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bv_reefer
05-25-2008, 08:06 PM
for a whole year now i've been using carib-sea purple up to buffer my calcium. i'm wondering if this is enough or if i should supplement with another supplement specifically for calcium, such as kent liquid reactor or tech CB 2-part?

Keri
05-25-2008, 08:08 PM
oops, nm (pls delete)

Myka
05-25-2008, 08:17 PM
for a whole year now i've been using carib-sea purple up to buffer my calcium. i'm wondering if this is enough or if i should supplement with another supplement specifically for calcium, such as kent liquid reactor or tech CB 2-part?

Have you been testing your calcium levels with a test kit? If so, what are the readings?

If not, you need to get a test kit ASAP. Adding chemicals to your tank without testing what the levels are actually at can be very dangerous to your reef.

bv_reefer
05-25-2008, 08:34 PM
o yes i've been testing calcium since day 1, calciums currently at 380, i'm just wondering if it can serve for long term use like i've been using it?

mark
05-25-2008, 08:36 PM
If you're happy with the level, growth in the tank, ease of dosing, why change?

Myka
05-25-2008, 08:53 PM
o yes i've been testing calcium since day 1, calciums currently at 380, i'm just wondering if it can serve for long term use like i've been using it?

Your calcium is a tad low, especially for an SPS tank. The majority of reef keepers like to keep it in the 400-430 range, but almost always above 400. Personally, I don't know everything that is in Purple Up (they don't list it, it's a secret), so I would not trust it to be the only calcium source. I also don't believe Purple Up does anything for coralline growth IMHO. If you want to continue using it though, by all means go ahead, but I would suggest that you supplement mostly with a high quality calcium supplement, and lower the usage of the Purple Up. For smaller tanks, I like to use Kent Liquid Calcium or Kent Turbo Calcium. A two part solution would be an even wiser idea, I like TLF C-Balance. :)

i have crabs
05-25-2008, 09:15 PM
switching to aragamilk will give you more calcium than purple up with most of the same benifits i believe

ShrimSkin
05-25-2008, 11:58 PM
On the bottle of Purple up I think it tells you to maintain calcium levels to a particlar number which I do not recall. But as stated above you wanna be over 400, I think going with a calcium supplement is a good idea. I just switeched to Tailored Aquatics Calcium and DKH and so far I am very pleased with the results. I do also add Purple Up on the days I dose calcium and its been working real well for coraline and my SPS.

mark
05-26-2008, 12:35 AM
A Ca of 380ppm is on the low side but wouldn't say unacceptable.

NSW (http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/index.php)

bv_reefer
05-26-2008, 03:50 AM
A Ca of 380ppm is on the low side but wouldn't say unacceptable.

NSW (http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/index.php)

i agree 380 is a bit on the lower side i'm slowly bringing it up to the 400's, mark the reason i started thinking about changing is i'm finding that it's hard to get it too the mid 400's without it falling quickly back down to the 380's, is this because of my alkalinity level? (8 dkH )

Myka
05-26-2008, 03:53 AM
i'm finding that it's hard to get it too the mid 400's without it falling quickly back down to the 380's, is this because of my alkalinity level?

It could be because of Alkalinity or Magnesium. Can you tell us your readings for everything that you test for?

bv_reefer
05-26-2008, 03:59 AM
It could be because of Alkalinity or Magnesium. Can you tell us your readings for everything that you test for?
calcium is now 380 and magnesium under 1100 last time i checked

mark
05-26-2008, 04:09 AM
had problem before as well trying to get Ca with low Mg. It goes at about 3:1 ratio.

Oscar
05-26-2008, 05:02 AM
Personally, I don't know everything that is in Purple Up (they don't list it, it's a secret), so I would not trust it to be the only calcium source. I also don't believe Purple Up does anything for coralline growth IMHO.

OK so what is the supposed benefit of Purple Up? I have been using it since I started my tank 2 months ago, primarily to encourage coraline alagae. I am using Kent salt and my clacium is regularly testing at 500 although my Mg is low.

Is there any benefit to Purple Up at that level of calcium? It tests at that same level with a fresh batch of SW as it prepares for a water change.

Pan
05-26-2008, 05:14 AM
OK so what is the supposed benefit of Purple Up? I have been using it since I started my tank 2 months ago, primarily to encourage coraline alagae. I am using Kent salt and my clacium is regularly testing at 500 although my Mg is low.

Is there any benefit to Purple Up at that level of calcium? It tests at that same level with a fresh batch of SW as it prepares for a water change.
Purple up is nothing more than a hugely overpriced calcium supplement, nothing more nothing less. You pay for packaging in a neat little bottle. It is a rip off for what you are getting. That being said it does work, but it costs a lot compared to other supplements/ways of doing things. It doesn't build coraline algae at all, good water parameters, a source or coraline to begin with build coralline algae. Even strong metal halides deter coralline...it lt thrives in a bit darker...Most of my tanks that had super corraline growth, i mean inches think were all on the undersides of rock, and all grew in the tanks that had the most vho actinics. It's present everywhere but thrices in the darker areas..and yes all colors. the more shade the darker/more intese the color (whatever it was). Compare calcium supplements, and buy the cheapest/least hassle free way for YOU do dose your aquarium. Regardless of what anyone else says. If it's convienent for you but not the way others do it, who cares. But you are paying way to much for what it does...way way to much.

bv_reefer
05-26-2008, 05:19 AM
OK so what is the supposed benefit of Purple Up? I have been using it since I started my tank 2 months ago, primarily to encourage coraline alagae. I am using Kent salt and my clacium is regularly testing at 500 although my Mg is low.

Is there any benefit to Purple Up at that level of calcium? It tests at that same level with a fresh batch of SW as it prepares for a water change.
honestly as far as corraline is concerned, theres nothing better, 2 weeks after i took my sand out and went bare bottom my bottom pane was already mostly dotted all over with purples and pinks, it's just not proving to hold it's buffering capability very well (in my case at least ), as for you're calcium level of 500, that seems overkill, what test kit are you using? let it slowly drop down thru precipitation

bv_reefer
05-26-2008, 05:27 AM
Purple up is nothing more than a hugely overpriced calcium supplement, nothing more nothing less. You pay for packaging in a neat little bottle. It is a rip off for what you are getting. That being said it does work, but it costs a lot compared to other supplements/ways of doing things. It doesn't build coraline algae at all, good water parameters, a source or coraline to begin with build coralline algae. Even strong metal halides deter coralline...it lt thrives in a bit darker...Most of my tanks that had super corraline growth, i mean inches think were all on the undersides of rock, and all grew in the tanks that had the most vho actinics. It's present everywhere but thrices in the darker areas..and yes all colors. the more shade the darker/more intese the color (whatever it was). Compare calcium supplements, and buy the cheapest/least hassle free way for YOU do dose your aquarium. Regardless of what anyone else says. If it's convienent for you but not the way others do it, who cares. But you are paying way to much for what it does...way way to much.
are you really finding that little use out of it as a coraline enhancer? i've found that my tank's getting much faster corraline growth than per say people who are using 2-part/1-part like liquid reactor, like mik_101's tank, much slower coralline growth. then again you might have a point, i am maintaining my alkalinity and calcium in order. interesting how you found that you're dimmer tanks are getting quickewr corraline growth, the tops of all my rock are covered and bottoms where it's dark are bare :neutral:

Pan
05-26-2008, 05:41 AM
are you really finding that little use out of it as a coraline enhancer? i've found that my tank's getting much faster corraline growth than per say people who are using 2-part/1-part like liquid reactor, like mik_101's tank, much slower coralline growth. then again you might have a point, i am maintaining my alkalinity and calcium in order. interesting how you found that you're dimmer tanks are getting quickewr corraline growth, the tops of all my rock are covered and bottoms where it's dark are bare :neutral:
I'm sorry but the benefit of purple up over normal stable calcium levels, is i'm sorry to say...and mean this with no ill will...all in your head.

I have thick coraline everywhere, the thickest though was always out of direct light....and by thick i mean it looked like the LR was melting off coraline..some places i could have chiseled 3 inches in and would still be at coraline...mind you that was on a tank that had flourished for years and years...coraline doesn't walways seem to grow in everyones tanks either...some immaculate tanks seem to have none, but the above was my opinion and some of the general consesus on coraline i have read over the years. But everyones tank is a completely different environment compared to even the tank in the nxt room. But with regards to purple up it is not snake oil, just overpriced. There are quite a few different types of coraline i've noticed over the years...although if they are different in any other way than the growth pattern they show i'm not sure.

marie
05-26-2008, 06:06 AM
One has to remember that coraline is an algae and requires the same conditions to grow that any other algae needs...nutrients and light. It just happens to be more desirable then any other algae and is therefore a good way to soak up nutrients in a tank.



And corraline not liking bright light is just a myth. It won't be the nice dark purples and reds but the pink stuff grows like gangbusters only 6" under a 250w 10K DE MH


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/mariesnell/coralline002.jpg


and just in case there are people out there that don't know it yet...I HATE coraline algae

PzReefer
05-26-2008, 06:36 AM
I agree also that the magnesium levels are likely your cause of lower calcium levels. If you use a magnesium supplement like kents or seachem you could raise the Mg levels by about 50 ppm every couple of days over a week or so, to about 1400-1450 ppm then target your Ca at your desired level with a Ca supplement at about an increase of 15 ppm per couple of days after that.

My levels are as follows 1450 ppm Mg 440 Ca and Alk is 9.2 dKH.

I use a Calcium reactor with reef bones and Zeomag with an effluent drip rate of 80 ml/min and ph of 6.6 I have not added any other supplement for these three for over three months just check drip rates and monitor alk. check CA and MG once a month.

Pz

bv_reefer
05-26-2008, 06:38 AM
i know exactly what you meen marie, the biggest/thickest clump i got is barely 6'' away from a 400 watt mh, plating and growing away every day, it's competing with space with me xenia, should be interesting! ( in a slow, boring, & time-consuming sort of way :lol: )

bv_reefer
05-26-2008, 06:45 AM
I agree also that the magnesium levels are likely your cause of lower calcium levels. If you use a magnesium supplement like kents or seachem you could raise the Mg levels by about 50 ppm every couple of days over a week or so, to about 1400-1450 ppm then target your Ca at your desired level with a Ca supplement at about an increase of 15 ppm per couple of days after that.

My levels are as follows 1450 ppm Mg 440 Ca and Alk is 9.2 dKH.

I use a Calcium reactor with reef bones and Zeomag with an effluent drip rate of 80 ml/min and ph of 6.6 I have not added any other supplement for these three for over three months just check drip rates and monitor alk. check CA and MG once a month.

Pz thats exactly the parameters i'm going for, looks like i might have to balance out other parameters like my alkalinity before worrying about my calcium. although my tanks not big enough to go into a Calc.reactor i think i'm gonna start another calcium buffer in liu with my purple-up in my top-off water.

thanks again for all the comments everyone-

Oscar
05-26-2008, 12:44 PM
as for you're calcium level of 500, that seems overkill, what test kit are you using? let it slowly drop down thru precipitation

I am using Kent salt and Salifert test kit. That is testing my replacement water just before a water change. The tank water was at 525 the same day.

Myka
05-26-2008, 03:22 PM
calcium is now 380 and magnesium under 1100 last time i checked

Is that all you test for? You don't test pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, Phosphate, Alkalinity, etc?

Your magnesium should be around 1350. Think of Mg as the fulcrum on a teeter totter. You can't keep alkalinity and calcium up if your magnesium is very low. In your case, it is very low. Try to aim for Calcium 400-430, Alk 8-10, Mg 1350-1400. pH should be 8.0-8.4, and Am, nitrite, nitrate, and phos all 0. Not close to zero, but AT zero. :)

Pan
05-26-2008, 04:08 PM
One has to remember that coraline is an algae and requires the same conditions to grow that any other algae needs...nutrients and light. It just happens to be more desirable then any other algae and is therefore a good way to soak up nutrients in a tank.



And corraline not liking bright light is just a myth. It won't be the nice dark purples and reds but the pink stuff grows like gangbusters only 6" under a 250w 10K DE MH


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/mariesnell/coralline002.jpg


and just in case there are people out there that don't know it yet...I HATE coraline algae
sigh..

marie
05-26-2008, 04:28 PM
sigh..

Not sure why you feel a need to sigh, I wasn't trying to step on anyones toes. I was just pointing out to bv_reefer that maybe excess nutrients is the reason why he is getting better coraline growth then mik_101, not because he is using purple up.

And I really do find coraline to be as invasive as some of the "pest algaes" out there. I also realize i need to manage the nutrient levels in my tank better :mrgreen:

Oscar
05-26-2008, 04:53 PM
Is that all you test for? You don't test pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, Phosphate, Alkalinity, etc?

Your magnesium should be around 1350. Think of Mg as the fulcrum on a teeter totter. You can't keep alkalinity and calcium up if your magnesium is very low. In your case, it is very low. Try to aim for Calcium 400-430, Alk 8-10, Mg 1350-1400. pH should be 8.0-8.4, and Am, nitrite, nitrate, and phos all 0. Not close to zero, but AT zero. :)

I am testing for all of these too. As some others have reported there was a batch of Kent that had some weird parameters. Calcium is continuously high, while Mg is low. So I have recently been dosing to get the Mg up.

My Alk has been too low. So before dosing for alk I think I am going to hold off on the purple for a few weeks to see what happens.

Pan
05-26-2008, 05:15 PM
Not sure why you feel a need to sigh, I wasn't trying to step on anyones toes. I was just pointing out to bv_reefer that maybe excess nutrients is the reason why he is getting better coraline growth then mik_101, not because he is using purple up.

And I really do find coraline to be as invasive as some of the "pest algaes" out there. I also realize i need to manage the nutrient levels in my tank better :mrgreen:
I am not fond of my coraline algae either :) thats why i sighed :) I like it on the rocks but never stays there. :) And yes i would agree excess nutrients will spur all forms of algae...among other things...as well all know :(

Pan
05-26-2008, 05:18 PM
I am testing for all of these too. As some others have reported there was a batch of Kent that had some weird parameters. Calcium is continuously high, while Mg is low. So I have recently been dosing to get the Mg up.

My Alk has been too low. So before dosing for alk I think I am going to hold off on the purple for a few weeks to see what happens.
Honestly i find it easier to mix new water and adjust to what i want it to be, then add to tank. I realize you need to get wats in there already up to snuff so to speak, but make the water what you want before you put it in. Yes there have been a few instances with bad salt from kent...as well as seachem, instant ocean..i'm sure others :) which is why ...in my opinion test every batch of water before it goes in. Albiet contaiments we cannot test for can harm...but err on the side of caution :)

bv_reefer
05-27-2008, 01:09 AM
Is that all you test for? You don't test pH, Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, Phosphate, Alkalinity, etc?

Your magnesium should be around 1350. Think of Mg as the fulcrum on a teeter totter. You can't keep alkalinity and calcium up if your magnesium is very low. In your case, it is very low. Try to aim for Calcium 400-430, Alk 8-10, Mg 1350-1400. pH should be 8.0-8.4, and Am, nitrite, nitrate, and phos all 0. Not close to zero, but AT zero. :)
no no i test for all those, just thought i'd point out the important ones first..

pH 8.3 ; ammonia undetectable ; nitrite 0.25 ; nitrate 0 ; alkalinity as mentioned 8 dKH ; phosphate 0

i'll start dosing some form of magnesium in that case, think kent tech-m will do it, i've been relying on my salt mix (seachem reef salt) as a constant source for magnesium!

Oscar
05-27-2008, 01:43 AM
Honestly i find it easier to mix new water and adjust to what i want it to be, then add to tank. I realize you need to get wats in there already up to snuff so to speak, but make the water what you want before you put it in. Yes there have been a few instances with bad salt from kent...as well as seachem, instant ocean..i'm sure others :) which is why ...in my opinion test every batch of water before it goes in. Albiet contaiments we cannot test for can harm...but err on the side of caution :)

I had not thought of that technique, preping your SW before adding to the tank. That's no different than getting the replacement water to the correct empearature and salinity before adding to the tank. That would work once I get the tank parameters to the range they should be at.

Pan
05-27-2008, 01:49 AM
I had not thought of that technique, preping your SW before adding to the tank. That's no different than getting the replacement water to the correct empearature and salinity before adding to the tank. That would work once I get the tank parameters to the range they should be at.
Saves you from dosing a tank...with a high load of sps you would need to dose, unless of course you did regular water changes....which i prefer anyways. some dosing will likely be required but not as much...to very little. I'm still dialing the new tank in on everythiing, but the last one needed no dosing at all...20 gallon weekly changes did it for me. From the start though i made sure all my water had levels i wanted...then it was easy to add/change as the system used more or less or what have you.

bv_reefer
05-27-2008, 01:51 AM
Not sure why you feel a need to sigh, I wasn't trying to step on anyones toes. I was just pointing out to bv_reefer that maybe excess nutrients is the reason why he is getting better coraline growth then mik_101, not because he is using purple up.

And I really do find coraline to be as invasive as some of the "pest algaes" out there. I also realize i need to manage the nutrient levels in my tank better :mrgreen:
thats true marie my nutrient levels are higher than his, thats ok the rc80 will take care of that next week :mrgreen: by the way did you see way more clarity in you're water column when you switched over to the bubble king? i actually can't wait to get the rc in there!

marie
05-27-2008, 02:22 AM
thats true marie my nutrient levels are higher than his, thats ok the rc80 will take care of that next week :mrgreen: by the way did you see way more clarity in you're water column when you switched over to the bubble king? i actually can't wait to get the rc in there!
The difference in water clarity was apparent within 24 hrs and its been getting better and better ever since. I love my BubbleKing :lol:

I think you'll find your lights are even bluer then you thought once you get all the yellow out of the water column :mrgreen:

bv_reefer
05-27-2008, 04:21 AM
you're not running external are you? think thats the way i'm gonna go, too nice to be in-sump :lol:....but i've always wondered usually a ''wet'' skim means light coffee colored, but what's considered skimming wet on a Bubble King? light black?:lol:

Myka
05-27-2008, 05:22 AM
no no i test for all those, just thought i'd point out the important ones first..

pH 8.3 ; ammonia undetectable ; nitrite 0.25 ; nitrate 0 ; alkalinity as mentioned 8 dKH ; phosphate 0

i'll start dosing some form of magnesium in that case, think kent tech-m will do it, i've been relying on my salt mix (seachem reef salt) as a constant source for magnesium!

You shouldn't have ANY nitrites show up in your tank once your tank has cycled. This shows there are some other problems going on with your tank (which likely have nothing to do with your cal, alk, or mg), but I am suspicious that you would have nitrites but no nitrates. I would get an LFS to test your water for you to double check the numbers, and make sure your kits are accurate.

You can safely raise your magnesium 100 ppm per day with no troubles. The Kent Tech-M product is Magnesium sulfate, which is epsom salt, and not the best choice as a single source of magnesium. SeaChem Magnesium is a blend of Magnesium chloride and Magnesium sulfate and is a better product imo.

I'm not familiar with the SeaChem salt, when you mix up a batch of salt and let it mix for 24 hours what salinity do you mix it to? What does the cal/alk/mg test at? If they are off to begin with, then you need to buff up your waterchange water before you even use it. I use Instant Ocean salt, and I have to add a bit of calcium, and quite a bit of magnesium to get it to the proper levels before I use it.

I am testing for all of these too. As some others have reported there was a batch of Kent that had some weird parameters. Calcium is continuously high, while Mg is low. So I have recently been dosing to get the Mg up.

My Alk has been too low. So before dosing for alk I think I am going to hold off on the purple for a few weeks to see what happens.

Personally, I really dislike Kent salt. I will take Instant Ocean over Kent any day. Be sure to buff up your waterchange water before doing a waterchange as I said above. Stopping the Purple Up dosing isn't going to raise your alkalinity. ;)

bv_reefer
05-27-2008, 05:34 AM
my main priority is to get that skimmer in next week and let it work away, as for the magnesium i've heard better comments about the seachem magnesium as you mentioned earlier, so i think thats the one it'll be. my nitrite problem is from nothing more than running skimmerless since day 1, and i suspect my phosphates are on the higher side too, theres alot of things that i suspect water changes don't remove that a good skimmer will.

Myka
05-27-2008, 05:48 AM
my main priority is to get that skimmer in next week and let it work away, as for the magnesium i've heard better comments about the seachem magnesium as you mentioned earlier, so i think thats the one it'll be. my nitrite problem is from nothing more than running skimmerless since day 1, and i suspect my phosphates are on the higher side too, theres alot of things that i suspect water changes don't remove that a good skimmer will.

You shouldn't have nitrites from running skimmerless. I have run many tanks skimmerless and have only had troubles with nitrites when...I was have troubles... :lol: ...and that was rarely.

bv_reefer
05-27-2008, 07:06 AM
what skimmer are you running on you're display myka?

Oscar
05-27-2008, 02:37 PM
Personally, I really dislike Kent salt. I will take Instant Ocean over Kent any day. Be sure to buff up your waterchange water before doing a waterchange as I said above. Stopping the Purple Up dosing isn't going to raise your alkalinity. ;)

Myka: I think I will be picking up some Seachem salt next week after reviewing the salt analysis report posted earlier on this thread. I have halted the Purple Up just so that I can get some tank tests without it's influence for the moment.

To date I have been using Kent Tech-M to bring the Mg up. Any others have comments regarding the Kent Mg dosing vs. Seachem Mg dosing?

Thanks

Myka
05-27-2008, 04:08 PM
what skimmer are you running on you're display myka?

I have a crappy lil Remora on the current tank.

bv_reefer
05-27-2008, 06:24 PM
Myka: I think I will be picking up some Seachem salt next week after reviewing the salt analysis report posted earlier on this thread. I have halted the Purple Up just so that I can get some tank tests without it's influence for the moment.

To date I have been using Kent Tech-M to bring the Mg up. Any others have comments regarding the Kent Mg dosing vs. Seachem Mg dosing?

Thanks if a specific salt is working for you why switch because of reviews, i was getting lower calcium readings constantly so i switched to seachem reef salt, now finding my calcium and alkalinity on the higher side so i'm satisfied with it so far. next time you do a water change do some readings and judge from there :smile:

bv_reefer
05-27-2008, 06:28 PM
I have a crappy lil Remora on the current tank. i'm pretty sure as of friday, wendells gonna have both the rs80&100 in if you're interested, saw on you're profile that you're looking for a 100

Oscar
05-27-2008, 06:39 PM
if a specific salt is working for you why switch because of reviews, i was getting lower calcium readings constantly so i switched to seachem reef salt, now finding my calcium and alkalinity on the higher side so i'm satisfied with it so far. next time you do a water change do some readings and judge from there :smile:

Actually the Kent is not working for me, that is why I am looking for an alternative.

Myka
05-28-2008, 02:57 AM
i'm pretty sure as of friday, wendells gonna have both the rs80&100 in if you're interested, saw on you're profile that you're looking for a 100

Wow, I thought the RS series weren't going to be available in Canada anymore...?
I'm trying to find a used one though...but I may have to contact Wendell. Thanks! :)

Myka: I think I will be picking up some Seachem salt next week after reviewing the salt analysis report posted earlier on this thread.

I don't know anything about SeaChem salt, but check out my comments regarding IO: http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=326331&postcount=73

Oscar
05-28-2008, 04:13 AM
I don't know anything about SeaChem salt, but check out my comments regarding IO: http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=326331&postcount=73

Thanks Myka, I have been participating in that thread as well. I like the idea of treating replacement water first.

Myka
05-28-2008, 04:36 AM
Thanks Myka, I have been participating in that thread as well. I like the idea of treating replacement water first.

Yes, if your salt is lacking it really should be made up before the water is used. Honestly, I put my calcium up to about 440-450 in my waterchange water, and as long as I do waterchanges once a week like that the calcium in my tank stays right around 420-430.

Marlin65
05-28-2008, 05:33 AM
I really like dosing Kalk water its a bit more work but I have always had good results with it.
Mag is at 1420 I dose for that
CA at 460
SG 1.025
PH 8.1-8.3
NO3 0.2ppm
No NO2 and ammonium
I use Instant ocean and add Mag and CA to bump initially.
Then Dose Kalk to keep my CA up if it gets to high I use just RO by itself for for a few days.
I have always found coraline to be a bit of a pain though, but better than the green stuff.:biggrin:

bv_reefer
05-28-2008, 06:07 AM
I really like dosing Kalk water its a bit more work but I have always had good results with it.
Mag is at 1420 I dose for that
CA at 460
SG 1.025
PH 8.1-8.3
NO3 0.2ppm
No NO2 and ammonium
I use Instant ocean and add Mag and CA to bump initially.
Then Dose Kalk to keep my CA up if it gets to high I use just RO by itself for for a few days.
I have always found coraline to be a bit of a pain though, but better than the green stuff.:biggrin:
always wanted to go the kalk route as it's a better buffer and it's a 2-part in 1 kinda deal, but i don't use a top-off system so never wanted to dose it with out one, but it looks like you're calcium & alkalinity are stable enough, do you run kalk thru top-off or just daily dosing?

btw this thread ended up real helpful thank you:mrgreen:

ya myka i check last week all they had was the rs135's+180's, both overkill so i settled for an rc80. BTW i phoned this morning for a price on drilling my tank and they said wendell is in LA till thursday i believe-

Marlin65
05-28-2008, 04:38 PM
I run it through my top-off just drip it in at night.
I have a small container with a piece of tube and a small air line valve to drip it in slowly. Just picked up a dosing pump though so will probably hook that up soon.

banditpowdercoat
05-28-2008, 06:04 PM
Im running IO right now, and Cal/Mag is ,low. Originally was going fowlr but now getting LPS and softies. What should I dose with? I have some Liquid Cal and mag, Salfert brand I think. But using alot of it just to get to NSW levels. When this bucket of salt gone, Im switching I think.

Captainhemo
05-28-2008, 08:10 PM
You can get bulk Ca and Mg from Chem Master (littlesilvermax) . Here is his thread
http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=67

Marlin65
05-28-2008, 11:36 PM
Thats what I use to bump it up. Works great

bv_reefer
05-29-2008, 12:27 AM
hey thanks i'm actually considering kalk dosing for once. the whole thought of my pH sky rocketing always kept me away from it, and i ended up dosing alk & calcium individually. how does it hold up as a buffer though, i see you also dose a seperate calcium supplement, is this to make up for the kalkwasser?

marie
05-29-2008, 01:10 AM
Kalkwasser should add cal and alk in approx. the same ratio that your corals use them. For years thats all I ever used

Here is my high tech kalk dripper
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/mariesnell/skimmer019.jpg

I used to have a valve to control the drip rate but I kept breaking them so I now use an even more high tech method :razz:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/mariesnell/skimmer020.jpg

If you want a slower drip just tighten the knot :mrgreen:

bv_reefer
05-29-2008, 04:11 AM
thats a good idea marie i'll have to set something like that up in a couple days, get an airline check valve and some kalk pretty soon. is that a weeks worth of dosing, or more?

marie
05-29-2008, 04:17 AM
thats a good idea marie i'll have to set something like that up in a couple days, get an airline check valve and some kalk pretty soon. is that a weeks worth of dosing, or more?

Thats a 6L container and for me its 1 nights dosing (I also use a calcium reactor).

When you get started you will have to monitor your alk daily to make sure you are adding the right amount of kalk for your system. 2tsp per gallon of RODI water will give you complete saturation with a ph of something like 12.65 (or there abouts).

Myka
05-29-2008, 04:28 AM
thats a good idea marie i'll have to set something like that up in a couple days, get an airline check valve and some kalk pretty soon. is that a weeks worth of dosing, or more?

What's the check valve for?

marie
05-29-2008, 05:07 AM
What's the check valve for?

Its to control the drip rate of the kalk

bv_reefer
05-29-2008, 06:22 AM
about what drip rate do you set it at, or in other words how much solution would you drip for a 40 gallon?

marie
05-29-2008, 06:34 AM
about what drip rate do you set it at, or in other words how much solution would you drip for a 40 gallon?

The kalk that you drip will replace the water that evaporates. How much water do you evaporate in a 24hr period?

I would start out with a light dose of kalk, say 1tsp of kalk per gal of water and try to time the drips of the kalk to top up your tank by morning. Test your alk and if it has dropped then you need to make a stronger solution of kalk, if the alk has gone up then you need to add less kalk to the water the next night.
To get the right amount (unless someone else knows of an easier way :razz: ) it is going to take some fiddling and lots of testing.
While going through this stage I never bothered testing cal until I was sure I had alk stable. Once I figured out how much kalk I needed to keep alk stable, I checked the cal to make sure it was inline (it saves money on test kits).

By dripping at night when the ph is lower you lessen the impact of the higher ph. You will probably notice the ph of your tank going up a bit overall anyway but as long as your not just dumping the kalk water into your tank then small ph blips shouldn't be anything to worry about

bv_reefer
05-29-2008, 06:51 AM
The kalk that you drip will replace the water that evaporates. How much water do you evaporate in a 24hr period?

I would start out with a light dose of kalk, say 1tsp of kalk per gal of water and try to time the drips of the kalk to top up your tank by morning. Test your alk and if it has dropped then you need to make a stronger solution of kalk, if the alk has gone up then you need to add less kalk to the water the next night.
To get the right amount (unless someone else knows of an easier way :razz: ) it is going to take some fiddling and lots of testing.
While going through this stage I never bothered testing cal until I was sure I had alk stable. Once I figured out how much kalk I needed to keep alk stable, I checked the cal to make sure it was inline (it saves money on test kits).

By dripping at night when the ph is lower you lessen the impact of the higher ph. You will probably notice the ph of your tank going up a bit overall anyway but as long as your not just dumping the kalk water into your tank then small ph blips shouldn't be anything to worry about

marie, i evaporate about (give or take) 3L/day, that being said it'd be smart to start at about 1/2 a tsp/gal. i have both of those test kits so i'll be monitoring thru-out for the first week or so. as for a pH swing, my pH is already at 8.3 so i'm hoping it settles at no more than 8.5 after i'm done dialing in my kalk dosing? :lol: already made a kalk dripper, sooo techy too~! a 1 gallon jug, whatever works for me-

Myka
05-29-2008, 03:02 PM
Its to control the drip rate of the kalk

Don't you mean a ball valve then? How would a check valve work for that...?

marie
05-29-2008, 03:47 PM
Don't you mean a ball valve then? How would a check valve work for that...?

Actually a check valve wouldn't work...unless your worried about syphoning all your tank water out through the airline.

I think they meant ball valve or those little clamp thingies that fit on the outside of the hose (which is what I tried and kept breaking).
I just knot the airline, its cheap and adjustable :lol:

Marlin65
05-29-2008, 05:52 PM
The small air line valves work real well. They plug up after time but they are cheap.:biggrin: JL has a bag of 6 for about $10 if I remember right.
I use them to drip acclimatize my fish as well.

bv_reefer
05-29-2008, 06:26 PM
this is the one i use myka, to clear up any confusion. i'll give it a try but something tells me that there gonna clog up on me and i'll have to replace them all the time,we are talking about kalkwasser after all, and i might just go for maries airline knot solution!

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pet-dog-cat-supply-store.com/shop/shop_image/product/16cdcf6d4304d5a6d661d80f87412e93.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pet-dog-cat-supply-store.com/shop/index.php%3Fpage%3Dshop-browse-m-LEES%2520AQUARIUM&h=81&w=80&sz=2&hl=en&start=5&tbnid=aF6otClRhV1t5M:&tbnh=74&tbnw=73&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlees%2Bairline%2Bcontrol%2Bvalve%26gb v%3D2%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DX
it's the pic of the airline control valves& tees.

Marlin65
05-29-2008, 06:37 PM
those are similar to the ones I use.

marie
05-29-2008, 09:44 PM
this is the one i use myka, to clear up any confusion. i'll give it a try but something tells me that there gonna clog up on me and i'll have to replace them all the time,we are talking about kalkwasser after all, and i might just go for maries airline knot solution!



The knot clogs over time as well but I just untie, run vinegar through and then tie back up again

bv_reefer
05-30-2008, 03:29 AM
is my calcium & alk going to jump the first day even if i dose minimal, like 1/2 tsp/gallon? or is it a gradual change unlike the pH swing? also what brand do you use marie? i was thinking kent..

marie
05-30-2008, 03:48 AM
I've used kent and littlesilvermax ( http://canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=26588 ) kalk and never any problems (that I know about) with either of them.
It's possible you could have a jump depending on how much alk/cal you use in a day but the worst that will happen is that it will precipitate out and you have to start all over again. I've overdosed more then once :lol:

*edit* If you find the impellor shafts on your powerheads are getting too much mineral buildup and need to be soaked in vinegar more then once every couple of months then you are adding too much kalk

bv_reefer
05-30-2008, 08:48 PM
o so kalk precipitates if overdosed too, good to know. i think i might have to get a new calcium test kit, i just have a hagen one from when i started, and not too sure i'm comfortable using it now when i'm gonna be testing calcium from kalk dosing.