all. At least that's the case for my corals. They go from amazing from the top, to pretty good/okay on the sides to dull and possibly brown at the bottom (undersides of branches, base of colony, side of coral not getting direct light). Anyway, that's what I notice with my corals.

[Snaz]

I would agree that corals are more pigmented where the "sunlight" hits them but a glass interface reduces the amount of light through.

Imagine looking at penny top down through one foot of water. Then imagine looking at the same penny through one foot of glass. The penny under the glass would look dull compared to the water penny.

[sphelps]

I would agree that corals are more pigmented where the "sunlight" hits them but a glass interface reduces the amount of light through.

Imagine looking at penny top down through one foot of water. Then imagine looking at the same penny through one foot of glass. The penny under the glass would look dull compared to the water penny.
Interesting logic but I'm not sure who's tank was 12" thick glass or who even has a piece of glass like that lying around to try such an experiment :lol: Glass actually has a refraction index close to water it's about 1.4 compared to 1.3, so given that tanks are generally built with thin glass when compared to the amount of water you're looking through the effects are not that relative. Try looking through glass from top down, which is often done for photography, you won't see a real noticeable difference.

The fact is, like already said, everything looks brighter and more vivid because you're looking parallel to the light source. Our vision is based on how light reflects back to our eyes and parts in direct light look brighter while other parts not in direct light are more shaded and dull. Look around outside as some stationary objects when the sun is low in the morning and when it is high in the afternoon.

[Snaz]

Glass actually has a refraction index close to water it's about 1.4 compared to 1.3...

So if water has a comparable refractive index as glass then surely then refraction is not the issue here correct? My logic is that the glass just does not allow some of the light through.

Again lets look at the 3/8" glass cover on the face of a metal halide light, it blocks up to 80%? of the UV rays does it not? This to me illustrates clearly that glass has great potential to block light.

[sphelps]

So if water has a comparable refractive index as glass then surely the refraction is not the issue here correct? My logic is that the glass just does not allow some of the light through.

Again lets look at the 3/8" glass cover on the face of a metal halide light, it blocks up to 80%? of the UV rays does it not? This to me illustrates clearly that glass has great potential to block light.

Glass can filter UV but this would also be irrelevant since UV is not visible to us and therefore doesn't greatly effect how we see things. Glass will block/absorb light, but so does water which is why light intensity is less with more water depth. You should also note that the glass used in MH fixtures has a coating or specific formula to lower the emissivity which results in the high reflection of UV light, this is not typical with standard glass.

The point is the glass has little to no effect on the topic here. If you could remove the glass from your aquarium you would still see the same effect comparing top to side views (other than a little less green tint from the sides). Acrylic has no tint and the index of refraction is even closer to water and yet these tanks still suffer from side perspective. For this reason I don't see glass as part of the equation, if a variable can be removed without effecting the outcome then it is not part of the problem.

[fooser]

I believe I have heard it is because the light comes from above, and so the pigments are more concentrated from that angle. Not sure where I heard this though, consider it conjecture.


What is more likely is some light never gets through the glass, compare to the glass shield covering a MH light blocking 80% UV light.

I believe that both of these are true and that when put together, makes and even bigger difference to why they look better top down. If you look at a coral in your tank at a higher angle (but not top down) it will look different than if you looked at it level straight on, and that will look different than if you look up at it from an angle below (crouching below eye level of the coral).
Interesting topic to bring up John.

[Myka]

Again lets look at the 3/8" glass cover on the face of a metal halide light, it blocks up to 80%? of the UV rays does it not? This to me illustrates clearly that glass has great potential to block light.

Take a look at Sanjay's lighting pages. Several of the DE bulbs give PPFD numbers with glass, and without glass. There is very little difference. The glass does not block very much of the light.

[fishytime]

So, why then do clams also look different through the glass then they do top down?.....I have one crocea that looks purple through the glass but is green top down.

[o.c.d.]

Iridophores have groups of cells that contain reflective platelets which act as light intensifiers. Depending on the orientation of the platelets, relative to incoming light, They can defect the light away or towards the clams eyes. That is also how the clam can react to a shadow of a hand passing over,or the difference of appearance form viewing at different angles.