I think we should step back a bit

[niloc16]

Now before i start this i want to state this really clear, i am not starting this thread to attack, annoy or start an argument. i am just stating an opinion.

its my opinion that lately we have become really aggressive on here. it seems like every 3 or 4th thread a war has begun and then it gets closed. i'm not sure why really. when i first started out this forum it got me to where i am today. you guys helped me out a ton whether you answered direct questions of mine or i was 'lurking' on your amazing tank journals and sucking up what ever info i could. but lately, in my opinion, it has become a buy & sell forum and a place to 'flash our keyboard muscle' at each other. having a difference in opinion is really good, as long as both parties respect each other and listen to the other. i actually prefer threads that the really experienced guys and new guys get on and debate back and forth on ideas and methods but i'm getting tired of following threads that when a difference in opinion is brought up, people attack each other.

maybe i'm out to lunch on this. i dont mean to sound like a sappy tree hugger but i would like to see this board go back to an easy going informative and fun website to go to. let me know what you think. is it just me feeling this way or do you feel the same way?

sorry for the rant, i guess it was my turn to vent tonight............

[Der_Iron_Chef]

I haven't noticed it much...but maybe because I spend time on RC, too, and the atmosphere on there is often toxic.

There are always ways to say things civilly and to disagree politely, though. Rudeness and arrogance is never acceptable.

Okay, now that I think about it...yeah. There's a bit of a sense of "chronological snobbery" that weaves throughout the world of aquaria. The longer you've been on, the older you are...yada yada yada. Condescending attitudes toward young people is pretty low in my books.

Ok, I'm done my mini rant too :)

[Sebae again]

So,what's wrong with sappy tree huggers ?

[Der_Iron_Chef]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

Oh..I mean..uhh....*hugs tree*

[fishoholic]

You are right. I am somewhat guilty. If someone says something on here that is a little over the top eg: not wanting people to post non-related reef stuff in the lounge section, well it bothers me and yes I feel the need to respond. I don't call others names but I can be sort of sarcastic but I try not to be outrightly rude. However I can see how it could offend others. If I have been overly offensive I apologize, I wasn't trying to be rude.

[Doug]

Now before i start this i want to state this really clear, i am not starting this thread to attack, annoy or start an argument. i am just stating an opinion.

its my opinion that lately we have become really aggressive on here. it seems like every 3 or 4th thread a war has begun and then it gets closed. i'm not sure why really. when i first started out this forum it got me to where i am today. you guys helped me out a ton whether you answered direct questions of mine or i was 'lurking' on your amazing tank journals and sucking up what ever info i could. but lately, in my opinion, it has become a buy & sell forum and a place to 'flash our keyboard muscle' at each other. having a difference in opinion is really good, as long as both parties respect each other and listen to the other. i actually prefer threads that the really experienced guys and new guys get on and debate back and forth on ideas and methods but i'm getting tired of following threads that when a difference in opinion is brought up, people attack each other.

maybe i'm out to lunch on this. i dont mean to sound like a sappy tree hugger but i would like to see this board go back to an easy going informative and fun website to go to. let me know what you think. is it just me feeling this way or do you feel the same way?

sorry for the rant, i guess it was my turn to vent tonight............


Well said Colin. Its unfortunate but like most public internet boards with a broad spectrum of members, these things happen at times. I agree its sad that an aquarium forum is used to vent ones feeling on other subjects. Keeps the staff busy, thats for sure.

[Aquattro]

So,what's wrong with sappy tree huggers ?

Well, they're all covered in sap for one thing...

[SuperFudge]

Colin,

Most of us are passionate about the hobby, its hard to not let that reflect in our replies or conversations to one another.

But, I agree , Step away from the keyboard !....go clean your skimmers you slackers ! :lol:

But during the years ive watched countless spats, more often longwinded debates where each tries to prove a point.....problem is, theres a point where noone learns from it anymore, and it becomes really about getting the last word or at the very least not step down in front of his peers.

I think something that we all should learn to do in our replies, is just before we hit the "submit" button.....ask yourself, will i or anyone else learn anything out of this reply ?

So beside the submit button....there should also be a reality check button.

