Joe Reefer's Inwall 120 V2.0 (Updated)

[Joe Reefer]

Well folks, Its time to start a thread on the tank I have been working on the last six months or so.

The system will consist of:

-120 gallon display (48x24x24)
-30 gallon sump
-20 gallon prop
-20 gallon fuge

Equipment:
-Panworld 200ps (main circulator)
-AB Aquatics 56" dual recirc. beckett
-Tunze wavebox
-Tunze Stream 6100 w/controller
-Tunze Stream 6060
-AB Aquatics kalk reactor
-DIY calcium reactor

Display Lighting:
-2x250w megachrome c/w lumenarc mini reflectors, pfo e-ballasts
-2x48" T5 actinic c/w reflectors and IceCap 430 ballast

Prop Lighting:
1 250w HQI 10k XM c/w icecap ballast and pfo reflector

[Joe Reefer]

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[Joe Reefer]

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[Delphinus]

Holy mackerel, nice setup.

Question, why did you go with 2 bends on the intake side of your sump return? It looks like the pump could have fit sitting perpendicular (although sticking out a little) and then you'd only have to worry about one 90 degree bend.

(To be honest I'm not sure about this whole restricting the input of pump, about how far you need to go with that. I had 2 90's on my pump a few years ago but I stepped up the pipe size to be on the safe side, things were fine. But I've seen people not feel right about even using a bushing on a pipe to fit a 1.5" pump input to a 1" bulkead. So I'm not sure where I sit on this one.)

I was gonna comment about how clean the plumbing looks, but then I realized after looking at the skimmer closeup that they must be dryfitted in the first few pictures there. :p Nevertheless that is an amazing maze of pipework, good work!! :cool:

How does the fuge drain into the sump, I don't see the drain line for that one? Come to think of it .. I don't see the feed line going into the tank, is it capped off for now? I see it start and can follow it along to a point, then suddenly I don't see it anymore.

[OCDP]

The plumbing hurts my head.

Looks like one bad ass setup. Looking forward to the progression.

[Joe Reefer]

The was no real reason for the extra bends on the return side of the pump. I did know how I wanted the supply manifold postioned so this was what drove the pump location. On a side note the pump performs better than I expected and is amazingly quiet.

The upper prop tank drains into the fuge below then out the side of the fuge back to the sump.

I know the glue job looks bad but there was not one leak when I tested the tank with fresh water and to be honest I planned on painting all the plumbing when done, but it probably isn't going to happen now.

[Murminator]

Musta finally got cold enough to motivate you to get it outta garage so you can park in there huh? :razz:
Looks awesome man I love this set up can't wait till everything is moved over

[Delphinus]

The glue job looks fine, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. Just that I thought you had done all clear primer/cement until I had a closer look.

Ok so if the line I was thinking was the fuge feed isn't ... is it just an extra line for "just in case"? On your manifold it's the one on the left. I see a pipe extend out to the filter sock but I can't make out where it goes from there. That's the one I was asking if it's capped off?

[Joe Reefer]

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[Murminator]

probably for water changes that what I did....just pump off into a pail

[adidas]

nice work. nice drywalling, wanna come down and do my drywall? :razz:

[mark]

Looks great even without water

[Joe Reefer]

This sucks with a 50gal/day RO unit. Its more like 30/day!
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[Skimmerking]

looks good there buddy liking the box on the side you need another one on the other side thou to even out the look
:mrgreen:

[hqgc]

How did you hide that pump in the rock? very interesting..............

[Skimmerking]

its called a tunze decorating rock

[hqgc]

its called a tunze decorating rock


Well, that's new for me, great idea!

[Joe Reefer]

This (http://www.jlaquatics.com/phpstore/store_pages/details/pumps.php?product_ID=tz-ztsrock) is what the rock is.

[Matt]

Hey Lando, that's looking awesome. I'll have a few frags for you when you get that all working, as a bribe for an invitation to gawk.

Matt

[Joe Reefer]

Well I got most of the rock moved tonight. The rest will be done over the weekend.

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[muck]

Tank looks empty now Lando. I think you need more rock.. :razz:

[mr_alberta]

No way man, I think it looks great like that. More room for the fish to swim in.

[muck]

Looks like your tank Harv.. minus the corals. :lol:

[Joe Reefer]

I have about 30lbs left in the other tank and some in the sump I found that the more rock I added, the more the flow dynamics I was looking for diminished, so this is what I am left with. I was shooting for a reef top zone.

[mr_alberta]

Looks like your tank Harv.. minus the corals. :lol:


Hmm, maybe that's why I'm partial to it :lol:

Soon it'll look better than my tank...my tank is about to become an empty glass box :razz:

[Joe Reefer]

Time for some frags!!
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Happy Clams
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[Skimmerking]

Lando I love your last 2 clams man

[Joe Reefer]

Purple Digi
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Yellow Acro
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[Joe Reefer]

So my tank sprouted a few colonies overnight. :mrgreen:

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[Joe Reefer]

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[Joe Reefer]

Oh and one of the prop.

