Zeovit - Enough talk, show some pics

[Aquattro]

Ok, so my LFS is trying to sell me on Zeovit, and gave me a brochure with lots of pretty colored SPS. He promises my tank will look just like that if I use Zeovit.
Now, I've been to the zeovit forums, and overall, I don't see lots of pics like the brochure. In fact, I've seen nicer tanks from members here that don't use Zeovit (or don't admit it:)).

So, I've been seeing lots of people here jumping on the wagon, and I figure we should start seeing some of these purdy SPS pics from these users. Can I see them? I can get a good price on the system and will consider it if I believe it will work, just need to see the pics of people's successes.

Also, for those of you that have just as nice or nicer SPS without Zeovit, let's hear how you do it. (Jamie and Marc could jump in here :))

So, as the title says, enough talk about how great it is, let's see it posted!!

[Pan]

Hope this is not out of place, but i found if you can manage sps growth without zeo you get richer/darker colors. Zeo seem to make your tank look like a box of pastels you get from the art store. Mind you this is strictly from observing other peoples tanks :) I would like to see some pictures to.

[Aquattro]

I see a lot of pastel colors on the zeovit site, but the ones I noticed were using T5 lighting. The brochure has pics of rich deep colors.

[CRAP! Another Hobby]

I see a lot of pastel colors on the zeovit site, but the ones I noticed were using T5 lighting. The brochure has pics of rich deep colors.

one word..."PHOTOSHOP" :lol: Do you think they would put out a brochure that shows the wonderful results that can be achieved WITHOUT being sure that the picture is "perfect?" I don't think so...
Maybe I'll photoshop a pic of one of my corals...tell me which is real (untouched) and which is p'shopped...I'll post pics soon.

[Aquattro]

Ya, maybe some editing is involved, but I've seen these colors in person without Zeo. So the colors are possible. I'm asking to see real photos from people that are touting the system as a great thing.
So let's see what Zeo has done for you, or pics of why you don't need it and how you got there.

[Jason McK]

Never mind

[digital-audiophile]

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1523068/2/istockphoto_1523068_stirring_the_pot.jpg

I can post some pics of my tank but I am a horrible photographer. I'm now 7 weeks in and have seen major changes, right now mainly in water clarity and reduction of Nitrates/Phosphates and in turn the bad algae.

I am starting to see colours in SPS. The best example so far is a scroll that I purchased totally brown and is now turning green and purple.

[michika]

Jumping on to see some of these photos. I too have wandered around the Zeo forums, and have seen similar things.

I found I could get lots of nice deep and varied colors myself with no additives, just a large bioload (its all about the fish poop!), and maintaining my Ca, dKH, and Mg levels with reactors.

[CRAP! Another Hobby]

Ok....just some playing in photoshop...don't believe what you see in ANY ad or brochure:idea:

http://www.canreef.com/photopost/data/500/shatz-n-giggles-4.jpg

http://www.canreef.com/photopost/data/500/shatz-n-giggles-2.jpg

http://www.canreef.com/photopost/data/500/shatz-n-giggles-3.jpg


And of course...some nice pastels :biggrin:..Rushed doing this, so it's not the cleanest work I have ever done (actually, some of the poorest) but you can get the idea

http://www.canreef.com/photopost/data/500/shatz-n-giggles-1.jpg

[Aquattro]

Never mind

Jason, you're using this, right? I'm interested in your thoughts so far. Are the claims accurate? Or at least worth the almost $400 to get going?

[michika]

I can post some pics of my tank but I am a horrible photographer. I'm now 7 weeks in and have seen major changes, right now mainly in water clarity and reduction of Nitrates/Phosphates and in turn the bad algae.

I am starting to see colours in SPS. The best example so far is a scroll that I purchased totally brown and is now turning green and purple.

Are you seeing your SPS coloring up, or are you seeing new colors?

[andresont]

All i can say is that I did have beautiful colors (Green, Red, Blue and Pink) with T5 and ZEO, right until I decided to give it “a little bit more flow” .
The result is Dead SPS colonies within 3 days. Only one pink colony survived, but blues, reds and greens are gone fast !
The ones that survived are recovering now , but this was about $300 lesson
:sad:

[andresont]

Are you seeing your SPS coloring up, or are you seeing new colors?

When i switched from PC lights to T5 and Zeo. I had a brown green SPS that used to be pink (got from Chin Lee long time ago),it was brown for two years (!) this thing turned pink in three month and it was beautifull deep pink color.
Zeo works but follow the instructions precisely.
Well after my flow experiment this frag is now light green and recovering , not sure what color it will be but its still alive !

[digital-audiophile]

Are you seeing your SPS coloring up, or are you seeing new colors?

At least for me it is colouring up, as I did not have much SPS before I went the T5/zeo route so I don't have any long lasting SPS comparisions.

Im my LPS (frogspawn,torch, brain) that I had before the swtich I have noted more extension and plumpness with the brain.. I even see feeding tentacles during the daylight hours.

[Canadian]

You NEED Zeo products to have colorful SPS - it's a fact.

[michika]

You NEED Zeo products to have colorful SPS - it's a fact.

:question: While I respectfully disagree with your statement, do you have any photos of your own system? Do you even have and SPS system on Zeo at this time?

[digital-audiophile]

You NEED Zeo products to have colorful SPS - it's a fact.

LOL!! I hear ya ;)

[Willito]

Zeovit are for people who haven't master the art of maintaining a stable system naturally. There is a chemical and biological balance that needs to be meet and kept as constant as possible to achieve the colorful stony corals. IMO, most hobbiests lack the true understand of a the biological filtration process and how ph, alkalinity, magnesium affect one another. Once you master how to manipulate these factors and keep them as a constant level, you will see your coral grow with a smile. By no means I've mastered it, but by keeping these levels constant, my corals can give zeoheads a run for their money. My secret weapon was getting my Ca reactor effluent as stable as possible and running the biggest skimmer that can fit into my sump.

[digital-audiophile]

I disagree, as I don't think that is a fair assesment. Even with zeo you still need to have an understanding of NSW and the ability to keep in line Ca/Alk/PH. You cannot just buy a reactor and a bunch of bottles of zeo goodies and expect to have a "show tank"

[Jason McK]

Jason, you're using this, right? I'm interested in your thoughts so far. Are the claims accurate? Or at least worth the almost $400 to get going?

Each time a Thread on Zeovit and it's results is started. It turns into this

You NEED Zeo products to have colorful SPS - it's a fact.

Zeovit are for people who haven't master the art of maintaining a stable system naturally. There is a chemical and biological balance that needs to be meet and kept as constant as possible to achieve the colorful stony corals. IMO, most hobbiests lack the true understand of a the biological filtration process and how ph, alkalinity, magnesium affect one another. Once you master how to manipulate these factors and keep them as a constant level, you will see your coral grow with a smile. By no means I've mastered it, but by keeping these levels constant, my corals can give zeoheads a run for their money. My secret weapon was getting my Ca reactor effluent as stable as possible and running the biggest skimmer that can fit into my sump.

Like I would actually take part in this thread.

Sorry Brad. Next time you jump over to the mainland PM me. I'm about 5 minutes from the ferry

J

[Willito]

I'll rephrase that. With a good understanding and the ability to keep ph,alk,cal,mag, and nutrient levels balanced, you will achieve good colors. You don't need zeovit to achieve that, it's just a poor excuse that cost money and time that you don't need.

[Delphinus]

Zeovit isn't necessary, but it's fun.

I will say this: the water clarity I got with Zeo was unparalleled with anything previous I tried, including denitrators and ozone. The difference in water clarity truly caught me off guard. I feel the water was far more polished looking than with anything I've tried previously.

The use of Zeo allows me to increase my margins: I can feed more to my livestock than I would be able to without, and not hopefully not worry about NO3 or PO4 running away on me. And I don't need to run GFO, so that helps. And it has the benefit of feeding the corals as well.

So, I'm happy with Zeo, and plan to continue with it. I'm a total newb at Zeo though, I'm only one month in.

But, it's not a limiting factor by any stretch. There are nice SPS tanks with Zeo, there are nice SPS tanks without Zeo. It is therefore not a critical path or limiting factor, but just one tool that one can employ out of an arsenal of tools or methodologies. As with many other things, it's not what's right, but what's right for you that counts in the end. :)

[Willito]

Well put Tony.

[marie]

You NEED Zeo products to have colorful SPS - it's a fact.

I've Never used zeo :mrgreen:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/mariesnell/puacro001.jpg

[untamed]

You NEED Zeo products to have colorful SPS - it's a fact.

Hmm...I have to respectfully disagree with this statement as well. It is certainly NOT a fact. "It's a fact" may be just an expression people throw around a bit casually.

[untamed]

There are two aspects to Zeo that would probably stop me from ever getting fully involved.

The first is that they won't tell me what is in their little bottles. "Add 1 drop of this per 25 gallons per day"...What am I putting in there? OK, it is their secret to keep...but it just doesn't feel right to me. (Note that I am currently adding sponge power and one other one....so it's not like I won't do it...just that it doesn't quite sit right with me)

The second is that it feels a bit like following someone else's instructions. Do exactly this...do exactly that...achieve exactly the same thing as everyone else. My tank is too much an expression of my individuality to just follow an instruction manual.

The system seems to produce the results as promised...but that in itself doesn't provide me reason to use it.

[bv_reefer]

i'm starting this wednesday :mrgreen:
gonna just start off with K-balance for growth and color and get some coral snow and see how it works out

[UnderWorldAquatics]

edited for bitter and disgruntled content.....;)

[Snappy]

I agree with Tony as well.
I have seen nice looking sps tanks that use zeo and plenty that don't. IMO colourful sps has several variables, one many people don't discuss is genetics. Not all corals of the same species will look exactly the same so don't expect it. Although you can often get lucky with unknowns I generally prefer to get pieces that are from known good parent colonies because over the years I have bought my fair share of duds that I thought might have potential but never lived up to my expectations. That said, low nitrates, minimal alk & ph spikes are key. Proper flow, lighting and skimming are also major parts of the equation. I personally don't use zeo and for the most part have managed to achieve pretty reasonable colour. Using zeo or not is a personal preference and good results are not guaranteed with any husbandry method unless proper care is provided.
Because I tend to over stock my tank with both fish & corals I use an oversized skimmer and dose with AA's to help lower my nitrates. Some may call it a lack of skill or cheating on my part which is fine but I only do a 10% water change every 5-8 weeks so for me it's worth it.:wink:

For the "that's a fact" comment here is an example from my tank that I think has colour due to genetics and a healthy environment, not zeo or even AA's. Who knows, with zeo it may get better colour? I don't know but in reality this picture although bright doesn't really do it justice.
(I disturbed it before the picture so the polyps would retract to better show the coralites)
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h210/Trainer02/April42008087supergrape.jpg

[Delphinus]

Oh my. That thing is insane!!!

I'm not sure but I thought Canadian might have been pulling a fast one with the "need" comment, because Brad had said something a couple weeks ago about needing halides (which I think was also in jest). Maybe I'm off base and maybe I shouldn't be speculating what others mean.

To me, you don't need halides but you do need good light. You don't need a skimmer but you do need careful management of nutrient import vs. nutrient export. You don't need Tunzes or Vortechs but you do need adequate water movement. Etc. Etc.

[digital-audiophile]

For the record.. the "It's fact comment" is a friendly jab against Brad's own comments regarding MH when compared against T5 in these two threads where he loving says that "you NEED MH.. it's a fact" :p

http://canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40826

http://canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40940

[Aquattro]

For the record.. the "It's fact comment" is a friendly jab against Brad's own comments regarding MH when compared against T5 in these two threads where he loving says that "you NEED MH.. it's a fact" :p

http://canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40826

http://canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40940

Zactly!! :)

[Myka]

I thought this was supposed to be a picture thread of tanks/corals using Zeo??? I was also interested to see these corals, but all I see are pics of people saying "I don't use it, and see what I have!". Maybe we need a new thread...

[Joe Reefer]

Zeovit is like your tank having its own personal trainer.

bv_reefer: I would get a kalium test kit before dosing K-Balance. Depending on which salt your using and how old your tank is, the levels may be fine.

[Canadian]

Hey, here's what I KNOW:

1) In the 2 weeks since I set up my first reef tank my SPS have never looked better than they have in the last 3 days since starting dosing.

2) The people who posted pics of their SPS to show off how much color they have without ZEO cheated and photoshopped their pics - that's a fact!

3) There have been 11 randomized controlled trials that have conclusively shown that ZEO products were able to completely eliminate malignant melanoma. Incidentally, those patients who underwent the ZEO treatment also developed incredible tans and perfect complexions.






















Wow! Impressive over-reaction from a lot of people - well done! Tony, Greg and Brad hit the nail on the head.

From an aesthetic standpoint I actually like the "pastel" colors that some people criticize Zeo users of getting when used in conjunction with T5s in a lot of tanks. If I could affordably automate the dosing of Zeo products I would most likely give it a try. But given the weekly travel that I have to do I just can't try it until the end of the summer when my schedule settles down.

[blaster]

snappy you dose AAs,what are they amino acids and how much do you dose?

[marie]

For the record.. the "It's fact comment" is a friendly jab against Brad's own comments regarding MH when compared against T5 in these two threads where he loving says that "you NEED MH.. it's a fact" :p

http://canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40826

http://canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40940

Well geez, if comments like that are made, then a road map to all relevant posts would be nice to have BEFORE I feel a need to respond

[Jason McK]

OK I will chime in.

I ran an SPS dominated tank for 5 years prior to going with a larger tank and starting Zeovit.
My colour prior to using Zeovit was great. I had pieces from many local reefers that actually became way better than in others tanks. I was very happy with my results.
but I always battled nuance algae like calerpa in my main tank.
So I had a choice build a Refugium or look for alternative nitrate and phosphate removal.
This took place the exact time we started seeing Zeovit in Canada.
After weighing the options I converted my refugium plans into a Frag tank and strated Zeovit after week 2 of my main systems cycle.
I watched as my cycle finished and watched as I had only a small new tank algea bloom.

Things I've observed while on Zeovit
1. My great looking pieces still look great (no major changes)
2. My average pieces have improved colour
3. My boring pieces are now a whole ton nicer

General observations
1. Colour tips of all corals have become richer and the tips colour stretch further down the coral branch
2. using salifert Nitrate test kits there is no nitrates in the water column
3. Using Deltec Phosphate test kits there is less than 0.03 phosphates

Cautions
Unlike what is stated above Zeovit is much more sensitive to improper balance of CA, ALK, Mag. Elevated levels that are used by many is not advised as RTN or bleaching can occur (trust me I know)

Not ever supplement is for everyone. I have found that there are 2 supplements certain corals react poorly to Spur2 and Stylo-Pocci Glow. While others have seen great results form these.

My choice to run Zeo was to aid in Nitrate and Phosphate removal. The Bactria that is responsible for the removal is then used as food for your corals. At times my polyp extension is so good the beauty of the coral is lost.

I typically do not take part in this type of thread because it quickly turns into a witch hunt fuelled by ignorance. but in the spirit of the origin of the thread

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[Jason McK]

To ramble on further. the basic elements of Zeovit (ZeoLith, ZeoBac, ZeoStart2, and ZeoFood7) are all part of the nitrate and phosphate removal system.
This will help bring out better colour in coral tissue to a certain extent. but to truly debate the effectiveness of 'Zeo supplements' one should break down the additional additives in the Zeovit system as to their benefits or lack there of.

J

[digital-audiophile]

Much like Jason, my justification for going with zeo was to reduce bad algae. No matter what I was doing I could just not seem to kick hair algae and green film algae. As I did not have a lot of coral (and even though I have been adding a few pieces my tank is still very lightly stocked) I had read and seen the benefits of zeo and gave it a shot.

I have been running for 7 weeks now and I have zero GHA (just a little remaining on powerheads but a good vinegar cleaning should take care of that) I have very little green film, just a bit on the glass ever couple days I sweep off, mainly in lower flow areas (which I am going to try to remedy by adding a vortech for wave action)

My water clarity now is amazing, my water no longer looks yellow and is crisp and clear, my waste water coming out of the tank on water changes is almost the same colour as the new water coming in.

I am sure everyones experience will be different but I bought in hook line and sinker.. I am currently using :

Reefers Best Salt
Basic 3 (Start/Bac/Food)
Amino Acid Concentrate
Sponge Power
Coral Snow
Phols Coral Vitaizer

I am considering:
Spur
K-balance
Stylo Pocci-Grow

My coral current stocklist is :

4 Montiporia Colonies
4 Acro Colonies
1 Pocilipora Colony
1 Monti Frag
2 Acro Frag
Ricordia
Zoos
Open Brain
Crocea Clam
Frogspawn
Torch

Purple Tang
Regal Tang
2xPercula
6xChromis
Sleeper Goby
Sixline Wrasse
Firefish

[marie]

Jason, since my troubles began over christmas I have been considering going with zeovit but before I started using rowaphos my phosphate levels according to elos have never been above .05, after running phosphate removers for the last 4 month my phosphate levels are still between .01 and .05. My nitrates have also never been detectable using a salifert test kit.
I know my nutrient levels are high because of the algae and hydroids in my system but would zeovit be that much more of a benefit for me considering the growth and health of my corals for the last year.

Unfortunately I think I might of narrowed my recent problems down to the new 35lb bottle of co2. When calcium demand dropped so low I turned off the reactor, the corals stopped stning and the demand picked up again, I turned the reactor back on and problems started all over. It took me 3 months of doing this before I realized it might be the co2 :rolleyes:


Oh and I think the purple acro in the pic I posted (it really is that colour to the naked eye, canadian :mrgreen:) is exactly the same coral as the purple one (seventh pic) that jason posted.

[Snappy]

[quote=Canadian;318056]Hey, here's what I KNOW:
2) The people who posted pics of their SPS to show off how much color they have without ZEO cheated and photoshopped their pics - that's a fact!quote]
Perhaps you've been drinking too much of your user name.:razz:
I mentioned in my post the picture doesn't do justice.
Anyway my point was about coral genetics and although not previously stated recticulate evolution plays a role as is obvious in the pictures from Marie & Jason of their same A.valida/nana.

BTW---Jason your tank looks great! Thanks for posting.

[marie]

BTW---Jason your tank looks great! Thanks for posting.

Yes thanks for posting Jason, I still haven't ruled out using zeovit but first I think I'll see what using a better skimmer can do.

Oh and thank you Snappy for identifying the coral...not that I'll ever remember it in the future :redface:

[Aquattro]

I thought this was supposed to be a picture thread of tanks/corals using Zeo??? ...

Yup, it's supposed to be. My impression so far is that there are no pics, so I'm not sure I can justify spending the money.

The reason I'm interested is that yes, although I think I cna do the same without Zeo (my previous tanks have been not-too-bad), I would like to feed my fish a bit more than normal and I have used sand this time around. If I can add more and Zeovit helps me manage it better (since I cna't get my skimmer to actually work very well), then I'd be intersted in setting this up. I'm not talking about adding the supplements, just the base reactor with zeofood, zeostart, zeobak and media. Ok, maybe dose some K, but that's it.

Do we have any pics?? Anyone?

[digital-audiophile]

I'll take some pics tonight, I've been neglegent due to the fact that I still can't figure out how to take decent underwater pictures.

Regarding cost, it's really only the startup that hits your pocketbook :

Reactor (1.5L) ~$230
ZeoStart ~$30
ZeoFood ~$15
ZeoBac ~$15
Zeolites ~$15

.. So initially you are looking to spend around $300.00.

Once you get going it should average out to around $20 (as noted by Albert in a thread a ways back)

[Aquattro]

OK I will chime in.



Thanks Jason, this is what I was looking for. I don't want to argue about whether it works or cures cancer, I want to see pics that will help me justify spending the money.

[Delphinus]

I don't really have any before or after pictures, sorry.

To be honest the water zapped itself into this amazing clarity I couldn't even imagine, so quickly, that it literally caught me off guard. Like, I turned on the reactor one night, thought "I should get some pictures to do a before and after.. ah, it's late, I'll do it tomorrow." But "tomorrow" was too late. I was sitting there looking at my tank wondering what was wrong with my lights because they were noticeably brighter. Like they were suddenly being overdriven or something. Then I noticed my carpet tank had the same effect going on (it's a refugium style or satellite style tank run on the same sump). I finally realized, it wasn't the lights, it was the water.

I can show you some pictures of the frags I've got but without a context of a before and after, they don't really have a lot meaning to the spirit of this thread.

To be honest, to me the colours are just a happy bonus. Colours come from having nice pieces and reasonably well managed water quality, so colours will come anyhow. But having pieces grow because they are feeding on the bacteria that reduced the PO4 and NO3 .. that has a certain appeal to me. I feed my fish generously and wish to continue to do so as I feel that they are healthier that way, and this allows me to do more so. I mean I'm not going overboard, but it gives me a comfort margin. I have a CBB, for example, who only eats mysis, and grocery store bought food clams (mussels, Manilla, oysters, etc.). If I don't feed him what he eats, he doesn't eat. (He's already cleaned the tank of aiptasia.) I don't want to see him go without food, so I feed him a little mysis every day. Running Zeo allows me to do this without my NO3 and PO4 getting away on me.

[Aquattro]

I guess I'm gonna need to get some corals to really test this out, eh??

[digital-audiophile]

The coral can always come later :) In some ways it seems better to start zeo on a new or understocked tank so you can get really agressive with the dosing from the start of zeo to snap things into order early on without the fear of hurting your coral - Bleaching/RTN

I have a pocy high up in the tank before I started zeo under MH but with the swtich to T5 and zeovit I had to drop it down to the bottom of the tank as it bleached in a day.. I've mood it back up now as the colour is starting to return.


For the recod I was much like you.. I just didn't think I could justify the expense but when I started seeing tanks with zeo and what they have done I decided to give it a shot. The changes I saw in clarity much like Tony were amazing, and instant change!

[Aquattro]

Running Zeo allows me to do this without my NO3 and PO4 getting away on me.


Which is the direction I'm going. I like to feed mysis at least once a day, and need a buffer...

[adidas]

i've got some pretty good color in my sps and i'm not using ANY supplements.

[Aquattro]

i've got some pretty good color in my sps and i'm not using ANY supplements.

Sorry, the pics didn't show up...

[Monti-Man]

I do not use zeovit, but I am wondering how does one add corals to this system without cuasing rtn?
Some local fish stores have browned out corals cheap, so is their a distinct way of introducing them to a system?

Thankyou

[Willito]

There is no disbute that Zeo works, the real question is how much money and time do you want to invest? And is the result that much better? The beauty that it brings out of the corals is very subjective. Some may like the wash-out look, and some may not. If you're OK with spending some extra money and time every day dosing, then it's ideal, however to gain true success from it requires long time commitment. I ran Zeo for about 5 months two and a half years ago and saw what it was capable of. I also experienced how demanding the whole process was and quit shortly after. Taking what I learnt about Zeo, I've developed a way of reef keeping that I am very happy with today, and it may even rival the Zeo.

One of the most enjoyable aspect about this hobby is having to maintain the tank as least as possible. Zeo doesn't fall in that category, it requires a lot of nurturing. A high maintenance tank will tend to drive people away from the hobby in long run, it just doesn't last. Keep it low-tech and low maintenance and you will reep the rewards for a long time.

For those who are interested in using Zeo to color up your corals and to manage nuisance algae and the likes, go for it, it works, but beware of the commitments invovled. I'll post some coral pictures of my non-zeo method.

http://members.shaw.ca/ruwilling1/wicked/A.hoeksemai.jpg

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[digital-audiophile]

Very nice corals :)

You are right, zeo is a commitement, but I personally have not found it to troublesome, I'm at my tank atleast once a day feeding, so taking the few extra seconds to pump the reactor and add a few drops from a couple bottles does not take up that much time. As for zeo scaring people of reefkeeping, I'm not so sure.. I wouldn't think that many first timers would go with zeo from the start unless they were really well read.. for the most part people fumble through the same trial errors and mistakes we all have.


Anyhow so I cannot be accused of not posting pictures... out of about 150 I tried to take this was the only one that actually turned out decent... and it's not even SPS :p


Us Calgary guys need to have a photo lunch and learn session like the BC guys did.


http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w319/digital-audiophile/Fish%20Tank/Brain.jpg

[Justusfish]

Gee, Willito, what's your secret. Low maintenance and brilliant colour. Sounds like a good combo to me!!

[BMW Rider]

I'd like to hear the long term benefits and drawbacks of the system. Most of the stories seem to focus on short term sucess, but what is the rate of success after many months or years with it. Does it start to wane in efectiveness over time? That seems to be the case I'm experiencing with the Reefresh system, all was great at first, but now it seems to be ineffective in keeping the film algae at bay, and my sps are just not doing great at all.

[Jason McK]

I've been using Zeo for 2 years with no redused effectiveness. In actuallity over time you use less and less Zeo until you are at very little dosing.
As Willito says, if your not willing to perform daily dosing it will be difficult to be successful.


J

[albert_dao]

If you don't want to use it, don't?

I mean, seriously, why would people be so enthusiastic about a product that doesn't work? When is the last time you saw someone going off about what a great product their Skilter was?

"OMG, SUCH AN UBER SKIMMER AT ONE TENTH THE COST! I GOT RID OF MY BUBBLEKING SINCE IT WAS SUCH JUNK COMPARED TO THIS! YOU ALL MUST BUY!"

[digital-audiophile]

Thanks Albert :)

You were the one that sold me on zeo and I am so glad you did.

[Aquattro]

If you don't want to use it, don't?

I mean, seriously, why would people be so enthusiastic about a product that doesn't work?

There are sevearl reasons, one of which would be high pressure sales like this! I'm asking to see how it works from people that have been using it. I see lots of threads on the zeovit site where people are not seeing the results, and the replies are "just keep waiting". If it works as claimed, and lots of people use it, then there should be lots of pics, right?

Your comment sounds like an infommercial without any blingy props. I've asked to see pics, not to debate it's effectiveness.
Does anyone else have pics?

[digital-audiophile]

Brad, I wonder if any of the LFS's in Victoria (are there any decent ones?) that might have zeo running on a display tank? That was one of the things that sold me on zeo was to see it up and running with my own two eyes.

I had also seen it in a super sweet zeo tank here in town, its a massive 300+Gallon tank in an office. The tank is heavily stocked with large tangs and angels and the water clarity was mindblowing.

[Aquattro]

Greg, Safari, our local supplier, is going to set it up on their display, which unfortunately is not a SPS tank. I think May might include a trip to th emainland, so I'll see if I can mooch some viewing from some of the users here. I'll probably sign up, just for the added nutrient export, it's just that my reading at zeovit.com left me lacking...
I'm confident with the skills I have and my existing equipment that I can produce a nice tank (if I ever get any corals!!), but zeo may just give it that extra push I've always been after

[digital-audiophile]

The zeo forums are pretty one sided I agree, I go there mainly to look at the pictures and I got some start up advise for dosing as the manual seems to contradict itself a lot.

If you were in Calgary I would be happy to have you over to show you my tank in person, like i've said before it is noting special but I have seen changes. I tried again last night to take pictures but I cannot seem to get my white balance correct so my pirctures all do end up looking like a T5 pastel nightmare :p

I did manage to get a nice picture of a new acro that I picked up on Sunday that looks like it might have some nice potential. I will post that picture when I get home and hopefuly follow up with progress pics.

I wish that I would have shot some pictures before I started zeo, my tank was drowing in green film algae. I would scrub the glass in the AM before I went to work and by the time I came home there was a solid film back on the glass. Within 24 hours after starting zeovit this algae started to fade and within a week it was all but gone. I do still wipe the tank daily but there are just small little patches here and there on the glass and as I mentioned before I think it is flow related and skimmer related. I'm going to get a vortech to add more random flow to areas that don;t seem to get it right now, and I need to get a proper sump built, Right now I am using a sump tank without baffles so I am having water level fluctuations in the sump so that by the time I get home there has been enough evap that the skimmer is not pulling as much foam as it was in the am (or I could set up an ATO to solve this)

[reef]

You NEED Zeo products to have colorful SPS - it's a fact

Absolute rubbish. Zeo is just another product to be used a tool to help cleaning the tank of nutrients, there are many others like fauna marin, prodibio.

These products work on using bacteria to clean the tank, something that has been done for 20 years or more,

All zeo is, is bacteria and a food source for the bacteria to grow. so they multiply and clean your tank. in simple terms.

Zeo does not tell you what is in the bottles as it creates a perception that it is something special, good marketing.

[tang daddy]

I know this is a thread on Zeo and is suppose to have pics, currently I'm using ultralith by Fauna Marin and have been doing so for about 2 months or so. Colours on my sps tank were fair before I started and I thought after reading the stuff about expelling zoo on the coral and yabba yabba yabba that the coral was going to be brighter. Well there is some truth behind it but I would say that the stuff in the bottles smell much like vinegar. Anyhow I'm not exactly sure why we buy the zeolith rock other than a place where bacteria can feed and grow why couldn't they grow on biorings or inside biorock. I would suggest this if you want to try it for yourself, first off instead of buying the reactor try using a canister filter, if you buy one used you'll save some money there. So basically all you start with is a bottle of the so called bacteria some zeolith rock and the canister filter. After this go get yourself a bottle of the cleanest purest vodka available, sugar and vinegar then add a little of each ingredient every other day and see what results you achieve. If I only knew this before I would've saved about $100 bucks on the extra additives, anyhow seeing as I dosed minimal from the start and dose even less now things are going great. And what algae problem ahahhahah corals look awesome and PE is like excellent aswell if I had a sharp camera I would post some pics but because I don't, I feel embarresed to post blurry out of focus pics. Although upon digging through photobucket I managed to find a few pics that a freind took with an slr, 1 thing I will add is that corals do appear alittle lighter or paler now than before I started the product.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o227/tangdaddy/IMG_2234.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o227/tangdaddy/IMG_2233.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o227/tangdaddy/IMG_2241.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o227/tangdaddy/IMG_2221.jpg

[tang daddy]

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o227/tangdaddy/IMG_2198.jpg

[Aquattro]

Absolute rubbish.

Yes, we know. Andrew was just poking at me re: a past thread on lighting. Zeo also does not cure cancer (as far as we know today) :)

[Chowder]

A cheaper or poorman Zeo method. It's a good read if you have the time.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1348770

[reef]

Anyhow I'm not exactly sure why we buy the zeolith rock other than a place where bacteria can feed and grow why couldn't they grow on biorings or inside biorock.

You dont need to add the zeolite at all. it is just added to help the cleaning process.
zeovit will work without the zeolite as the bacteria is the partthat breaks down the waste.