I should say this is mostly on the big boards, but is also here, and it also excludes me because i wear a cape. :p

Hey, did you ever wonder who`s truly on display ? , our fish or us ?

I bet my fish say..."what the hell did he go and make for us now"..." "k, guys....when you see his head pop up over the back, just pretend your just want some food, and then lets all pull him in and drown the fool ! "

Now, if you all want the last word, become a Mod....they always truly have the last say...thread closed !

Marc.

[muck]

and it also excludes me because i wear a cape. :p
Yes, but you also wear your mom's leotards.. :eek: :surprise:

[christyf5]

Yes, but you also wear your mom's leotards.. :eek: :surprise:


and your undies on the outside :eek::razz:

[SuperFudge]

Hey....

errrr


Thread Closed ?

[muck]

Hey Marc,

I found a pic of you delivering a livestock order when HR had the free shipping promo. :lol:

http://www.kunsthaus.org.mx/Dulce/superman.jpg

[Aquattro]

Thread Closed ?

not until we finish discussing your, uh, super costume....:)

[christyf5]

Hey Marc,

I found a pic of you delivering a livestock order when HR had the free shipping promo. :lol:

http://www.kunsthaus.org.mx/Dulce/superman.jpg

:rofl:

Good thing its early so nobody could hear the bark of laughter I just let out! :razz:

[niloc16]

the undies on the outside wouldnts be so bad if he didnt wear his leopard g string....... not nice looking :lol:

[fishoholic]

Hey Marc,

I found a pic of you delivering a livestock order when HR had the free shipping promo. :lol:

http://www.kunsthaus.org.mx/Dulce/superman.jpg

:lol: :lol: :lol: LMAO!!!!!

[Joe Reefer]

So now we just make fun of Fudge at his expense, is this any better. :mrgreen:

[Der_Iron_Chef]

So now we just make fun of Fudge at his expense, is this any better. :mrgreen:

Yes :D

[rigger11]

niloc16 joined mar 06 post count 826

Der Iron Cheif joined oct 06 post count 1,383

sebae joined jan 07 post count 43

fishoholic joined may 07 post count 154

doug joined aug 01 post count 3,069 (staff)

reef raf joined aug 01 post count 7,673 (staff)

super fudge joined aug 01 post count 1,024

muck joined mar 04 post count 4,351 (staff)

christy5 joined aug 01 post count 5,231 (staff)

joe reefer joined jan 05 post count 961

ok so lets see here out of the 11 ppl posting here myself included (at the time i typed this)

4 ppl joined in 01 (my guess at the inception of this site)
1 person joined in 04
1 from 05
2 from 06
2 from 07
and myself (cant remember when i joined)

7 ppl have a post count near 1,000 or way over ( the lowest being 826 and highest being 7,673)

4 ppl are staffmembers of this site

and only 3 of us with considerably lower post counts

lets hear from the ppl that this post was directed at.........
times change this site is not going to be the same now as it was back in 01
the staff needs to see that and abapt with the change instead of just shooting down ideas of what members of the bord want to see.....
poll the members to see what they would like to see on the bord.......

[Redrover]

:drinking: Nice BOOT"S Fudge

[fishoholic]

So now we just make fun of Fudge at his expense, is this any better. :mrgreen:

As long as he knows we're just teasing him and it's all good natured, then YES :mrgreen: Besides, he set himself up with the cape comment!

[Johnny Reefer]

.... and myself (cant remember when i joined)....
January 2006.

[reeferaddict]

Good thread - and I share your sympathies. I had been a regular poster for quite a while and felt that by sharing my experiences I could spare others some of the same pains... for the most part I was right, but the flamers eventually drove me off. Now about the only time I post is when I see somebody being a real *edited*but even that doesn't seem to be a constructive use of my time - so now I just sit back & read for the most part.

[Doug]

the staff needs to see that and abapt with the change instead of just shooting down ideas of what members of the bord want to see.....
poll the members to see what they would like to see on the bord.......

:sad: And what may that be. Yea, we just shoot down the ideas. Especially the ones that would make discussions like this even more frequent.

Guess I have been here to long to change. Just an old fart. Guess us old ones had better move aside for new staff, that can make dramatic changes in the board. Oh yea, of course one would need to get that past the owner first. :smile:

[Doug]

Good thread - and I share your sympathies. I had been a regular poster for quite a while and felt that by sharing my experiences I could spare others some of the same pains... for the most part I was right, but the flamers eventually drove me off. Now about the only time I post is when I see somebody being a real *edited*... but even that doesn't seem to be a constructive use of my time - so now I just sit back & read for the most part.

Thats pretty harsh. We do have some problems but certainly not the flamers that some boards have or allow. For the most part we shut them down.

Canreef is a good board, with lots of good info and interesting topics. We, as staff, have to try to ride the line between editing or removing threads or not. Gets a little upsetting after awile, being called everything from a censor ******* and various other assorted body parts. :lol:

[fishface]

i dunno, i've been around this board for a few years and haven't really experienced too much anger, or maybe i just ignore it if i see it. guess i'm just lucky:).

[Moogled]

This whole thread sounds like some sort suggestion for a get-together and have a group hug.

I embrace the idea...but conceptually impossible. This is why we have Democracy/Communism, Liberal/Conservative, Pro/Anti Homosexuality, and Tangs in a 50g/Tangs in a 100g.

I don't particularly feel abashed that these thread wars are showing up, since opinions are personal and oftentimes very sensitive.

To say that it's become a place for people to "flex their keyboard muscle" is presumptuous. If that was the case, I'd be an ________ for getting angry at someone who flips out at a thread for no reason, and some other regular members would be jerks for pointing out Mik_101 and bv_reefer's spelling flaws with their sarcastic ruthlessness.

That said, moderators can certainly do what they've been posted to do, but you have to treat a forum just like real life:

If you don't like something about human nature, ignore it and chuckle about it with a buddy over a beer.

GG.

[Doug]

Geez, I just edited your thread again, same comments as the other thread. And you guys wonder what my problem is.

You just cant go around posting, calling other members derogatory names. And why pick on those two for spelling. Would you like a reference to all the posts from other members with terrible spelling, not to mention other things.

[Moogled]

This is where I'm really surprised. The last one was a good call, I called _____ a fool so good modding; I see where I was wrong and I wouldn't do it again. But you just edited my post again but not for the exact same reason. The supposedly derogatory term I just made wasn't even directed at anyone.

Since everything is so technical, please don't mind if I FAIRLY point out a boo boo that you probably didn't miss while you read through his post:

Good thread - and I share your sympathies. I had been a regular poster for quite a while and felt that by sharing my experiences I could spare others some of the same pains... for the most part I was right, but the flamers eventually drove me off. Now about the only time I post is when I see somebody being a real *edited*... but even that doesn't seem to be a constructive use of my time - so now I just sit back & read for the most part.

Once again:

Good thread - and I share your sympathies. I had been a regular poster for quite a while and felt that by sharing my experiences I could spare others some of the same pains... for the most part I was right, but the flamers eventually drove me off. Now about the only time I post is when I see somebody being a real >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*edited*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<... but even that doesn't seem to be a constructive use of my time - so now I just sit back & read for the most part.

And just in good spirit from now on, I'll PM you if I ever see anything that's unsuitable to be read.

FYI, I made sure that my post just now was void of anything insulting, so I'd be doubly surprised if it were edited yet again.

And no, I have never picked on those two for spelling, nor do I intentionally go around calling people XXXXers and other anatomical parts.

[Der_Iron_Chef]

*chews fingernails nervously*

I guess, considering the job that I do every week, any sort of drama on here is pretty low key. And quite frankly, most things aren't remotely important enough to warrant strong feelings on my behalf (except, obviously, a freshwater fish swimming with saltwater fish...he he).

There will be disagreements--obviously. But we can disagree with dignity and respect.

[Quagmire]

I haven't been on much recently,mostly due to summer and keeping busy with other things,so I haven't noticed much of a problem.Other than a recent incidence in the lounge that was handled fairly quickly.But I think a lot stems from there being so many different ways to have a successful tank,with more than a few of these ways working for some people but not for others.We need to keep that in mind when we read something being suggested,that in our experience didn't work.As an example I think we all for the most part,mix our water a day in advance.But a couple years ago I was at a guys place,who used to be on this board but is no longer with us.He checked his salinity,added salt to a jug or water,shook it up and added it to his tank.My jaw almost hit the floor,but he had a couple very nice healthy tanks.I never said a word,I wouldn't try it,but it works for him.

[rigger11]

" Guess I have been here to long to change. Just an old fart. Guess us old ones had better move aside for new staff,"

never said that or implied it, jsut need to be more open about what the members of the bord would like to see. its quit apparent that more then just a few of the members think of you guys *** "censoring********"

[Snappy]

Being a mod is a thankless job and I think we all need to remember they are volunteers just trying to help us out and make this board a better environment for learning and the sharing of ideas. Fact is they are human too.
I have said this several times before in threads similar to this but part of the problem is that with the written word "emotions" and "tones" are often very ambiguous and people can take offence where none is meant. Things are often stated very "matter of fact" and when read they generally sound worse than they were intended to be. Now because that is the case we should proof read our responses and confirm that we have actually said what we are trying to say, and yes maybe even catch the odd type-o.
A wise man once said " never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupiity." Now that doesn't mean people are stupid but that people are often self-absorbed and don't think about how they might impact others with their actions. Most things shouldn't be taken personally.
I think we may all need a little thicker skin and do our best to treat other people the way we would like to be treated. There should never be a need to try and publicly humiliate anyone, if you feel that strongly that something must be said, send a pm and work it out between the two of you. I think the old saying "consider the source" can apply more often than not so a nasty reply is most likely unnecessary.:wink:

[rigger11]

pms dont work youll still get banned if ya say the wrong thing

[Moogled]

Untrue.

Mods here are much more respectful and mature than other sites, but it's always a problem because sometimes they won't always understand the intentions behind your written word, as Greg finely stated.

This may potentially lead to banning because you don't conform to what their values of mannerisms are. What may be offensive to them may not be to another person.

Moderating is not like the law but their impression makes it out to be.

[rigger11]

pm to you sir

explaining myself for above

[Snappy]

pms dont work youll still get banned if ya say the wrong thing
Then say it in a civilized manner. There is never a need to be rude. When I coached soccer I would tell my players they were not allowed to swear, for one I don't like it but mainly it is a sign of a lazy vocabulary. Swearing is saying what comes easy without having to put any thought into it. I am sure that if a pm was sent that got a point across in a mature manner there would be no reason for a ban. Now that said, I had really hoped that readers of my post would not take the pm statement as the point I was trying to make. (no offence) I guess I must not have explained myself very well.

[rigger11]

oh no you were quite clear

im just stateing that with past experiences with ppl i know pms dont work

[Doug]

This is where I'm really surprised. The last one was a good call, I called _____ a fool so good modding; I see where I was wrong and I wouldn't do it again. But you just edited my post again but not for the exact same reason. The supposedly derogatory term I just made wasn't even directed at anyone.

You did mention his name again with the comment, so I edited it.

Since everything is so technical, please don't mind if I FAIRLY point out a boo boo that you probably didn't miss while you read through his post:



Once again:



And just in good spirit from now on, I'll PM you if I ever see anything that's unsuitable to be read.

FYI, I made sure that my post just now was void of anything insulting, so I'd be doubly surprised if it were edited yet again.

And no, I have never picked on those two for spelling, nor do I intentionally go around calling people XXXXers and other anatomical parts.

The other quote although a bit rude, never mentioned anyone by name and I did comment on it. The reference to some of the pm,s we get, was a general comment regarding moderating threads and not directed at anyone.

[Doug]

times change this site is not going to be the same now as it was back in 01
the staff needs to see that and abapt with the change instead of just shooting down ideas of what members of the bord want to see.....
poll the members to see what they would like to see on the bord.......

So what exactly does this mean then, if its not a direct challenge to the staff for not changing with the times. {whatever that means}.

Thanks

[Moogled]

You did mention his name again with the comment, so I edited it.


If his mentioned name was the only problem, then I trust you have no problem with me re-editing back to what I wrote BARRING the mentioning of his name.


The other quote although a bit rude, never mentioned anyone by name and I did comment on it. The reference to some of the pm,s we get, was a general comment regarding moderating threads and not directed at anyone.

I see. It would seem that my mistake here was not using the profane word but rather mentioning the Canreef user since you only commented on what TheReeferGuy wrote but never really took overt action in editing out his choice of linguistics. If I'm wrong about this, then it would be safe to assume that next time I read that thread, it will have been edited by you for "profanity."

[Aquattro]

times change this site is not going to be the same now as it was back in 01
the staff needs to see that and abapt with the change instead of just shooting down ideas of what members of the bord want to see.....
poll the members to see what they would like to see on the bord.......

oh god, enough already. We're not having a vendor rating forum, so stop.

[Doug]

Untrue.

Mods here are much more respectful and mature than other sites, but it's always a problem because sometimes they won't always understand the intentions behind your written word, as Greg finely stated.

Thank-you for that. :smile:

This may potentially lead to banning because you don't conform to what their values of mannerisms are. What may be offensive to them may not be to another person.

We do not take a ban lightly and its fully discussed and agreed on by most all of the staff before any action is taken. And this usually follows one or more warnings, depending on the severity of the problem.

Moderating is not like the law but their impression makes it out to be.

Not sure what this means, so I will just :smile: .

[Moogled]

Not sure what this means, so I will just :smile: .

I'm embarrassed to say it but my posts are sometimes 5 steps behind my thoughts so I may not even make sense!

:S :S :S

[SuperFudge]

Hey Marc,

I found a pic of you delivering a livestock order when HR had the free shipping promo. :lol:

http://www.kunsthaus.org.mx/Dulce/superman.jpg

LMAO !

Thats not my bike, i stole that from your kid !... mine had dingle balls silly ! :D

Hey how come when a thread starts to degenerate into meaningless spew....my super costumes and under attire become the focus of all your attention ?

If you dont believe me, a small search brings up some exerpts from as late as 7 years ago....


troy
"Marc if you twist in a counter clock-wise motion you should have your panties unbunched in no time."

darren
"you aren't referring to Marc and those panties are you?"

andrew
"I may just require even more therapy now that I have envisioned Marc in a pink thong and Daisy Dukes.... "

brad
"Sorry Marc, you can't come unless you're wearing these..."

colin
"i think a 'borat' swimsuit would go well with the cape."

Christy
"and wear your undies on the outside of your pants"


If i was a mod id ban all of you froot loops for violating the UA ! :mrgreen:

Lucky im sure you all secretly like to see me in them ! :p

[Aquattro]

Lucky im sure you all secretly like to see me in them ! :p

I know I would! And I want my camera with me when I do!!!

[hawk]

This is a mellow board, I don't see many threads getting out of hand or in need of locking (which thankfully doesn't happen often). Members for the most part are respectful of each other when disagreements occur. Every reefer has a different or more likely several opinion(s) on any given subject, so the occasional dust-up should be expected. I'm surprised there isn't more.
I use to frequent a billiard forum that allows any topic including politics/religion. In a real pool hall there was always a threat of getting a cue to the chops if you were too mouthy. In the pool forum there were no such constraints so it could get pretty wild. The funny thing is that two or three guys would go at each other over several days, until all of a sudden a new subject came up and all was forgotten and they carried on as nothing happened.

[rigger11]

So what exactly does this mean then, if its not a direct challenge to the staff for not changing with the times. {whatever that means}.

Thanks

it is a direct challenge to change with the times.....

i just never said you should move over for "new" mods just for you (i say this as a whole) to change the way things are taken care of on here!

[rigger11]

oh god, enough already. We're not having a vendor rating forum, so stop.


i didnt bring it up,you did, sounds to me as if your still stuck on it

[rigger11]

If his mentioned name was the only problem, then I trust you have no problem with me re-editing back to what I wrote BARRING the mentioning of his name.



I see. It would seem that my mistake here was not using the profane word but rather mentioning the Canreef user since you only commented on what TheReeferGuy wrote but never really took overt action in editing out his choice of linguistics. If I'm wrong about this, then it would be safe to assume that next time I read that thread, it will have been edited by you for "profanity."

i still see no editing being done about this matter

does this mean it is ok for us to use profanity as long as we us"$" instead of the letter"S"

pretty sure we are all old enough to figure out what it means

[fishoholic]

:sad: And what may that be. Yea, we just shoot down the ideas. Especially the ones that would make discussions like this even more frequent.

Guess I have been here to long to change. Just an old fart. Guess us old ones had better move aside for new staff, that can make dramatic changes in the board. Oh yea, of course one would need to get that past the owner first. :smile:

Personally I think you are doing a good job. Sometimes people on here as in everyday life are annoying (I'm sure myself included at times) and things being said are going to spark emotions. I don't know to many people who haven't crossed the line at some point in their life or at least come a little to close to it. Face it I usually can tell when I have done this is, so I'm sure others can as well. That is why we have mods to keep us in line, kind of like a principal at school but with a better sense of humor :biggrin: There are of course politer ways to disagree with one another but there are times when you know you could/should of but just don't want to.

[justinl]

Ill say that i think that this particular board is the best one around. well managed and well looked after. i doubt very much that new members want to join into canreef to be harassed without some kind of guardian angel over them.

if we wanted a board without mods, then NR is just a click away. I do frequent NR, because i dont mind it too much, but if it were up to me, I would keep canreef just the way it is now.

as fishoholic pointed out, sometimes we just spew garbage, if we dont think. ...or even if we DO think and just decide to do it anyways. Im guilty of it. Im sure most of us are, and Im not terribly proud of it. I think dealing with disagreements in a civilised manner (PM or otherwise) is not a gut wrenchingly difficult thing to do and if we aren't capable of it... well, like i said, NR is a great place to vent.

[SeaHorse_Fanatic]

I mod another fish board & for those who've never done it, let me tell you that it is generally a thankless job because it is impossible to please everyone. If you mod & edit someone's post, they'll often get mad at you & cry "Censorship!" However, if you don't, then you'll have other members mad at you for not doing your job & keeping the board clean or not enforcing the rules.

I personally think the mods at Canreef have been doing a very good job & should be commended for their willingness to volunteer their time. Mods become mods not for the "power" as some people seem to think, but it's because they love this hobby & have a passion for it & for their "home" board.

Any time I've had a disagreement or other concern, the mods here have been more than willing to discuss the situation. So thank you all for being willing to step up & help this community with your valuable service.

Personally, my pet peeve is people who think that the internet's anonymousness can allow them to become cyber-bullies & write offensive things that they would never dream of saying to the member in person. The mods here have been very good at stopping that sort of behaviour.

Keep up the good work.

Anthony

[Doug]

Thanks for all the good comments and support. Believe me, its appreciated by the staff. Well said Anthony. We are just aquarists, trying to help keep our great "aquarium" board on track. And speaking for myself, I have been in a few heated debates over the years, on various boards, so I dont speak from some kind of "holier" staff position. :D

I still have trouble understanding some of the problems we have on aquarium boards, mostly over off topic discussions. Thats not the main purpose of this board. As others said above, there are boards for that and lounge,s on certain reef boards where you enter at your own risk.

Why would one not go there and argue if thats their wish.

[Doug]

i still see no editing being done about this matter

does this mean it is ok for us to use profanity as long as we us"$" instead of the letter"S"

pretty sure we are all old enough to figure out what it means

:sad: Unbelievable. Fine, I edited out all reference,s to that "word". I,m tired of arguing.

And I wish this thread to still remain open for the sake of constructive discussions.

[Snappy]

I think there are a lot of people that like to argue simply for the sake of arguing. :wink:

[Doug]

I think there are a lot of people that like to argue simply for the sake of arguing. :wink:


I agree and I may be one of them. :lol: But the correct boards should be used for that particular purpose.

[Der_Iron_Chef]

Let us, for a moment, consider the title of this thread.

It's ironic (but perhaps should have been expected) that this thread proved the very point the original poster was trying to make!

Let's all simmer. Step back a bit.

[hawk]

That is why we have mods to keep us in line, kind of like a principal at school but with a better sense of humor.

A good mod is like good referee. At the end of the game you shouldn't have even noticed him/her being there. We are all (most anyway) adults and really don't need to be treated as school kids or even worse needing a babysitter as was previously mentioned.

[hawk]

.

if we wanted a board without mods, then NR is just a click away. I do frequent NR, because i dont mind it too much, but if it were up to me, I would keep canreef just the way it is now.

