hardened substrate? cause?

[Hightower]

I have a spot of substrate that has become as hard as cement (or appears to be) with a little browning of it on the top.

Anyone know what this is or what it means?
All water parameters are quite normal, and nothing jumps out for water quality.

[danny zubot]

That happened to me after overdosing alkalinity. It is a precipitation caused from too much alk that somehow bonds the calciferous matter in your subrated together. It can also be caused from too much calcium or magnesium. Each one of these has a balance with the other, if you have too much of one element the excess can form a precipitate.

[bluetang]

This is commonly called "Lock Up"
Are you running a reactor? As said in the above post, it could be too much alk and calcium. I've been through this with a friend of mines 90g tank. The entire sand bead locked Up and had to be removed. We then smashed up the solid blocks of argonite sand with a hammer, bring it back to a granular consistency. Terible job... Keep up checking your levels.
Rob

[Hightower]

this sounds like bad news. Is there nothing I can do to prevent the rest from "locking up"?

I dont have a reactor as suggested but I do dose calcium via kalkwasser as part of my top off.

calcium is at 410 and alkalinity 9.6

[StirCrazy]

this sounds like bad news. Is there nothing I can do to prevent the rest from "locking up"?

I dont have a reactor as suggested but I do dose calcium via kalkwasser as part of my top off.

calcium is at 410 and alkalinity 9.6

with a alk that low you shouldn't have a problem from that, are you dosing chemicals to maintain alk and ca? if so you might have overdoses and had a percipitation but that only a remote possability. if so the answer would be to add them more oftem to preven having to add large amounts at once.

Steve

[Hightower]

I dose kent marine pro buffer DKH a couple times a week.

[danny zubot]

Steve, I think you might be confusing Alk with carbonate hardness. Where KH is fine at 9.6, Alk is too high IMO. I try to keep my Alk at about 3.5 Meq/L or 12.25 dKH.

[StirCrazy]

Steve, I think you might be confusing Alk with carbonate hardness. Where KH is fine at 9.6, Alk is too high IMO. I try to keep my Alk at about 3.5 Meq/L or 12.25 dKH.

nope but you are confusing me now ;) normal peramiter are 2.3 Meq/l or 8dkh, I aim for 12 to 13 dkh for mine also and this is why I am saying with a level of only 9.6dkh or 2.74 Meq/l his alk level is not causing the substrate to lock up.. now what are you trying to say? :mrgreen:

Steve

[danny zubot]

Hightower said: calcium is at 410 and alkalinity 9.6

What I'm saying is that 9.6 is high Alk. (9.6x3.5=33.6 dKH)

If 9.6 is his dKH than its fine.

Hightower, is 9.6 the measure of your Alk (meq/L) or your carbonate hardness?

[christyf5]

I thought alkalinity was usually represented as dKH or meq/L. I don't think I have ever measured carbonate hardness (I thought carbonate hardness mostly pertained to freshwater??).

[Aquattro]

There are about 8 ways to specify alk, mEq/l, dKh and ppm of CaCO3 are all valid. 9.6 will be dKh, as 9.6 mEq/l would likely kill everything.

[Aquattro]

http://www.hagen.com/canada/english/aquatic/gh_kh_conv_cal.cfm

[danny zubot]

Good link Brad. As a newbie I confused the conversions and tried to raise my Alk up to 8 or 9 meq/L. It did kill almost everything, but my snails were the first to go.

[OCDP]

thanks for that link Brad.. haha, I use the hagen alkalinity test kit and it measures in mg/L .. so it doesn't help me as it's not the common measurement... nice to have a handy little converter.

[Hightower]

Sorry about that. Next time I should clarify. My 9.6 was a DKH value which converts to 3.43 meq/l

All from a salifert kit.