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[Skimmerking]

looks good there Lando love the green acros you have there ...:mrgreen:

tiem to do a water change lots of crap settling on the bottom

[mr_alberta]

Dayam man! Those are THE nicest acro I've ever seen! You must have gotten those from a MASTER REEFER or something...:mrgreen:

[Murminator]

Looks good Lando :mrgreen:

[Delphinus]

Coming together awesome now! :cool:

[Joe Reefer]

Dayam man! Those are THE nicest acro I've ever seen! You must have gotten those from a MASTER REEFER or something...:mrgreen:

A master reefer that has lost his way. :mrgreen:

[Joe Reefer]

Well phase 2 of the basement has comenced. This room is where my old 72 was. I wanted to move the tank over before I started making a mess. Here are some pics:

No more crappy wall board!!
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I hope this side of the tank doesn't take as long. :mrgreen:

[Skimmerking]

looks good buddy

[mark]

now that room sure looks different

[muck]

:eek: Damn dude. The room looks nekid.

[Skimmerking]

:eek: Damn dude. The room looks nekid. Where is BOB I when you need him RYAN it's naked not nekid.


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[michika]

That is a huge difference! I remember the TV, and everything, and now its bare!

It will look awesome when its all done!

[Joe Reefer]

I got my new camera this week still trying to figure it out.

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[Joe Reefer]

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[michika]

The scopas tang is beautiful!

[mark]

Looks like you got the camera figured, nice. When you fragging?

[Joe Reefer]

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[Joe Reefer]

one more pic:

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[Joe Reefer]

FTS 4/24/07
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[Skimmerking]

Looks really good there Lando. too bad that you have red bugs:cry:

[Joe Reefer]

Grrrrrh stupid bugs!!!:bad-word:

[Delphinus]

Dang dude the tank's looking awesome. I love the shot with the trigger sort of silhouetted above the rock. Love the triggers, too chicken to try one but ... hmmm do you think a niger trigger would hunt out pest crabs??

[Joe Reefer]

To be honest, my niger doesn't look for anything other than food coming from above. Tony maybe you should try a undulate trigger or some type of trigger that is more prone to eating crabs and snails.

[Delphinus]

Ah .. I was just fantasizing. I've got cleaners and peppermints in the tank in question and don't really have another place for them (other tank has a flame hawk). It's the amazing coral-less tank (stupid crabs .. well OK to be fair it's not just the crabs, it's the gargantuan anemone and the skyhigh nitrates too, but the crabs don't help. Apparently it's just something I like complaining about.)

[Snappy]

Hey Lando,
I'm not sure how I missed this thread but it's never too late to catch the wave. Sweet setup and nice looking tank.:mrgreen:

[Reefhawk1]

Nice setup Lando :mrgreen:

[Joe Reefer]

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[Joe Reefer]

Thanks guys.

I was able to snap some decent pics tonight.

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[Joe Reefer]

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[Skimmerking]

freakin awesome man

[fastfish]

Wow..what a beautiful tank! I like all the "pinks" from your tank! :mrgreen:

[michika]

Full tank shot!!!

Its looking really good. Is that angel from Harvey¿

[Joe Reefer]

Yeah.....the angels are from Harvey.

[wickedfrags]

Great looking tank from beginning to end. Love the layout, and organization.

Question for you - are you concerned about having a rock fall down from your aquascaping and cracking the glass? I thought the reason people who go BB use that starboard was to protect the bottom pane of glass from falling rocks? At the same time I do see yours are not piles to high.

[Joe Reefer]

Thanks 220, I am not too concerned about falling rocks cracking the glass. They are placed strategically so hopefully I wont come home to 120 gallons on the floor. :mrgreen:

[wickedfrags]

Ya it looks pretty stable and low as well. Is the bottom panel tempered? Either way the liklihood of cracking is pretty low I imagine.

Thanks 220, I am not too concerned about falling rocks cracking the glass. They are placed strategically so hopefully I wont come home to 120 gallons on the floor. :mrgreen:

[Joe Reefer]

No its not tempered.

[muck]

Looking good there Lando.
That stubby pink birdsnest is my favorite.. :mrgreen:

[mr_alberta]

:mrgreen: Whoa buddy, quit playing Forza and come update your thread!!

[Redrover]

Hey Joe nice pic's...What camera did you get...Great looking tank

RJ

[Joe Reefer]

:mrgreen: Whoa buddy, quit playing Forza and come update your thread!!

Yeah Yeah, maybe tonight!:mrgreen:

[michika]

What happened to tonight? :P :D

[Joe Reefer]

It turned into tomorrow.:mrgreen:

[michika]

It turned into tomorrow.:mrgreen:

:lol:

I guess I'll just have to wait for the show :popcorn:

[Joe Reefer]

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[Joe Reefer]

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[surgeonfish]

Nice looking corals. That birdsnest is great. Keep up the pictures.

[michika]

Yay! Photos!

