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Myka
08-26-2008, 02:29 AM
New info - DINOFLAGELLATES!

This guide would also be effective for diatoms and cyanobacteria, and pretty much any sw algae. In the case of cyanobacteria you would siphon out as much as possible on each water change (it sucks out easily) instead of pruning it. In the case of diatoms you don't need to disturb them. Whatever the case is (aside from diatoms), manually remove as much of the algae as possible during water changes. Remember that diatoms are the first sign of trouble, and will lead to more noxious types of algae if the problem isn't rectified.

Hair algae. HA. Hell's Angel? How about Hell's devil?! :D

I don't care if your tank is 3 months old or 3 years old. The possible causes are the same. New tank syndrome? That's diatoms. ONLY diatoms. Don't let others fool you. ;)

So, here's a guide to help you rid your tank of HA. Alrighty...let's start at the start.





What causes HA? Excess nutrients. Simple. Simple? Ya, not quite...where did those darn nutrients come from? Keep on reading...

The predominant nutrients that cause most of any algae issues are phosphate and nitrate. Go test your tank. Is phosphate reading zero? Nitrate probably is too...or at least very close. I bet they are! That's because you can only test the water column, and that dang HA is feeding off of it, and sucking it out of the water column so your test kits can't test for it. So don't be fooled!

Now, first thing first. Mow that stupid HA down!!! Turn off all the pumps in your tank, get out your siphon hose (use just the hose not gravel vac end), get out your scissors, and give the HA the shortest brush cut you can, and be sure to suck all the loose bits out too, eh? :D If you simply kill the HA, and it dies in the tank it will release the phosphate it has been eating right back into your tank...and voila! More HA. You can safely to do a 75% water change if you have enough water on hand and you end up taking that much out while you're trimming the algae. While doing water changes use your siphon hose to get into all the nooks and crannies of your rock to suck out as much detritus as possible. Suck out any detritus that has settled on the sand bed as well.

Use a turkey baster to blow the detritus off your rocks once or twice a day while you're battling HA. If you have so much HA that you aren't done brush cutting it by the time you've sucked out 75% of the water, then fill the tank back up, and carry on again in a day or two. Make sure you aerate the fresh saltwater for 24 hours before you use it and always match temperature and salinity during water changes, especially large ones.

Keep up on regular weekly water changes (10-25%). Give that HA a good brush cut every time you do a water change, and suck out all the detritus from the rocks and on the sand. If you're repetitively finding lots of detritus you need to rearrange your power heads, replace them with bigger power heads, or add another power head. Half the point of power heads if to keep the detritus from settling. Your filter/skimmer can't get the detritus if it's settled on your rocks or sand bed. Make sure there are no dead spots in your circulation for detritus to settle.

Oh...you're making fresh saltwater? Where are you getting your water from? The tap? Oi! Probably full of phosphate! The grocery store or water store? Check their inline TDS meter before buying, and be sure it is at least 5 ppm or less. Test your source water for phosphate and nitrate. If you're already buying from the grocery store, then you need to look at buying an RO unit. By the way, 1 ppm of phosphate is A LOT for a reef tank. Nooooo good. Phosphate should be undetectable both in the reef and the source water using a typical Salifert or Elos regular sensitivity kit.

The best option for a reef tank is to use a 4 stage (or better) RO/DI unit. When buying a RO/DI system buy a hand held or inline digital TDS meter and calibration fluid at the same time. Buy sodium chloride or potassium chloride calibration fluid that is similar to the TDS of your tap water ie 342 ppm. Distilled water is not suitable as calibration fluid. Use your TDS meter every time you use the RO/DI system. Your TDS should be zero. Not 1 ppm, not 2 ppm. ZERO. The first time it pops up to 1 you need to replace some cartridges, but that's a different subject!

Buying an RO/DI not feasible? Save your pennies...in my opinion, not having an RO/DI unit is like not putting salt into your reef. It just doesn't work too well. ;) Shop around, you can usually find them for $150-200, or keep your eye open for a used system for $100 or so! Just remember you may need to replace all the membranes ($$$) when you buy a used one, so a good deal can be not so good real quick!

What's the calcium, alkalinity, and magnesium at in your reef? Calcium should be 380-440 ppm, alkalinity 7-12 dKH, magnesium ~1350 ppm. These numbers are for 1.024-6 specific gravity. Low or unstable alkalinity encourages algae growth, as does low magnesium. And Calcium? Without calcium your corals and decorative coralline algae won't grow very well. Coralline algae helps to prevent nuisance algae growths. Be sure to test your water change water before you add it to the tank and add calcium, alkalinity, and magnesium if it needs it. Test your water change water at the proper salinity too, eh? :)

Ok, I think we have the water figured out. Now, what are YOU unintentionally doing to compromise the success of your reef? Is your tank overstocked? Most peoples' tanks are. Oh, and you're probably overfeeding. Or using poor feeding methods. Every time you feed your fish you are adding phosphate to your tank, so you want to minimize this as much as possible obviously! Cut your feeding back to HALF the amount, but be sure to feed once a day, no less, no more. Fish need to be fed everyday, their digestive systems are too small to get fed less, but cut down the amount you're giving them by half. They won't notice.

When you feed, don't just dump it all in and walk away. Add a little bit, then a bit more as they eat up the first bit. Make sure you never dump enough in there that it hits the sand. It should never hit the sand. If it does you're feeding too much. Have a Jawfish or Goby that doesn't come up for feedings? Use a turkey baster or some such thing to get the food directly down to him. He'll get used to it, but try not to show the other fish what you're doing with that turkey baster because they're a pain in the butt if they start following it down.

When you feed frozen food, all that juice is like a phosphate drink! Thaw frozen food in a little cup with RO water or tank water (not tap water). Once it has thawed pour the water down the drain before feeding. You don't want that thawed food juice in your tank. I use a tea strainer, works like a charm and cheap too.

So you have heard about those TLF PhosBan reactors I bet? Go get one. Period. You'll thank me later. ;) Now, you gotta be careful. If you suck too much phosphate out too quickly you will shock your corals, and they just may bleach on you. :( So, get yourself some good phosphate removing media (Bulk Reef Supply HC GFO, RowaPhos, etc)...be sure to get a media that is reddish brown, NOT white. The reddish brown stuff is often referred to as GFO (granular ferric oxide).

We're gonna be safe and assume there is a lot of phosphate in your water, so add about 1 mL GFO per gallon of water in your reef. In 3 weeks add another 1 mL/gal to the existing media. In another 3 weeks (6 weeks total) dispose of all the old media. Refill with 2 mL of fresh GFO per gallon and let it run for 6 weeks. Dispose of old GFO and refill with 3 mL GFO per gallon and let that run for 6 weeks. Usually 3 mL GFO per gallon is a good maintenance amount, but some people use significantly more. You will learn when you have to change it out because you will start to see some algae growing usually on the front glass is the first sign, and adjust the amount of GFO you use so that you can change it every 4-6 weeks.

Be sure to rinse all new GFO in RO/DI water until it runs clear. Alternatively, you can put it in the reactor without rinsing and catch the first gallon or so of dirty water that comes out when you plug it in. Don't let that dirty water get into your reef! GFO in reator = good, GFO in tank = bad. Adjust the reactor so that the very top bit of the GFO is "boiling" very gently, just a bit of movement. The more contact time the better it works.

Ok, so maybe you have a big refugium? Well, get off your butt, and fill that fuge with chaeto instead of rubble and sand! Use a powerhead to make the chaeto roll in the water. I call this a chaeto chamber in the sump instead of a refugium since refugiums tend to have rubble, sand, etc which tend to impede the rolling of the chaeto. The chaeto needs to roll freely for best results. Trim it when it gets too snug to roll. Light the crap out of it (try some clip on lamps with household spiral compact fluorescent bulbs around 55-6500K), and pray to your god for that chaeto to absorb all the phosphate from your water!!! :D Melev (http://www.melevsreef.com/fuge_bulb.html) has some great info on refugiums and bulb choices.

Now...those lights of yours. When's the last time you changed the bulbs? :D As a bulb ages the color spectrum changes. It goes from a bluer color to a redder color. Algae LOVES red. So, replace MH bulbs every 12 months, T5 8-12 months, VHO 12 months, PC 6 months. If you're running low Kelvin bulbs like 6500K or 10,000K try using bluer bulbs like 13,000-20,000K. The length of photoperiod doesn't affect HA very much, so don't worry about that too much, but typically your main lighting (MH or the full T5 fixture) will run for 6-8 hours per day with supplemental lighting (blues or actinics) running 12-14 hours per day.

To help this battle along I've got another idea. Boiling water. The age old friend. I mean who doesn't like some nice hot water? HA doesn't! Get that water boiling strong, grab a syringe, suck some boiling water up, run to your tank quickly, and spray a good jet of boiling water right in the midst of your HA. Be careful not to spray any of your corals...they don't like boiling water either. ;) Don't use a turkey baster because the water will spray back out (will do that with some syringes too so be careful!). To be successful you HAVE to get that boiling water right in the forest of HA QUICKLY. Oh, and be sure to siphon all the dead crap out the next day. Better yet, give your HA a brush cut before you boiling water it.

Ok, you've tried everything...it's been a few months, and you're still brush cutting that HA. Now it's time for the big guns. If you have the Bryopsis type of HA (it's feathery unlike Derbesia which is grassy or like a green cotton ball), then this will work. If you have Derbesia, this won't work. Get yourself some Kent brand liquid magnesium. The Kent brand works best. It's cheap, don't worry. ;) Pump up your magnesium to 1600 ppm. Don't worry it won't hurt the critters or the corals (not in my experience anyway, but I take no blame for you trying this...do at your own risk!!). Pump it up by no more than 100 ppm in a 24 hour period. You see...HA doesn't like magnesium to be all high like that n stuff. So, this could help you out. Once the HA goes away, just quit dosing it, and carry on with your regular water changes. The magnesium will slowly drop back down to where it should be.

A more advanced approach to algae control is to use a nutrient reduction system like ZEOvit, Fauna Marin, Prodibio, etc. If you decide to use these systems, according to the manufacturers you should not use GFO. Zeovit suggests you can use Coral Snow and ZEObak on their own to help with cyano outbreaks, but according to CanReefers (http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69853) this method isn't very effective. You would have better results using the full nutrient reduction systems.

A new product on the market is BioPellets available in several different brands. I have not personally used these, and I have read many mixed reviews. I'm not sold on this product yet, but await to see what future reviews it will get.

If it's persistent after all this, then maybe you need to consider "cooking" your live rock (see link below). It is definitely possible that your live rock is leaching phosphate and/or nitrate from die off at some point in its life, and the easiest way to battle that is to remove it all and cook it. This is extreme - last resort sort of thing though. Btw, cooking does not involve the stove! :D

Another option would be to consider vodka dosing. Check out this link for more information: http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/index.php (http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/index.php)



Dinoflagellates:

See post #5 in this thread for information on dinoflagellates. :)

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Related links:
A Guide - Live Rock; Curing & Cooking, and Tank Cycling (http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=44859)



Bryopsis:
http://reef.pantshead.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/4bryopsis-vi.jpg



Bryopsis:
http://www.com.univ-mrs.fr/IRD/atollpol/ecorecat/images/bryopsis.jpg



Derbesia sp. (regular hair algae)
http://www.reefland.com/rho/0905/images/derbesia.jpg


Dinoflagellates. Easily confused with diatoms. Notice the stringiness and bubbles:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b294/mantisfreak/Fish027-1.jpg



Diatoms:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1013/881527977_2c124e592e.jpg?v=0



Green cyanobacteria:
http://theaquariumwiki.com/images/thumb/4/4c/Cyanobacteria1.jpg/250px-Cyanobacteria1.jpg



Red cyanobacteria:
http://www.fishlore.com/aquariummagazine/apr08/images/cyanobacteria-lg.jpg

fishytime
08-26-2008, 03:18 AM
Bravo! Well done. Someone nominate this women For a "sticky".

j83
08-26-2008, 03:39 AM
Control P!

PoonTang
08-26-2008, 05:48 AM
Excellent writeup. I vote for a sticky too
Now can you do one for diatoms????

Myka
08-26-2008, 05:52 AM
Since I am limited to 15,000 characters per post I have to continue with Dinoflagellates here.

Dinoflagellates:

Dinoflagellates can be difficult to identify because they come in many colors. Generally, the description would be "snotty" or "gooey". They usually have air bubbles in them, which is probably the best stab at an ID you can take.

In the life Kingdoms, dinoflagellates don't fall into any of the four typical Kingdoms (animal, plant, fungi, bacteria), they are of a weird Kingdom called Protist. This group isn't well defined, and I would have a tough time describing. There are many different types of dinos from parasitic to symbiotic. In fact, zooxanthallae are a type of dino. If you live on the coast you have probably heard of "Red Tide" which refers to a time when dinos have infected the areas shellfish and made them toxic to eat.

So, you have Dinos. Most of the time in our reefs the nuisance dinos we get feed off nutrients and light and most of them release toxins as they reproduce to impede or kill corals and invertebrates. If you have dinos you should be sure to use lots of carbon to help absorb these toxins.

Using the methods described above to lower nutrients is a good place to start - paying particular attention to phosphate. GFO will be a powerful opponent to the dinos. Siphoning of the dinos everyday will also help, as well as adding a filter sock (of the smallest micron you can find) to catch the little bits that come off. Since dinos are also fairly dependent on light you can reduce the photoperiod or even leave the lights off on FO or FOWLR tanks.

If you are really having trouble getting rid of the dinos you can try elevating the pH. It seems that some people have had success battling dinos this way, but not all have. The tactic is to raise pH to 8.4-8.6 and hold it there until the dinos recede. Even if they do recede it may or may not be a cure. You can raise pH by using commercially available pH buffers like "pH Up" or by using kalkwasser. Be careful to raise pH slowly, and test frequently to make sure you don't go too high as a pH greater than 8.6 will often cause stress to your tank's inhabitants.

It will be tough to keep pH high with chemicals when it wants to naturally fall lower. You will have to test a few times per day, and probably dose a few times per day or more to keep the pH steadily elevated. I suggest the use of a calibrated digital pH meter since test kits are notoriously inaccurate and difficult to use for this repeated application. This method can take several weeks to work and is usually a real pain in the butt to do which is why I suggest nutrient reduction first. Some people luck out, and have a real easy time getting rid of the dinos with an elevated pH though, so it's worth a try if all else fails!



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Original thread:

Thanks for the comments everyone. :)

Now can you do one for diatoms????

It would be pretty much the same. Diatoms should flush themselves out on their own though if it's a new setup. If it's an older setup, then you need to look at your nutrients. Diatoms in an older setup are your first indicator that something is a miss. Fix it before it turns into something bigger. In a nano tank is could be something as simple as a large snail dying without you noticing to scoop it out. Or it could be your first sign of overfeeding. Or it could be a sign that you haven't been checking your source water. Anything above could lead to diatoms too. This guide is pretty good for HA, diatoms, and cyanobacteria.

However, I am no master of the dratted Valonia... *grumble* I'm very bitter about this. :mad:

mseepman
08-26-2008, 05:55 AM
Myka, always a joy to read what you have to say! Another vote for a sticky!!:mrgreen:

Oceanic
08-26-2008, 06:16 AM
Excellent read. Thanks! :mrgreen:

WhoPoopWrasse
08-26-2008, 01:24 PM
I agree with EVERYTHING Myka wrote about HA and how to get rid of it.... except the snipping and shaving. I'm way too lazy for that! :lol:

I had HA all over my tank, it was horrible, ugly, annoying, everywhere.
My solution was a bit more drastic though but I had overnight success!
I have a 90 gallon tank so I did a 24g W/C. I kept all the old water. I put 12g into two 6 gallon buckets. Then I had 2 -24g rubbermaids with the rest of the water divided between them. I also had a 6g bucket of new water.

What I did was I gathered a bunch of different brushes, nail brush, toothbrush etc...
Then I took out the coral and placed them in one of the rubbermaids. Then I took out every affected rock (HA is usually only on exposed surfaces so the rocks under the top layer were fine) and brushed it vigorously under water in one of the 6g buckets with old water, then I swished it around, then I swished it in the second 6g bucket and then finally in the 6g bucket of clean water, then placed it in the second rubbermaid. Repeat this until you've done all the affected rocks.
Rebuild the tank and voila!
Your tank will be cloudy for a day or so but if you control the rest of the problems, (nittrate, phosphate etc...) it will be the end of the HA!
It's been at least 6 months since I did this and still no sign of HA!:mrgreen:

Myka
08-26-2008, 03:35 PM
Thanks for the comments guys! Now, when newbies ask about algae issues we can direct them here instead of writing everything out again and again. Or as has been the case lately, people with algae issues aren't receiving much for replies.

Your tank will be cloudy for a day or so but if you control the rest of the problems, (nittrate, phosphate etc...) it will be the end of the HA!

I'm surprised your approach worked for you as most people are unable to eliminate the cause of the HA so quickly. Often it's simple impossible. I'm glad it worked for you though! Another idea for those who are at the end of their rope! :D

WhoPoopWrasse
08-26-2008, 03:46 PM
I guess I was lucky but maybe all the brushes and scrubbing like crazy lady had alot to do with it.
Also I forgot to mention that most of the rocks were put back upside down. Also some of the rocks got second scrubbing in the second bucket because the water was so green/brown and fuzzy that I couldn't see if there was more to take off so once in the second bucket, if I saw more hairy patches, it would get another once over and by the time they got to the clean water bucket they were perfect.

Myka
08-26-2008, 03:56 PM
Woohoo!! My first sticky on this forum! :D

I added some info near the top of the Guide about detritus...thanks to kwirky for (unintentionally) reminding me! :D I will likely add more and more to this Guide as I remember little bits and pieces. :)

Myka
11-08-2010, 04:48 PM
Updated. :)

daniella3d
11-08-2010, 04:57 PM
congratulations! but what about dino? I guess it should be included as well.

Updated. :)

Myka
11-08-2010, 05:32 PM
Dinos are not an algae (neither is cyano), and the treatment isn't the same as the rest (cyano is treated like algae). This guide was originally for hair algae at a time when there seemed to be TONS of people having hair algae issues, so it was easier to write this than answer the same question day after day. :p I added cyano and diatoms to the list simply because they are treated the same way as hair algae.

I could add a section for dinos. That's easy enough. I don't have time to do that today, but hopefully tomorrow. I will have to change the title of the thread! :)

reefwars
11-08-2010, 05:46 PM
cyano is a bacteria right??


in what catagory would dinoflagellate be classified??

dinoflagellate:any of numerous one-celled aquatic organisms bearing two dissimilar flagellae and having characteristics of both plants and animals. Most are microscopic and marine. Botanists place them in the algal division Pyrrophyta, and zoologists claim them as members of the protozoan order Dinoflagellida. Dinoflagellates range in size from about 5 to 2,000 micrometres (0.0002 to 0.08 inch). Nutrition among dinoflagellates is plantlike, animal-like, or mixed; some species are parasitic or commensal. About one-half of the species are photosynthetic, but even among these many are also predatory.


i always put them in the same class as algae but i knew cyano wasnt but i didnt know that dino's werent hummmlearn something new everyday:)

ive always been under the impression that when dino's takeover your tank its very hard to get rid of , my friend last year had his tank completely run with it and it nearly broke him down i think he has taken down his tank since then and never did get rid of it completely:) ive been lucky and have not had to deal with it yet...knock on wood lol:)

daniella3d
11-08-2010, 06:51 PM
I know it's a dinoflagellates but it should be in the same topic as algae as it is a common problem with similar effects as algae and often confused for algae. I mean there should be some inclusion in a sticy threat for dino and cyano as well, otherwise if the person's problem is not an algae, he or she will be on a dead end with this thread. Or maybe another new thread for dino and cyano but that would be more confusing I would think since most people put all of these in the same bag.

Just my thoughts.

Reefwars: From what I read there are a few strains of dino and some react really bad to high PH and some are not affected. I got rid of mine in 3 days :) gone for 4 months now, never saw it again. Honestly it is easy to treat that way, does not affect the other creatures in the aquarium if done slowly and a PH of 8.4 is not that drastic, but it was enough for me. You might want to tell your friend to try that and see if it work for him. I am 100% positive on the ID on mine because I have a microscope and use it to ID everything I can before treating. Mine looked like little grain of corn. Under the microscope, the cyano look very very much like a hair algae!



Dinos are not an algae (neither is cyano), and the treatment isn't the same as the rest (cyano is treated like algae). This guide was originally for hair algae at a time when there seemed to be TONS of people having hair algae issues, so it was easier to write this than answer the same question day after day. :p I added cyano and diatoms to the list simply because they are treated the same way as hair algae.

I could add a section for dinos. That's easy enough. I don't have time to do that today, but hopefully tomorrow. I will have to change the title of the thread! :)

reefwars
11-08-2010, 07:40 PM
quote:

Reefwars: From what I read there are a few strains of dino and some react really bad to high PH and some are not affected. I got rid of mine in 3 days :) gone for 4 months now, never saw it again. Honestly it is easy to treat that way, does not affect the other creatures in the aquarium if done slowly and a PH of 8.4 is not that drastic, but it was enough for me. You might want to tell your friend to try that and see if it work for him. I am 100% positive on the ID on mine because I have a microscope and use it to ID everything I can before treating. Mine looked like little grain of corn. Under the microscope, the cyano look very very much like a hair algae![/quote]


i think he has sold his tank now this was last year :)

i really need to invest in a microscope , i was never that good at biology but am finding alot of it very interesting now adays, i was always a fish person but since starting reeftanks i wish i had of paid better attention in school lol :)

and i agree that a different thread would probably confuse people and when someone has these problems they usually look in the algae problems catagory:)

i find all this so fasinating now its a shame i didnt when i was younger:):)

reefwars
11-08-2010, 07:42 PM
I know it's a dinoflagellates but it should be in the same topic as algae as it is a common problem with similar effects as algae and often confused for algae. I mean there should be some inclusion in a sticy threat for dino and cyano as well, otherwise if the person's problem is not an algae, he or she will be on a dead end with this thread. Or maybe another new thread for dino and cyano but that would be more confusing I would think since most people put all of these in the same bag.

Just my thoughts.

Reefwars: From what I read there are a few strains of dino and some react really bad to high PH and some are not affected. I got rid of mine in 3 days :) gone for 4 months now, never saw it again. Honestly it is easy to treat that way, does not affect the other creatures in the aquarium if done slowly and a PH of 8.4 is not that drastic, but it was enough for me. You might want to tell your friend to try that and see if it work for him. I am 100% positive on the ID on mine because I have a microscope and use it to ID everything I can before treating. Mine looked like little grain of corn. Under the microscope, the cyano look very very much like a hair algae!


just out of curiosity where i have never had to treat for dino's do you raise the ph during the night when its low? or do you just gradually raise it during the day and i know it has to be down slowly to prevent ph shock:) thans:):)

daniella3d
11-08-2010, 09:39 PM
with that stuff it raise the ph during the day. At least that's what I did and only to 8.4 and amazingly it did the job fast and for good.

I am not sure if this stuff was able to keep the ph at 8.4 at night but at night I think the dino does not multiply. I also used a little hang on tank Marinland filter with a micron cartridge. That was to catch any free swimming dino.

I did not need to use a lot of that stuff to raise my ph in my 75 gallons. I was going to raise it to 8.5 but when I saw the dino disapearing I just kept the ph at that.


just out of curiosity where i have never had to treat for dino's do you raise the ph during the night when its low? or do you just gradually raise it during the day and i know it has to be down slowly to prevent ph shock:) thans:):)

Myka
11-09-2010, 11:47 AM
In the life Kingdoms, dinoflagellates don't fall into any of the four typical Kingdoms (animal, plant, fungi, bacteria), they are of a weird Kingdom called Protist. This group isn't well defined, and I would have a tough time describing. There are many different types of dinos from parasitic to symbiotic. In fact, zooxanthallae are a type of dino. Most of the time in our reefs the nuisance dinos we get feed off nutrients and light and most of them release toxins as they reproduce to impede or kill corals and invertebrates.

Essentially, dinos are treated like hair algae, diatoms, and cyano primarily (but not solely) by nutrient reduction. Elevating pH is another stab to take at it, but can be risky and often ends up with dinos coming back when the pH is again lowered if the nutrient issue hasn't been resolved.

I know it's a dinoflagellates but it should be in the same topic as algae as it is a common problem with similar effects as algae and often confused for algae. I mean there should be some inclusion in a sticy threat for dino and cyano as well, otherwise if the person's problem is not an algae, he or she will be on a dead end with this thread.

I already explained that the thread was originally just "How to get rid of Hair Algae", but many people would ask "What about X?" So I would add a tid bit here and there. I also already explained that I will include more details about dinos and cyano if you would like (even though the treatment is essentially the same as hair algae). So I'm not sure what you're arguing here...?? Have some patience I will add more in the next while.

daniella3d
11-09-2010, 02:04 PM
Raising the PH with mecanical filtration with one micro cartridge was all I did to get rid of mine 100% and it never came back.

No nutriment reduction was done since I had a few non-photosynthetic gorgonian in my tank that required regular feeding.

I don,t think that reducing the nutriment (dissolved organic or nitrates, phosphates) is enough to get rid of dinoflagellates alone.

Why is elevating the PH to 8.4 or 8.5 be risky? It's only a few degree off the regular PH which is 8.3?



In the life Kingdoms, dinoflagellates don't fall into any of the four typical Kingdoms (animal, plant, fungi, bacteria), they are of a weird Kingdom called Protist. This group isn't well defined, and I would have a tough time describing. There are many different types of dinos from parasitic to symbiotic. In fact, zooxanthallae are a type of dino. Most of the time in our reefs the nuisance dinos we get feed off nutrients and light and most of them release toxins as they reproduce to impede or kill corals and invertebrates.

Essentially, dinos are treated like hair algae, diatoms, and cyano primarily (but not solely) by nutrient reduction. Elevating pH is another stab to take at it, but can be risky and often ends up with dinos coming back when the pH is again lowered if the nutrient issue hasn't been resolved.



I already explained that the thread was originally just "How to get rid of Hair Algae", but many people would ask "What about X?" So I would add a tid bit here and there. I also already explained that I will include more details about dinos and cyano if you would like (even though the treatment is essentially the same as hair algae). So I'm not sure what you're arguing here...?? Have some patience I will add more in the next while.

Myka
11-18-2010, 02:01 AM
I added dinos Daniella, not much more info than we already discussed in our many posts here though. We covered a lot of it! :p

Harpo
03-18-2011, 02:37 AM
Thank you for all the great tips! This has been a constant battle since one of my large fish died! :biggrin:

dsaundry
03-18-2011, 05:28 AM
Great read Myka. You deserved a sticky for this one. Nice to see some treatments that I wasn't aware of... once again..GREAT READ!:biggrin: