Couple of Answers Needed

[Madreefer]

1: Is there a time period where the seas and oceans current comes to a lull so fish and coral
can eat? Or do fish have to work for their food?
2: Does the moon actually give off enough light to help the fish navigate and does the lunar
cycle actually effect how fish larvae or eggs hatch? And do fish sleep?
3: Why when diving or snorkeling do we quite often come across cold areas? So what is
an ideal temp?
4: Does the seas or oceans ever stop skimming or is it a 24/7 operation? And that foamy stuff
that is on the beach good to play in or bite at? I see small kids do that often:lol:

I ask these questions all though they may be silly cause I don't really know the answers and if I'm trying to recreate a little ecosystem in my home I would like to do it right.

[Slyguy00]

I can't say I know the answers to any of your questions either but I would assume that the ocean never slows down enough for the fish to eat, strong survive and the weak perish. And as far as the moon it definitely effects breeding cycles and life in the ocean, but doubt it has anything to do with being able to see.

[Coral Hoarder]

Good cupple of questions haha be waching for answers I would assume natural scimming would occur as long as there is wave action wich. I'd asume settles down some times

[whatcaneyedo]

Would you like to borrow some of my books Bill?

[Madreefer]

Would you like to borrow some of my books Bill?

Thanks for the offer Russel but books put me to sleep. I come here to absorb my knowledge

[Coasting]

1. No but there are dead spots. Slow spots. Fast spots. Etc.
2. In some instances yes. But its frequently cloudy. Sometimes the moon is gone.
3. Current.
4. That nasty foam stuff is the ocean naturally skimming. 24/7.

[whatcaneyedo]

Yes the quick and to the point answers are always nice. I like books though.

1. Currents come to a lull between tides and sometimes the wind doesn't blow. Some fish hunt and graze others like stone fish just sit and wait for their food to come to them.
2. Some fish can see well enough at night with the small amount of light given, others might have a strong sense of smell to guide them to their prey. Mass spawning events in time with lunar cycles have been well documented and caught on video (would you like to borrow some of my documentary videos?). Have you never noticed your fish sleeping? Some of mine are quite obvious about it while others seem to be active 24/7. Some fish can shut off half of their brain at a time to allow it some rest while still allowing them to swim about.
3. The sun warms water at the surface but cold water always rises from deep below (ice floats) and mixes in. Ideal water temperature depends on the species in question but 26 celsius or 78 fahrenheit is pretty popular for a typical reef tank because its somewhere in between the acceptable extremes. Dr Ron Shimek actually states that 83 fahrenheit is the ideal temperature for most coral in his book on marine inverts...
4. The ocean is fast and can dilute a lot of natural pollution. Healthy reefs are typically very nutrient poor however because one fish's waste is another coral's or algae's meal. So while skimming does occur naturally its plays a lesser role in nature than it does within our tiny over stocked closed systems. Foam that washes up on beaches surrounding developed areas is bound to have a lot sewage and industrial/agricultural run off in it. FYI according to Marvel Comics playing in sewage gives you super powers so play away.

I'm not quoting anything here, this is just what I've retained. I'm sure others will have better answers.

[Madreefer]

These questions all seem to be asked on a regular basis here but in a different manner. So the point of this thread is to get people to actually think when they ask a question regarding pieces of equipment they put in their tanks:lol:
Do I need flow and should I turn my power heads off to feed?
What's the temp?
How long should I run my lights?
Do I need a skimmer?


More of a smartass way of saying that if we all trying to create a little ocean in our homes than why not try to mimic the actual ocean where these fish and corals come from..

[Aquattro]

then why not try to mimic the actual ocean where these fish and corals come from..

I think that the ocean isn't a good example of what we have in our living room. As Russell stated, lots of variety to be found, with the ocean having so many different micro zones. Some fish that don't like or thrive in current could live in a large crevice right below a very high current zone. Other fish will just swim a mile away to be in a better "zone". In our tanks, we're adding Achilles Tangs in with pipefish. Extreme example, but no happy medium there at all :) Corals are the same. A large flock of stags will want very different conditions that gorgonians, but we still try to mix them. Some corals like "dirty" water, others need pristine conditions.
Hard to balance everything we try to mix.