[SuperFudge]

Nice Job Lando !

Are you liking the niger ?

I have two in my display, though they have been good with the corals it seems the bigger they are getting the more agressive they are becoming.

I tried 4 fire fish....they ate one before it even seen the inside of the tank and another about 10 mins after that.
I have two left, i just cant figure out why they left these two alone.

Good work,
Marc.

[Joe Reefer]

The niger is great, the scopas keeps him inline for the most part. He does have to be the first to eat though.

[Joe Reefer]

A little update on the rest of the room.

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[michika]

Still looks pretty empty! :D

Do you plan to return the room how it was, or do you have any other plans for it?

How about an updated equipment room photo?

[Joe Reefer]

EMPTY! That sure took the wind out of my sails.

The room will be used for the same purposes as before just upgraded with new furniture etc. and a tank in the wall.:biggrin:

[michika]

Sounds like it will be nice and cozy when its done.

[Joe Reefer]

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[Joe Reefer]

my bad

[michika]

Its looks great, especially your new angel. How is he getting along with the female?

[saltynuts]

wow look at all the frags!
you go to work at what time. LOL
looks awesome i,ll have to come and look again!

[Joe Reefer]

I think its time to clean the back glass.

[Redrover]

Hey Lando, dam nice garden...love the fish...more pic's:morning:

[Delphinus]

Have you considered an urchin? That's one of the reasons I keep some. :)

I think its time to clean the back glass.

[Joe Reefer]

I did not know that urchins keep glass clean.

[Delphinus]

It depends on what urchin and what algae you have, but, for example, in my 110g I have a diadema and green urchin and man are they pretty voracious little lawnmowers.

I had a fuzzy type algae growing over coraline on the back glass of my other tank, and a blue tuxedo urchin took care of that pretty lickedy-split. But, it's also an eater of coraline. Although I don't find that to be a problem because what happens is the spores get spread out and thus you have new coraline growth being spread. So it evens out.

I dunno, maybe YMMV but I like having 'em, I find them useful. :)

[Joe Reefer]

I missed the urchin class at reef school.:redface: What is a YMMV urchin. Are blue tuxedos' hard to find.

[Delphinus]

Oh - sorry - YMMV = "Your mileage may vary" -> maybe not all opinions of urchins are like mine, I don't know. They seem to be raspers of hard surfaces. Not a silver bullet for algae control but they definitely help just the same as other herbivores. They seem to be available from time to time.

[Joe Reefer]

Time for a update.

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[Joe Reefer]

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[Delphinus]

Bam! Very nice, I like the pinks.

I might think about losing the caulerpa though. That's a guaranteed headache for you sooner or later (having it in the main display that is). I put some in my tank in 2002 - it still shows up every few months despite I-don't-know-how-many-times I've "eradicated" it. Apparently it's also not good for SPS in close proximity due to allelopathy. (Although I can't say that it looks like your SPS growth is stunted. :) )

[Der_Iron_Chef]

Lando, I think I saw that pink birdsnest on frags.org. I'd like a frag sometime :)

As well, do I see the back glass cleaned from the previous pics? My glass looks similar, but I've been hesitant to clean it....mostly because I don't know how. Will there be chunks of stuff floating around the tank?!?!

But your tank looks GREAT. Love all the SPS. And, of course, the Watanabes...if that is what they are.

[mark]

filling out nicely

[Joe Reefer]

The caulerpa came out of nowhere, I never wanted any macro in the display. Eventually when I get time I am going to get rid of it. Hopefully sooner than later. The halimedia is also becoming a PIA.

Chef: I used a easy blade scaper to clean the glass. Yes stuff was floating everywhere and as you can see I am not finished yet.

[michika]

Wow, it looks like you've had amazing growth and new colors since the J&L order we did awhile back!

[Jason McK]

WOW looks fantastic.
I have had caulerpa issues in the past. Best to find time soon. If you don't want it in the tank it will be your worst nightmare

J

[Delphinus]

If you don't want it in the tank it will be your worst nightmare

I have to agree with the "worst nightmare" part. The stuff is insidious and it has an almost intelligence to it. For example, I'll find it growing in spots I can't see from the front of the tank. How does it know where to grow where I won't see it (and thus won't prune it)? Obviously it's just coincidence but it's happened often enough to me that I find it a bit weird that it's doing that.

[Jason McK]

Exactly the same thing happend to me.
In my old 75 I had a few spots that I would prune and make all nice. But when I tore the tank down my rock work was glued together with the stuff. pounds of it. and you know you couldn't see it from the front.

J

[Joe Reefer]

I know what you mean, I have been trying to keep it in check but it really is smart stuff.

[Der_Iron_Chef]

So here's my question: if it's in the back and you can't see it...then why bother? Doesn't it out-compete things like hair algae and bubble algae? Wouldn't that be a good thing? Or is it just the fact that, if it's in the back, behind everything, it will continue to spread to the front and be a nuisance?

[Joe Reefer]

It can go sexual a release bad stuff into the water, I believe some people have had tank crashes do to this happening. The main problem I am having is it is really hard to pull off the rock the main stock is attached every couple inches or so.

[untamed]

It can go sexual a release bad stuff into the water, I believe some people have had tank crashes do to this happening. The main problem I am having is it is really hard to pull off the rock the main stock is attached every couple inches or so.

I always had both calurpa and Halimeda growing in my previous tank, and they "went off" frequently. I never saw any adverse affects on the tank as a result. It was a very small tank also (35gal), so the potential to influence the tank was much higher than your system.

[Skimmerking]

Lando the tank is looking really good man, lots of growth since i saw it last from the pictures, well done

[Joe Reefer]

New Blue Throat Trigger Pair
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I think they like each other.:biggrin:

[Skimmerking]

Nice Picture of the triggers man .

[Joe Reefer]

A few top downers,

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[michika]

Awe! They look like they are kissing!

[Skimmerking]

man you have some nice growth and thick stems

[untamed]

It does look like those two triggers get along. I haven't seen my male blue throat ever behave nicely to the female.

Get some food into that male...he's thin.

[Joe Reefer]

Get some food into that male...he's thin.

Really? They are both really small at the moment. My female clown is almost bigger.

[michika]

Is the male the one on the right?

[Joe Reefer]

Yes, he is on the right.

[michika]

So how big are they, and where did they come from?

[Joe Reefer]

They are from BA. Picked them up a few weeks ago. They were in the prop tank for observation till sunday. I would say they are about 2".

[Delphinus]

Wow, nice fish. But wow, too, to the colours of your SPS man. Very nice!!!

[Joe Reefer]

This weekend a friend and I cleaned all the rock of algae and did a little redesign to the scape. What do you guys think?

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[Der_Iron_Chef]

I think it looks GREAT. I love all your pinks/purples/reds.

[Skimmerking]

It looks like CRAP what are you doing sticking your hands in the tank.:mrgreen:

love the aquascape Lando

[Jason McK]

WOW looks great

[mark]

I like it alot, with the gap gives that natural look the oregan reef (http://www.oregonreef.com/sub_aquascaping.htm) tank is known for.

[Delphinus]

It looks awesome!

[Joe Reefer]

Thanks guys. Now the display is fixed up, I have found some new ambition towards some other maintenance thats been neglected over the past summer. Water changes whats that? Maybe I'll even do some water param tests.

[mark]

From the colours in the pictures, do you really want to be changing your routines?

[Joe Reefer]

Well I can't remember the last time I changed some water. That can't be good. :redface:

[tang daddy]

lando looks great do you use any dosing, I wanna see colours like that in my tank!

[Doug]

:D Agreed. Looks really good. Some very nice colours.

[Skimmerking]

I dont understand lando, what your saying is that you have been lacking the maintence in the tank and your tank looks awesome, me on the other hand, i do water changes and other testing and i cant get the tank looking right HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM weird

[Joe Reefer]

The tank was getting taken over by halimedia and some caulerpa. When all the work was done, there was almost a whole 5 gallon pail of algae.

Your tank looks fine to me, don't sweat the small stuff. Everyones tank has to find an equilibrium, and every tank has a different equilibrium. IMO you worry to much about the small things, and never stick with anything long enough to find out if its working or not. (Sorry that sounded kinda harsh, but it wasn't ment to be.) :wink:

[Skimmerking]

no not at all Lando good point, I tend to move around alot with this hobby it seems i can't fined that happy medium.

thanks for the points thou

[Joe Reefer]

Changed all my bulbs this week, I switched the actinics from actinic+ to pure actinic. No change on the MH though just new bulbs. One thing I have to say is..when just the actinics are on the colors sure are amazing. They are a little dimmer but the fluorescence is crazy compared to the actinic+. I cant figure out my camera when trying to take a pic with actinics. Here is couple shots before the MH turned off.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG_3821.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG_3801.jpg

[Joe Reefer]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG_3852.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG_3818.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG_3776.jpg

[Delphinus]

Love the Stylo and Poci. These are definitely my favourite corals ... gotta love those pinks/fuscias.

[mark]

great colours, what K are the MH?

[Joe Reefer]

Megachrome 14500k

[Joe Reefer]

Ok, time for some more pictures.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG021.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG030.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG047-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG053-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG055.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG062.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG065.jpg

[Joe Reefer]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG085.jpg

[muck]

Tank is looking amazing there Lando!!

Would get my vote for TOTM.. :mrgreen:

[Chowder]

Tank looks awsome Lando. Your getting great colour out of your SPS.

[Joe Reefer]

Thanks guys! I was asked for some fish room pics the other day. I will try and get some shots tonight.

[Delphinus]

The reds and pinks dominate! That's an awesome looking setup, can't get tired of looking at it. :)

[Joe Reefer]

The reds and pinks dominate! That's an awesome looking setup, can't get tired of looking at it. :)

So more pics then? :mrgreen:

[muck]

So more pics then? :mrgreen:

Yes Please.. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[Snappy]

Wow Lando, big change since I was there last. Looks awesome!!! You have my vote as well.:mrgreen: I see you got the basement finished. Nice job.:wink:

[Joe Reefer]

Thanks Greg, I don't think its TOTM worthy yet maybe someday though. The basement is 97.5% finished but it will probably take me a year to finish that 2.5%.

Wow Lando, big change since I was there last. Looks awesome!!! You have my vote as well.:mrgreen: I see you got the basement finished. Nice job.:wink:

[Skimmerking]

I have a bet then Lando i will have my basement redone and the new tank up and running by the time you have your rec room finished. oh ya love the tnak man looking really good lots of growth



lol

mike

[Joe Reefer]

I'll take that bet.








Only because that part of the reno is actually a 100% finished. :razz:

[michika]

Looks great, but I think someone is missing from your last photo. Where is your horse-like dog, he is the second best part about going to your place.

Do you dose anything?

[Joe Reefer]

No dosing per say. I run a calcium reactor and sometimes dose magnesium when required. I feed the tank oyster eggs once a week and the fish daily.

The moose-like dog (we changed his classification cause he grew more :smile:) was sleeping upstairs when the pictures were taken.

[rusty]

Wow, looks a little nicer than mine right now!
pm sent

[Joe Reefer]

As promised some fish room pictures.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG110.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG104.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG101.jpg

Freshly cleaned skimmer.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG102.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG111.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG119.jpg

[dsaundry]

Loved watching your system take shape. Looks awesome. I was told you couldnt have Triggers in with corals. So my question is this. Have the Triggers taken out any corals since the last update? Thanks:biggrin:

[Joe Reefer]

No problem with the triggers so far. I have also had niger trigger in this tank will no ill effects on the coral. It was however very hard on my stomatella snails. The blue throats don't seem to bother anything.

[Skimmerking]

Lando looks good man , time for a room cleaning lots of Salt creep on the sump shame on you for not cleaning that off...:razz:

[Joe Reefer]

At least I keep my tanks running long enough to get salt creep. :razz:

[muck]

oooh.. :onfire:

[Skimmerking]

hey Lando, go out side and play a game of hide and go $#%^$ yourself :lol:

[Joe Reefer]

too cold outside, maybe i'll hide inside and find Lori. :wink:

[Joe Reefer]

Little update: I started ZEO last night. I am excited to see what this does to my tank. I'll try and post some "before" pictures tonight.

[Der_Iron_Chef]

Ooh, nice. Did you manage to get that reactor to fit in the sump?

[Joe Reefer]

Yep I had to chop over a foot off it, now it will only hold 3.5L. I only have 1.25L in it and it looks like nothing.

[michika]

Are you doing the whole zeo line of products or are you just dosing a selected few? Can I ask what your motivations are for trying it out?

[Joe Reefer]

Not sure what you mean by whole line, from what I have read you need all or nothing with this system for it to work correctly. (you can use some of the other additional additives on there own such as amino acid concentrate but thats different)

Currently I am using/dosing zeolites, zeobak, zeofood7, zeostart2 and pohl's coral vitalizer. In the future I will start messing with the amino acids, stylo grow, coral snow etc. The original plan for this tank was to start it on ZEO but things changed now a year later here we go.

[michika]

Yeah, that is what I ment.

[Delphinus]

What page is the reactor picture (is there a picture of this reactor you speak of?)? I went back to page 10 and gave up. Did you make your own?

[Joe Reefer]

They are on this page. :razz:

Before: 30"
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/DSCN3042.jpg

After: 18"
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG008-1.jpg

In the sump:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG_4290.jpg

[Delphinus]

Aiyiyi! 30" tall? What kind of litre rating was it, that seems way larger than the 3l? (If so, where did you get it?

[Joe Reefer]

I have no idea what the liter rating was before, it was lots. I bought it off a canreefer(Drew) it was used by another guy who Drew bought it from. I am not sure what brand it is or maybe if its a DIY, but if it is DIY whoever built it has some serious skills.

[mark]

guess would ask why Zeo, pictures of what you have look fantastic already

[digital-audiophile]

Its the proline reactor. The same one I have.. allthough mine's the 1.5L version.

http://www.jlaquatics.com/phpstore/store_pages/product-info.php?product_ID=zv-0rzr2

[Delphinus]

I recognize it as the Proline as that's the same one I have too but mine is a 1l version (maybe 1.5l - but it just fits 1 bag). I thought it might have been a 5l model because the 3l is listed at 24" tall overall. But maybe it's the 3l version.

[digital-audiophile]

Are you looking at getting a bigger reactor for the new tank Tony, or are you thinking of running two smaller ones?

[Joe Reefer]

guess would ask why Zeo, pictures of what you have look fantastic already

The plan was always to run Zeo, fantastic is nice and all but I want holy$&!t. :mrgreen:

[muck]

The plan was always to run Zeo, fantastic is nice and all but I want holy$&!t. :mrgreen:
LOL.. looking forward to seeing the effects it has on your tank. :biggrin:

[Joe Reefer]

I am only on day 5 with zeovit but there is already an improvement in water clarity. There was no problem with water clarity before but now its just better. The other thing I have noticed is the glass does stay cleaner longer. Maybe there is something to this Zeo thing.

Does anyone know if zeo helps reduce bubble algae?

[Delphinus]

Seriously. That's awesome.

I knew Zeo would be good but on Thursday (after reading and talking about it here in this thread last Wedneday I put online my zeo reactor) and on Thursday I was thinking that my lights were brighter ... it then dawned on me it had to be water clarity.

I was thinking that one day had to be too soon to have such a profound difference.. although at the same time I put the reactor online I did kick off a water change so it could be due to that too.

Question, are you running carbon yet? I'm not sure what to think about the recommendation to run it passively but to also run it in a power filter to force water through it. :neutral: So does that mean we can run it in a Phosban reactor or not? (For better for worse I'm running my carbon in one... :neutral:)

[Joe Reefer]

Actually noticed the clarity after the first day. I forgot about the carbon until sunday, but I was already running chemi-pure so I just pulled it and replaced it with a bag full of just carbon. It sits in first set of baffles in the sump, so I would call it passive agressive flow. I think running carbon in a phosban reactor would be fine, it would eliminate the need to knead it everyday as recomended.

[Jason McK]

Ya I run a phosban reactor with only carbon in it as well. I believe in the new ZEO Guide it recomments this method over the passive method

I started ZEO 1 week into my tank cycle. I had a ton of bubble algea. Within 2 weeks I had none. Now after a year and 7 months on Zeo I have 1 or 2 bubble aglae in the tank. I don't plan on taking any action as they have been there for a while and not really doing anything.

Yes I have also seen a huge reduction on the amount of glass cleaning that I need to do.

J

[Joe Reefer]

Jason do you dose all the stuff at the same time?

[digital-audiophile]

I'm just running carbon passive right now and knead it daily. I do have my phosban reactor sitting empty so I think when I change out my zeolites and carbon I will run it in the reactor.

There seems to be conflicting info on carbon even in the zeo guide. In the same paragraph it refers to using zeo in a forced reactor like a phosban or even in the zeo reactor ontop of the zeolites.. but then later on it recommends just using it passive in the sump. :question:

[Jason McK]

Jason do you dose all the stuff at the same time?

Yes and no. ;)
My current dose schedule (remember I've been using Zeo for almost 2 years)

Net Water 300G
2x a day 0.6ml ZeoStart (Morning and Evening)
1x a day 7 drops AA (evening directly into the tank)
1X a Day 7 drops Coral Vitalizer (evening directly into the tank)
10ml every other day K-B Strong (when ever)

6 drops 3 times a week ZEOBac (in sump with skimmer off for 20minutes)
3 Drops 3 times a week ZEOFood (same time as Bac)

Reading the forums on Zeovit.com the general consensuses is to run carbon in a fluidized reactor. Also something not in the guide is to save a small amount of old rock to help seed the new rock when performing a rock change. the exact amount is not an issue

J

[Joe Reefer]

I just had to double check my dosing amounts. I understand that everyone eventually figures out how much of each works best for their tank, but I didnt realize that it differs that much from the guide.

[digital-audiophile]

Have you found real a benefits to :

a.) Turning off the skimmer while dosing Bak/Food
b.) Running Carbon in a reactor?

I've been debating doing both myself.

[Jason McK]

One thing I have learned about Zeovit is that the guide is a great place to start. It's stage one of the Zeo process. Once you move through stage 2 and then to stage 3 the dosage amounts decrease greatly. The best way to find what dosage is best for each stage is to start a theard over at Zeovit.com. Not sure if you've done this yet but fill out this form (http://www.zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14) then start and thread with the answers. After each rock change or supplimant addition post in your thread. Peaopl like G. Alexander will post minor tweaks and fixes to your dosage schedule.

J

[digital-audiophile]

Thanks :) I have done that but I should update it now that I am moving past stage 1.

[Jason McK]

Have you found real a benefits to :

a.) Turning off the skimmer while dosing Bak/Food
b.) Running Carbon in a reactor?

I've been debating doing both myself.


not sure about the Carbon. I've always done it that way so I have nothing to compare to. I have how ever noticed a huge difference in turning the Skimmer of when dosing Bac/Food. I find the reactor clouds up a whole lot more when I pump.

J

[Joe Reefer]

By rock change I assume you mean the Zeolites. I started a thread way back when I intially was thinking about Zeo. I'll dig up my old thread when the time comes. Thanks for reminding me.

What does stage 3 entail? Do you become some kind of zeo jedi that can grow corals by looking at them and change their color by just thinking about it.

[Jason McK]

By rock change I assume you mean the Zeolites. I started a thread way back when I intially was thinking about Zeo. I'll dig up my old thread when the time comes. Thanks for reminding me.

What does stage 3 entail? Do you become some kind of zeo jedi that can grow corals by looking at them and change their color by just thinking about it.

yes Zeolites (rock)

Yes when you enter stage 3 your your coral colours are directly links to your dreams. unfortunately I just had a nightmare. LOL
You know as they talk quit a bit about the 3 stages they never define a time line or nutrient level definition.
Copied for Zeovit.com (http://www.zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10354)
Originally Posted by scottw
Different ZeoVit phases by Aged Salt

ZEOvit phases depend on the nutrient level & coral appearance. Nutrients are relatively high[with "pooled-reserves"] & corals are dull in coloration. Polyp-extension may or may not be present.

Consider phase 1 the initiatation of ZEOvit method. The basic 4 are used to reduce nutrients in a balanced manner. As nutrients & "reserves" are depleted, the corals become brighter, lighter in appearance & the quantities of the zeo's dosed becomes less.

Enter phase 2[~3-6mos], the corals continue to colorize more & nutrients are becoming more exhausted. During this phase, however, if dosing is stopped for more than a few days, nutrients again begin to rise, & corals become darker. This is due to "pooled-reserves" still remaining available.


Phase 3[5-10months] is characterized by stable nutrients & color appearance of the corals, ie. if the zeo's are not dosed for many days, the N03's/P04's do not increase & coral colors remain fast. In this phase, the stored nutrients are exhausted, as evidenced by the low quantites of Bak/Food7/Start used, with coral color intensive.

[Delphinus]

Man there's just too much to read over at that board. I guess I'll start my thread over there at some point. Canreef is my home, RC is where I go to play sometimes, and that's already eating too significant a portion of my days as it is, even though I have registrations at all these other places they rarely hold a lot of appeal to spend even more time online. I could be using that time to work on my 280g. :neutral: Sigh. I need a 36 hour day.

[michika]

You need a clone of yourself is what you need, one for work, one for relaxing, and one to do tank work!

[Jason McK]

I hear you.
I'm here a lot. Mod at 3Reef, Read what I can on Zeo, and Play at RC.

if there was just some way I could get payed to do this.:)

J

[Joe Reefer]

If there was only some way I could get paid to be a reefer.

[Pan]

If there was only some way I could get paid to be a reefer.


heh :)

[Joe Reefer]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG043.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG049.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG004-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG066.jpg

[muck]

Hows the Zeo working for you so far Lando?

[Joe Reefer]

So far so good, algae has stopped growing more or less. Particularly the valonia now all it has to do is start disappearing, which should happen eventually.

In other tank news a potters angel was added recently and is doing great so far. I also started dosing K-Balance and Coral Snow along with the other zeo products I was previously using so we'll have to see how that turns out. My K level was down around 300 so it has to be dealt with.

[muck]

Nice. I was thinking the potter's wasn't there last time I was over.

Did you manage to fit everyone from the reef crawl in your basement? :lol:

[Joe Reefer]

Yeah, everyone fit. My tank looked pretty small with everyone around it though.

[Joe Reefer]

Here is the Potters again. (I am really starting to like this little guy)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG030-1.jpg

[Joe Reefer]

And a couple more of some other stuff.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG064.jpg



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG074.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG043-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG044-1.jpg

[Joe Reefer]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG018-1.jpg

[Delphinus]

Potter's are definitely one of my favourite pygmy angels. Very nice!

[Joe Reefer]

So the potters died on me. This was my second try with one and my last. Long story short I suspect the source for the first one was the reason for its death. (LFS that it came from has a terrible holding system IMO.) This time around the fish was fine up until one day it stopped swimming around and the next it died.

As a whole the tank is doing great. I had a little problem with my Ca reactor and my params dropped pretty low Alk was down to 5dKH and calcium was at 350ppm. This led me to find out that Salifert test kits may be giving false readings. In which I ordered new elos test kits to cross check with my salifert ones. Turned out the Alk and Mg kit are fine, but the Ca was out by 50ppm. I have been raising the levels back to normal the past week and everything should be back to normal next week.

As for using the Zeovit system, so far I am loving it. The tank is always crystal clear, polyp extension is A1. The fish are also happier because they have been eating very well since I have basically been feeding them double of what they are used to before starting zeo.

[mark]

looks like a speed demon from the picture

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG018-1.jpg

[Jason McK]

Ya that is an amazing photo. I've never seen my Butterfly move that fast. Must be because of the Black spot. It's the turbo charger :)

J

[Joe Reefer]

Yeah, he loves ripping around the tank. We haven't been able to think of a good name for him. Any suggestions?

[Delphinus]

Sorry to hear about the angel. :(

How long have you been on zeovit now?

You know what's weird, I'm now on zeovit for a little over a month, about 7 weeks in now. So basically still a total newb startup, right? But I was sort of expecting to have seen a reduction in nuisance algaes by now? It hasn't happened. By nuisance algaes I mean specifically the green film I get on my glass and red cyano. In fact, I didn't have cyano before starting zeo, and now I have it fairly bad. :( I don't get it. Anyhow sorry for the hijack I'm not meaning to ask about why this is happening but I'm just curious if in particular you've noticed a difference in how often you have to clean your glass? If so, how long did it take, in your estimation, before you noticed a difference in the film/slime buildup rates?

[digital-audiophile]

Tony - to continue the Hijack (Sorry Joe) :p

I am facing the same issue, I have had massive Cyano the past few days I posted on zeovit.com for dosing advice and have made the changes.

[Joe Reefer]

Hijack away! Its my thread I can do whatever I want with it.:razz:

I am a week away from my second rock change. So far I can't say I've noticed a reduction in my algaes either, the growth however is way less which has got to be good. I also have a little cyano on the bottom. What did the zeo guys suggest to you(Greg)? I guess I could just siphon it out, but if there is a way to make it disappear. :idea:

The glass stays real clean for about 5 days doesnt need cleaning for about 10. Tony, I think the brown slime means your dosing to much zeostart and food. Try a little less when you dose them.

[Joe Reefer]

Oh and I wanted to add: The more I research and learn about Zeo. It seems every tank needs a diffrent dosing regime in the end. The zeo guide is really just a guide to get started.

[Jason McK]

Tony. I PMed you regarding your dosing. Didn't want to drag this thread into a Zeo dosing thread ;)

J

[digital-audiophile]

I was basically advised to lower my dosing, primarily zeo start for a week. I'm three days in since the switch and I have noticed a reduction.

In the first 4-6 weeks of zeo my green film algae was almost non-existant, but in the following 3 weeks it has been back a bit.. nothing near what it was before I strarted zeo though.

I totally agree with you though, the guide is just that, I think every tank will dictate it's own dosing requirements, and the only way to really find that out is through trial and error.

[Joe Reefer]

A little friday update.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG060.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20gallon/IMG083.jpg

[mastergunsg]

Lando i just finished reading your entire post and i have to say you did a fantastic job. I love the quality of your pictures by the way. I hope my new tank turns out half as well as yours.

[Parker]

That birds nest has gotten huge!

[Joe Reefer]

I am bringing this thread back from the abyss.

Since quitting my day job in Aug08 to work for Marine Aquaria a lot has changed on this tank. I shut it down for about 6 months due to plague algae problems that I did not have time to address then. The good news is I have rebuilt and Joe Reefer's Inwall 120 V2.0 has been running for 3+ months now. Pictures to follow............

[fishytime]

welcome back mang!....looking forward to the pics......

[muck]

Sweet... looking forward to see them Lando!!

[Skimmerking]

ya welcome back Lando , looking forward to seeing it in person. will be up in EDm here soon.

[Joe Reefer]

Front
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20Gallon%20V2/IMG_6521.jpg

Rear
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20Gallon%20V2/IMG_6568.jpg

Sump
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20Gallon%20V2/IMG_6566.jpg

Mixing Station
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20Gallon%20V2/IMG_6565.jpg

Manifold
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20Gallon%20V2/IMG_6569.jpg

[Joe Reefer]

What has changed? The Prop tank and fuge have been replaced with a 40 gallon mixing bin. The sump has been drilled for an emergency drain, making water changes almost automatic and very painless. Skimmer is now a BK180. The back of the tank was drilled for the return making it look much cleaner than over the top. The RO unit is plumbed to the mixing bin and tank directly. The rest is pretty much the same, the idea was to make this tank very easy to maintain. I have also replaced the nanostreams with a MP40.

[fishytime]

Very nice man......almost a mirror image of my sump.....(well the bk and the twin tlf reactors:wink:)

[Lance]

Nice looking setup! Making water changes quicker and easier is never a bad idea. Easier is always better. :biggrin:

[Parker]

It's about time, looks good!

You have more fish then I do!!

[Delphinus]

"Like"

[Snappy]

So Lando what sort of reef are you planning? Do I see 2 koran angels?

[saltynuts]

nicely done. i,ll have to drop by some time.

[Murminator]

WTF you don't have your hand in water enough at work?????:razz:
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J/K looks awesome :lol:

[Joe Reefer]

So Lando what sort of reef are you planning? Do I see 2 koran angels?

It was going to be a easy reef tank (less demanding corals), but the further along I get more and more acros, millis, montis etc. keep ending up in my tank. Oh and they are imperator angels but they have been removed.

[superduperwesman]

V2.0 is very clean. I like!

[kimax]

V2.0 is very clean. I like!

Agreed.

Can't wait to see more.

[Joe Reefer]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/lyohemas/120%20Gallon%20V2/P1000372.jpg

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[Dez]

Nice growth Lando. I want a frag of that pokerstar :) and the green stylo! Sweet. Can't wait to see it in person some day.

[Delphinus]

Sweet trig!!

[Joe Reefer]

Thanks Tony, he is a pretty cool fish always in the open swimming around.