plasma lighting

[cuz]

anyone here seen the new plasma light systems everyones working on?

http://www.reefbuilders.com/2009/06/16/aqua-illumination-plasma-lighting-closer-reality/#more-7779

[mark]

see the threads on the technology but first for over a tank, good link.

[cuz]

apparently with the light being a plasma source it can change spectrums as well?
now thats cool, pricey, but cool

[karazy]

mmmm...plasma

[fkshiu]

Awesome. I betcha lightsabres are just around the corner!

[Boomboy]

wow i didnt think one would light that entire tank

[fkshiu]

wow i didnt think one would light that entire tank

It's not lighting the entire tank.

[Zoaelite]

It's not lighting the entire tank.

Really...
Im pretty sure that things is lighting up the whole basement. 3 of those and anyone not wearing a welding mask and some SPF 300 sunscreen would be in for some major burns :wink:.
Lev

[subman]

It's not lighting the entire tank.

I agree it's not but with a better reflector It sure could! Pretty impressive stuff.


Where do I get a lightsaber?

[golf nut]

www.aquariumlightsabre.com



































JK

[banditpowdercoat]

LOL, Ya got me on that one..

[Boomboy]

It's not lighting the entire tank.
im sorry not the entire tank just about 80 percent of it, just not the very ends whoopy do. its only one you would need 3 MH for a tank that size.

[StirCrazy]

im sorry not the entire tank just about 80 percent of it, just not the very ends whoopy do. its only one you would need 3 MH for a tank that size.

don't forget there is no water in that tank so you get a lot of reflected light you normaly wouldn't. I would say two of thes lights would be perfect for that tank. unless you move it up higher, but then you get more light spill in the room, which I personaly hate but some don't mind.


Steve

[RuGlu6]

http://www.oceanathome.com/more-detail-on-lumix-lifi-reef-lighting/

More Detail on LUMIX LIFI Reef Lighting

One of the first things we really get whacked across the noggin with in the hobby is the initial sticker shock of an adequate lighting system. But once you see a good reef lighting system in person, you soon realize the money is usually pretty well spent and you begin to understand the excitement your fellow hobbyists feel when new advances are made in aquarium lighting. Just about a year ago, I posted a video from CNET on a new plasma light coming on the market from LUXIM and do believe I was one of the first to actually champion its development in the hobby. Well in just the last week, I’ve discovered that the plasma light is MUCH closer to reality than I originally thought!

[Chin_Lee]

I'm loving this idea of the plasma lighting but why is nobody posting up any PAR values????? I would think it would be the FIRST thing for any company or person to check into before they start investing into this technology.

Its almost like saying "We're looking at a new salt for the reef keeping industry that looks really promising but we're not sure what its made of or if the Ca/Mg/Alk levels are correct"

[Skimmin]

The write up in the link by RuGlu6 EXPLAINS that the lighting has not been tested on a tank full of water yet but once it is they will be PAR testing. This is very new technology for the aquarium business so it's gonna take time

[RuGlu6]

I am exited as well, less heat, more light, dimmable and long lived bulb.
What else can we ask for ?
Oh yes reliability and affordability right?

[Skimmin]

Here's a couple more links. one shows lumen output and HOLY CRAP! 6000 kelvin @ 20000 lumens! I'm no electrician but I believe that is alos @ 9.5amps which would be probably be pretty pricey to run. That being said the fixture being shown is for commercial use. http://www.lifi.com/pdfs/ProductBulletinLIFI-STA-40Series.pdf

http://www.luxim.com/

[banditpowdercoat]

Here's a couple more links. one shows lumen output and HOLY CRAP! 6000 kelvin @ 20000 lumens! I'm no electrician but I believe that is alos @ 9.5amps which would be probably be pretty pricey to run. That being said the fixture being shown is for commercial use. http://www.lifi.com/pdfs/ProductBulletinLIFI-STA-40Series.pdf

http://www.luxim.com/

that 9.5 Amps is at 28V DC. the wattage, is only 266 Watts. And it's Watt's that the elec company charges us for, not amps. At 120v thats only 2.2 amps draw, or the equivelant as 1 250W electronic MH

[Skimmin]

I understand its watts we get charged for but low amperage is better right? eg... 2 x 250watt halides @ 1.5amps ea is better(less power consumption) than 2 x 250watt halides @ 3 amps each. Although I didn't realize that would only be 2.2amps @ 120v. Thats SWEET!

[Chin_Lee]

The write up in the link by RuGlu6 EXPLAINS that the lighting has not been tested on a tank full of water yet but once it is they will be PAR testing. This is very new technology for the aquarium business so it's gonna take time

kinda my case and point - the first thing I would have done was test the par values even before attaching it to a lumenarc reflector or declaring it a new technology for the aquarium business. it would suck to have done all that work to find out that it has the par values of a incandescent light bulb I can hardly wait to hear what they actually are....

[subman]

I understand its watts we get charged for but low amperage is better right? eg... 2 x 250watt halides @ 1.5amps ea is better(less power consumption) than 2 x 250watt halides @ 3 amps each. Although I didn't realize that would only be 2.2amps @ 120v. Thats SWEET!

Low current is better only if the voltage is low as well!
The formula for watts is:
Watts=Voltage*Current (amps)
so wattage is a double edged sword high voltage low current or high current low voltage is the same wattage. That's why we pay in watts the power company gets you both ways!

[Skimmin]

lol IC. I figured there was some aspect to it I was missing. Thanks for the heads up

[banditpowdercoat]

Ya, apparently they have a 28v DC controller that runs them. So ys, the 120V current isnt that much, for what it produces

[fkshiu]

kinda my case and point - the first thing I would have done was test the par values even before attaching it to a lumenarc reflector or declaring it a new technology for the aquarium business. it would suck to have done all that work to find out that it has the par values of a incandescent light bulb I can hardly wait to hear what they actually are....

I agree. One video of a bright light and suddenly it's The Second Coming. Let's sit back and see how this new technology develops before hysteria creates impossible expectations. I seem to remember the same sort of "OMG! OMG! OMG!" syndrome when PFO came out with their LEDs and we all know what's happened since.

Don't get me wrong, I think plasma and LEDs are the future, but they're not quite ready for prime time it seems just yet. It's become sort of like the plug-in electric car of reefing.

[danny zubot]

Originally Posted by fkshiu http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=429033#post429033)
It's not lighting the entire tank.
I agree it's not but with a better reflector It sure could! Pretty impressive stuff.

What better reflector could there be? I thought Luminarc's were top shelf? I agree with Steve though, 2 would be better for that tank.

[RuGlu6]

I agree. One video of a bright light and suddenly it's The Second Coming. Let's sit back and see how this new technology develops before hysteria creates impossible expectations. I seem to remember the same sort of "OMG! OMG! OMG!" syndrome when PFO came out with their LEDs and we all know what's happened since.

Don't get me wrong, I think plasma and LEDs are the future, but they're not quite ready for prime time it seems just yet. It's become sort of like the plug-in electric car of reefing.

x2 ! wery well said.
I cheked their blog and all it is is the big hipe:
"oh so much has been done to get it where it is now"
" oh we are so very busy making this new miracle happen"

I wonder if the price of this new miracle will be on par with LED fixtures when LED's just came out?$2000-$3000?

[StirCrazy]

x2 ! wery well said.
I cheked their blog and all it is is the big hipe:
"oh so much has been done to get it where it is now"
" oh we are so very busy making this new miracle happen"

I wonder if the price of this new miracle will be on par with LED fixtures when LED's just came out?$2000-$3000?

yup, but wait two years and they will be close to the same price as a good MH set up :mrgreen:

If I was brining out something good I would price it as high as the market would bare untill sails slowed then have a bunch of good sales which would turn into the new pricing.. might as well make the "people who have to have the newest" pay :wink:

Steve

[subman]

Here is a link to the par readings on these lights:
http://www.vegasreefers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5628
interesting!

[i have crabs]

so about the same as a 150w mh... no thanks

[fkshiu]

so about the same as a 150w mh... no thanks

And it is clearly not lighting the whole tank :D

[RuGlu6]

Why are we NOT surprised? LOL:lol:

[subman]

here is another video about plasma:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTGsM9pplUs&feature=related

[RuGlu6]

is this still alive ?
May be for a Nano tank ?

[Delphinus]

I was reading this one the other day..
http://reefbuilders.com/2010/01/26/commercially-lifi-plasma-light-hobbyists-launching/

Looks sorta neat .. moving forward by the looks of things..

[danny zubot]

Very cool. I wonder what the pricing will be like when it finally hits the market?

[banditpowdercoat]

I want i want!