Fish sleeping - at 3am, half my fish are swimming around in the dark. Others are buried in the sand wrapped in a cocoon. They don't care if there is moonlight or not.

All that said, I think they're still easy questions to answer. You need enough flow to move water and ideally suspend and remove particulates. Some corals appreciate more, some less. Adjust per your requirements.
Temp, between 77 and 82 will work, and you should adjust if you see a reason to.
I'e never seen a fish that couldn't catch food, and they seem to enjoy the chase. Leave pumps on unless you have a fish that can't catch food. Then turn them off. Nothing bad will happen either way.
Skimming. I believe skimming removes organics and other pollutants from the tank. Like flushing your toilet. Nobody partially flushes. Removing fish poop can't be bad, unless you have a reason to leave it in the tank. If you do, don't flush. Almost every time that is asked, the real question is "do I need to spend the money a skimmer costs" or "I set up a tank without a sump or anywhere to add a piece of equipment I needed, so do I really need it?" Almost always, ya, you need it. Or, change a lot more water as a compromise.

Lights. Run them long enough to feed and grow your corals, and not long enough to kill and bleach your corals. Time the period around when you're most likely to view your tank. Somewhere from 5 to 12 hours might be good. Or pick somewhere comfy in the middle. In nature, reefs tend to get about 8 hours of direct overhead light. Lots and lots of light. From the sun.

All in all, the ocean can give us hints about what we should do, but it's not something we can replicate in a box. We just have to be a bit selective in what we put in the box, then provide for it's needs in a rather compartmentalized fashion, ensuring each piece is accounted for.

As always, strongly infused with my opinion :)

[MitchM]

These topics have been discussed and researched in the past .
How far a person wants to get into the details is up to the individual.

Salinity, lighting, water flow, nutrient levels can vary quite a bit in nature which can lead to corals that are able to survive larger swings in the various parameters.
When we keep the range of our tank environments in tight parameters, our corals are more susceptible to small changes in those parameters.

[Doug]

My clowns hatch always seems to occur shortly after lights out in the evening. Perhaps coincidence.

[Madreefer]

My clowns hatch always seems to occur shortly after lights out in the evening. Perhaps coincidence.
Yea mine too. I shake my head watching them constantly tending to them to just gobble them up as they hatch.:lol:

[Doug]

Yea mine too. I shake my head watching them constantly tending to them to just gobble them up as they hatch.:lol:

Mine don't seem to usually but last night they were in on the feed to. :surprise:

[The Guy]

1: Is there a time period where the seas and oceans current comes to a lull so fish and coral
can eat? Or do fish have to work for their food?
2: Does the moon actually give off enough light to help the fish navigate and does the lunar
cycle actually effect how fish larvae or eggs hatch? And do fish sleep?
3: Why when diving or snorkeling do we quite often come across cold areas? So what is
an ideal temp?
4: Does the seas or oceans ever stop skimming or is it a 24/7 operation? And that foamy stuff
that is on the beach good to play in or bite at? I see small kids do that often:lol:

I ask these questions all though they may be silly cause I don't really know the answers and if I'm trying to recreate a little ecosystem in my home I would like to do it right.

Ok Bill this is what I have come up to try and shed some light:
1:I don't think the ocean has a reefkeeper or timer attached, so fish do have to work to eat.
2:The moon is like having a night light on in your room so you don't stub your toe on the way to the can, also has anyone ever dove at night and heard snoring?
3:Cold area's, hmmm! not sure, is there an ideal temp? Again not sure, my tanks are @79f is it right! who knows for sure.
4:I think let's leave the skimmer on, the ocean currents and waves don't seem to stop and have a break. Yummy! shore foam we have all seen it and some of us have even tasted it, sorta like having a sip of the black glop when you empty your skimmer"NOT".
I'm not sure there is a right way when your a reefer, I find if it works for me I keep doing it. Some of us are very strict with tank maintenance as to water changes, dosing, etc. etc. etc. I try and use good quality equipment to keep the work load lower and the enjoyment high.
When you become a slave to your supposed hobby I think your enthusiasm dies away. :amen: