What's gonna eat this algae?

[jvision]

I've got some algae starting to creep into my system. I'm thinking that I don't have enough hermit crabs (about 6 in a 37+10g sump). Here's some pics:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/MillerJason/Algae001.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/MillerJason/Algae002.jpg

Is there something small and peaceful that will take care of this?

I'm planning on lighting up the sump for some macro - I'm guessing that this will help a lot, too.

[ElGuappo]

No sure excatly but im thinking a sea hare will do it i have one i a 34 gallon reef tank and no bother either way with him he is barely noticed. only thing is once he eats all the algae you might have to start supplimenting him . they eat at a great pace. take a look at mine i will add a pic right now. i have one because my tank is over run with algae i cant get rid of. mine is barely 2 inches but will grow to 4 or 5 .

[Der_Iron_Chef]

Is it really coarse? Looks like it could be bryopsis...which is difficult to eradicate. There's a thread (http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1113109) on Reef Central about raising Mg levels to get rid of it.

[ponokareefer]

I tried a number of different critters before a short spine urchin took care of it for me.

[Aquattro]

I have a bit of that, I found some snails that just chow it down. Kinda like turbos but with spikes around the base of their shell.

[Myka]

That is hair algae (bryopsis). It is NOT hard to get rid of provided you do everything right. The only time that I have ever seen hair algae be a real nuisance to eradicate was from "dirty" live rocks that leached phosphates.

Hair algae is caused mainly by excess nutrients;phosphates and nitrates primarily or any combination of low calcium, alkalinity and/or magnesium. It can also be caused by old bulbs as well as several other less likely problems.

In regard to excess nutrients, you may or may not actually have any nitrate or phosphate readings. This is because the algae is eating it as fast as your tank is producing it, so there isn't any left in the water to show up on your test kits. It's all being held by the algaes! Macro algae in the sump should help quite a bit for this. As well as cutting down on feeding (including liquids like phyto etc). Make sure there aren't any dead spots in your tank for detritus to settle and break down.

Your calcium should be at least 400 ppm. I aim for 400-425 ppm. Alkalinity should be 8-10 dKH to help prevent hair algae, although many people operate their tank both above and below these numbers. Magnesium should be 1350-1400 ppm. All these numbers are very important for your corals in their ability to grow their skeletons, so you should have your numbers in these ranges anyway as I see hard corals in your photos. :)

MH bulbs should be replaced every 12 months, T5 bulbs every 8 months, and PC and NO bulbs every 6 months. This is because the spectrum changes; slowly fading from the bluer end to the redder end (yellow) which promotes algae growth.

So, here's some questions you need to answer to help you with your hair algae. Please don't leave any out:

How old is your tank?
How often/what size waterchanges?
What kind of course water? (RO, RO/DI, tap, etc)
What temperature is your tank?
What kind of filtration? What medias do you use?
What kind of lighting?
How long do your lights run each day?
How old are the bulbs?
How many of what kind of fish?
What do you feed? How much? How often? (Include liquid foods)
What are your water parameters? (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, calcium, alkalinity, magnesium)

Let's start there. :)

I have a bit of that, I found some snails that just chow it down. Kinda like turbos but with spikes around the base of their shell.

Those are Astraea snails. They shouldn't eat bryopsis. You likely have green turf algae.

[Aquattro]

Those are Astraea snails. They shouldn't eat bryopsis. You likely have green turf algae.

No, it's not bryopsis, but the snails are not astrea either. Never seen them before.

[Myka]

No, it's not bryopsis, but the snails are not astrea either. Never seen them before.

Do they look like this?

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k43/Myka82/Aquariums/SWTank-Jan282007002.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k43/Myka82/Aquariums/SWTank-Jan282007003.jpg

[imisky]

most of my algae disappeared on me when i started to dose a source of carbon into my tank (vodka,sugar,vinegar) except for one type which i dont know what it is...its red and looks like hair algae.

i would do a combination of manual removal/using animals/ dosing carbon to let the bacteria take up the NO3 and PO4

[tang daddy]

are you using rodi water that helps too.

[J.Lloy]

That pic looks like a Sundial Turbo which should eat the same as a Reg Turbo

[Bartman]

most of my algae disappeared on me when i started to dose a source of carbon into my tank (vodka,sugar,vinegar) except for one type which i dont know what it is...its red and looks like hair algae.

i would do a combination of manual removal/using animals/ dosing carbon to let the bacteria take up the NO3 and PO4

Did you use Vodka, Sugar and Vinegar mixed or is it one or the other? BTW, my turbos eat the red stuff that looks like hair algae.

[jvision]

So, here's some questions you need to answer to help you with your hair algae. Please don't leave any out:

How old is your tank?
How often/what size waterchanges?
What kind of course water? (RO, RO/DI, tap, etc)
What temperature is your tank?
What kind of filtration? What medias do you use?
What kind of lighting?
How long do your lights run each day?
How old are the bulbs?
How many of what kind of fish?
What do you feed? How much? How often? (Include liquid foods)
What are your water parameters? (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH, calcium, alkalinity, magnesium)

Let's start there. :)




The tank itself is fairly new - running for a month or so. However, everything in it is from a tank that was over 1yr. I do about 1/3 WC every 3 weeks or so. Thinking about upping the frequency and lowering the amount - maybe 1/4 every 2 weeks? And, I use tap water.
The tank is kept right around 80F, and is filtered via sump. THe sump has a DSB and LRR. Thinking of lighting it for frags, and am adding an AC2000/500 for macro.
Lighting is 2x 96W PC - 1actinic + 1 10K, on for 12hrs/day. The bulbs are just over 3 months old. I am probably switching to T5/MH in the near future.
Only fish in the tank are a pair of tomato clowns and a lawnmowre blenny. Probably going to pick up a pair of signal gobies, or something simlar/small to sift sand a bit more. I feed about 10-15 pellets most days, and about 2x/wk I feed about 1/2"sq of Mysis.
I've been doing planted tanks for years, and have not used a test kit in years (the tank usually tells what it needs :)). But, being a SW noob, guess I may have to break down and get some! :o
I add Purple up about once a week.

Guess it may be time to raise the flame shield. ;)

[Reefer Rob]

Looks like plain old hair algae to me. Bryopsis looks like tiny little ferns, very pretty... but evil. Running phosphate absorber, and an urchin would be a good start. Ditch the DSB IMO, it's just a place to store crud. At the very least buy bottled RO/DI water, or better get ahold of Aquasafe and get your own setup.

[Myka]

Jason...I'll reply to your answers tonight as I don't have time right now. I do see a few things that need to be taken care of. ;)

[Myka]

The tank itself is fairly new - running for a month or so. However, everything in it is from a tank that was over 1yr.

Did the tank have HA when you bought it, or is this new?

I do about 1/3 WC every 3 weeks or so. Thinking about upping the frequency and lowering the amount - maybe 1/4 every 2 weeks? And, I use tap water.

This may be the biggest issue for you right here. Untreated tapwater likely has at least a small amoutn of nitrates and phosphates. Every time you do a waterchange you're adding more undesirable nutrients. :( Look into purchasing 5 gallon jugs from your grocery store at the very least, so preferably your own RO/DI unit which you can pick up for about $150-200. The best money you'll ever spend on your tank!! Once you get your hands on some RO water, I would do a 30% waterchange with it. Make sure you're 'aging' your waterchange water by putting a powerhead in the bucket to mix the salt up well for you and stabilize the pH.

When you're having nutrient issues, you should be doing waterchanges more often. Try upping that to 10-15% once a week (with RO water!) until the algaes get into control. Then you can slowly back off your waterchanges to find the perfect balance that suits your equipment and your tank's inhabitants. You should try not to do more than 20% waterchanges on a regular basis, it is too much change for the tank in one go. Stability is KEY on a reef.

The tank is kept right around 80F, and is filtered via sump. THe sump has a DSB and LRR. Thinking of lighting it for frags, and am adding an AC2000/500 for macro.

You don't have a skimmer?

Lighting is 2x 96W PC - 1actinic + 1 10K, on for 12hrs/day. The bulbs are just over 3 months old. I am probably switching to T5/MH in the near future.

I would suggest a split lighting scheme. Instead of 12 hours, try 10, and split it up. Turn on for 5 hours, off for 1-2 hours, on for 5 hours again. Some people are having a lot of success with this method, others aren't. It's worth trying.

Only fish in the tank are a pair of tomato clowns and a lawnmowre blenny. Probably going to pick up a pair of signal gobies, or something simlar/small to sift sand a bit more.

Try out something like an Orange Lip Conch or a Fighting Conch. They are AWESOME sand sifters that can live well in a slightly smaller tank. I wouldn't put them in anything smaller than your tank though.

I feed about 10-15 pellets most days, and about 2x/wk I feed about 1/2"sq of Mysis.

Try cutting that down to only 4-5 feedings per week total. I'm glad you are feeding Mysis instead of Brine Shrimp, much more nutritious! :) Do you rinse your frozen food before feeding? There is a lot of nuisance nutrients in the water that the Mysis are in when it is thawed. To keep these out of your tank, you should pre-thaw in a small bowl/cup/whatever with a splash of RO water. Once thawed (like 3 mins) pour off all the water, and add some fresh RO. Pour that water off right away, and your nicely rinsed Mysis are ready to be fed!

I've been doing planted tanks for years, and have not used a test kit in years (the tank usually tells what it needs :)). But, being a SW noob, guess I may have to break down and get some! :o

Ah yes, I'm starting my first planted tank. It's much different! As a SW noobie you need to RELY on test kits until you learn what to look for. Even then you need to be testing for your Calcium, Alkalinity, and Magnesium levels regularly. If you have a calcium reactor, then you'll can basically set it to keep those levels exactly where you want them. Without a calcium reactor you need to test regularly.

Salifert or Elos are the best test kits you can get without being a lab! Buy Calcium, alkalinity, pH, and nitrate for now. Then take a sample of your water to the LFS for them to test ammonia, nitrite, phosphate, and magnesium for you. These last four won't change very quickly, so you can rely on getting your water tested at the LFS and be able to change them when/if needed.

Alkalinity is the most difficult to keep stable without a calcium reactor. I would test it twice a week until you learn how quickly your tank uses it up, and how much supplement you need to add. Once you have it figured out (probably take you at least a month to really figure out) then you can start testing once a week until you have that figured out, then wait a bit longer between, and eventually it will be something that you'll only need to test for every 4-6 weeks.

Calcium will be used up regularly, but doesn't change as quickly as Alkalinity can, so weekly testing until you know that one as well.

[/quote]I add Purple up about once a week.[/quote]

Don't supplement something that you can't test for. You now have no idea what your calcium and alkalinity levels are, so adding them is not a very good idea. Your calcium could be 600 ppm from adding the Purple Up and you wouldn't even know. Purple Up is pretty much a good marketing scheme. It doesn't promote coralline algae any more than keeping proper water parameters and lighting does.

Guess it may be time to raise the flame shield. ;)

No need for that. :)

[Aquattro]

Do they look like this?




Yes, those are thems, but they are not what I've ever received when ordering astrea snails, and doing a quick google, not what comes up for pics..

http://www.reefcorner.com/SpecimenSheets/astrea_snail.htm


If you have a positive ID on these, or know where to get them, please let me know.

[Aquattro]

If you have a positive ID on these, or know where to get them, please let me know.


Well, searching further, you're right. They are Astrea caelata, not the tecta normally sold by stores I frequent.

[Myka]

Well, searching further, you're right. They are Astrea caelata, not the tecta normally sold by stores I frequent.

Yep! :) Sorry I had forgotten their latin name. They are good lil Astreas. They are hardy. I got them from one of the local LFS. I think they mis-labelled them as Trochus if I remember correctly.

My favourite algae eaters are Stomatella though. :)