.

What's NR

[Der_Iron_Chef]

A good mod is like good referee. At the end of the game you shouldn't have even noticed him/her being there. We are all (most anyway) adults and really don't need to be treated as school kids or even worse needing a babysitter as was previously mentioned.

I'm frustrated...but I'm politely frustrated :)

Mods wouldn't need to treat people like school kids if people didn't sometimes behave like school kids. Mature grown ups don't hurl nasty epithets and degrading sarcastic remarks at others. Or at least they shouldn't.

When you join an online board, you have to agree to certain terms and conditions. If we all followed those terms and conditions, we'd all have spared ourselves a lot of time reading and responding in this thread, and could have spent the time cleaning our glass or daydreaming about starphire and deltecs and vortechs. Mmmm.....

[hawk]

Any group of people, I don't care who they are from Quakers to politicians are going to have disagreements, some will turn to arguments, some of those will get heated. Just the way the world works my friend. To expect that Canreef or any board is going to 100% free of conflict is ridiculous. People need to stop making mountains out of molehills. Canreef has a good membership and is run well, to tighten things up further will be a real shame.

[fishface]

Any group of people, I don't care who they are from Quakers to politicians are going to have disagreements, some will turn to arguments, some of those will get heated. Just the way the world works my friend. To expect that Canreef or any board is going to 100% free of conflict is ridiculous. People need to stop making mountains out of molehills. Canreef has a good membership and is run well, to tighten things up further will be a real shame.very well spoken ...thank you hawk.

[Der_Iron_Chef]

Any group of people, I don't care who they are from Quakers to politicians are going to have disagreements, some will turn to arguments, some of those will get heated. Just the way the world works my friend. To expect that Canreef or any board is going to 100% free of conflict is ridiculous. People need to stop making mountains out of molehills. Canreef has a good membership and is run well, to tighten things up further will be a real shame.

Oh, I never assume that Canreef should be 100% free of conflict. I just assume that there's always a civil way to deal with that conflict.

Carry on....

[hawk]

A good mod is like good referee. At the end of the game you shouldn't have even noticed him/her being there. We are all (most anyway) adults and really don't need to be treated as school kids or even worse needing a babysitter as was previously mentioned.

I should clarify, when I said "not notice him/her" I meant in the capacity of mod. Mod contributions to regular threads are an obvious benefit to the community.

[justinl]

yes i agree that a mod is like a good ref. but even good referees have to say "this is where i draw the line, this is where i step in." there are set rules (set by the owner of the board), mods keep the rules, we abide to them. if we dont abide to the rules and insist on making our own, then theres no point in having the ref to keep them are there? sometimes a ref HAS to step in, not because they want to or because they simply can, but because the players themselves are out of line.

thankfully, i find that our "refs" dont need to step in as often as in some other boards.

NR stands for nano-reef. great site for nano aquariums... obviously. www.nano-reef.com

[Doug]

I'm frustrated...but I'm politely frustrated :)

Mods wouldn't need to treat people like school kids if people didn't sometimes behave like school kids. Mature grown ups don't hurl nasty epithets and degrading sarcastic remarks at others. Or at least they shouldn't.

When you join an online board, you have to agree to certain terms and conditions. If we all followed those terms and conditions, we'd all have spared ourselves a lot of time reading and responding in this thread, and could have spent the time cleaning our glass or daydreaming about starphire and deltecs and vortechs. Mmmm.....

Well since everyone else is commenting, I will say "amen" and "thank-you" for that post. :smile:

[Doug]

Any group of people, I don't care who they are from Quakers to politicians are going to have disagreements, some will turn to arguments, some of those will get heated. Just the way the world works my friend. To expect that Canreef or any board is going to 100% free of conflict is ridiculous. People need to stop making mountains out of molehills. Canreef has a good membership and is run well, to tighten things up further will be a real shame.

Cant argue with that either but then thats why there are moderators. Just in reference to your last sentence, there are none, nor have there been plans to tighten things up. We try to stay someplace between boards that have free for alls and others that have a very strict policy.

[PoonTang]

I think i'll just stay completely stay out of this one. I caused enough of a stir last week :twised: