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theokie
09-04-2014, 04:11 PM
I've been an Led guy from my start in reefing and with my upcoming build I'm getting a bit curious about Metal Halide.

I was planning to go with Kessil A360's as I already had purchased 4 of them, and the internet swears that that will be enough light for a 48x48x20h tank, but I'm just not buying into that.

I'm considering using the Kessil's as my primary lighting but to have a 20K Radium, either 250 or 400w in the center of the tank to use as my "high noon" time, running for 4 to maybe 6 hours a day.

Doing amperage calculations, a setup of 4 A360WEs and a 400w Radium would still have me at under 7 amps consumption at peak draw, which sounds pretty good to me as my SPS tank, a 150 tall tank draws 5.8 amp as measured thru my apex of actual usage.

Now the major deal breaker question for me is, if I do go with a Halide to supplement my leds, would I realistically have to keep my chiller online year round? My current setup only needs the chiller for about 3 weeks a year and then only for a couple hours a day.

I guess I should also mention my plans for this new setup, I'm hoping to go mainly with LPS out on the edges of the tank and move my clams out of my frag tank and into a center "Clam bed" that would be directly under the potential Halide. I'd also like to move a few of my 18 month old mangroves out of my sump and up to a nice Atoll type rock scape, and I figure they would really appreciate having a halide mounted a bit higher up allowing for growth. I'm sure that as this tank progresses a few SPS probably will migrate over, as honestly who can resist making it a mixed reef especially with 8ft of surface area to work with.


Also if I do move forth on this endeavor what sort of reflector should I be looking at? As since this is a shallow tank I'd like to get a good spread, 3x3 if not 3.5'x3.5' again, again using the 4 or 6 Kessil lamps to be the primary driving light.

Thank you

sphelps
09-04-2014, 04:24 PM
A 400W SE in a Lumenarc will cover 48x48 if hung high enough, since it's "supplemental" program your APEX to shut it off if tank temperature rises above 82F or whatever.

theokie
09-04-2014, 05:32 PM
A 400W SE in a Lumenarc will cover 48x48 if hung high enough, since it's "supplemental" program your APEX to shut it off if tank temperature rises above 82F or whatever.


That is what I was looking for, but my next question is, is the manufacturer for the Lumanarc, Lumenbrite, Lumenmax line of reflectors gone?

The closest I can find is one seller in the UK, along with a Chinese knock off going under the same name. Or the Hamilton brand of clones. It appears I may be too late to jump on the tried and true method of lighting.

Also if I have read the intertubes correctly, as long as I use a single ended bulb I don't need a UV shield, just a splash shield. Since this will be centered over my clam bed, and I'm going with Dersa and Squamosa clams splashing is a possibility

Bayside Corals
09-04-2014, 05:37 PM
I have a brand new luminarc reflector in the box, 400 watt vertex electronic ballasat and the socket for the bulb. Everything is brand new never used. I can sell it all for a great price and I will ship. PM if your interested.

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Proteus
09-04-2014, 06:44 PM
A 400W SE in a Lumenarc will cover 48x48 if hung high enough, since it's "supplemental" program your APEX to shut it off if tank temperature rises above 82F or whatever.

My thoughts also. :-)

A 250 would be a waste on that big of tank

sphelps
09-04-2014, 07:25 PM
I have a brand new luminarc reflector in the box, 400 watt vertex electronic ballasat and the socket for the bulb. Everything is brand new never used. I can sell it all for a great price and I will ship. PM if your interested.


There you go :smile:

Colby is a great guy if you didn't know already.

theokie
09-04-2014, 09:24 PM
I guess I should be sending a PM.

And I'd imagine with the height I would be hanging the metal halide, since its just a 4 to 6 hour peak light supplement, the heat gain wouldn't be as bad as if I was running 2 to 4 bulbs much closer to the surface.

My goal is to try and keep the the electric bill increase for the new tank to be under 100 a month... after a fried heater in a rock holding tank raised my bill by 150 a month my other half got a bit POd over my hobby.

Ram3500
09-04-2014, 10:34 PM
I have been running two a360w for about eight month now on my sps tank. There would be no reason to supplement your Kessil with m/h. My sps grow faster than they ever have when I was running Halide. My tank dimensions are 57x24x25. All my sps 1'' frags less than a year old.

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theokie
09-04-2014, 10:56 PM
I have been running two a360w for about eight month now on my sps tank. There would be no reason to supplement your Kessil with m/h. My sps grow faster than they ever have when I was running Halide. My tank dimensions are 57x24x25. All my sps 1'' frags less than a year old.

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Very nice tank. And its not so much that I don't think the kessils will be up to do the job, its more curiosity on my part. I have never had a metal halide tank, and the combination is a way for me to see if there really is that big of difference. I'm really hoping to get the fast growth of led, combined with the intense coloration of the radium bulbs.

My original plan was going to use 4 A360We tuna blues and then use a A360w Tuna sun as my "high noon" in order to help my mangroves and clams. But the Tuna Sun unit has been back ordered for awhile, and a used or second hand metal halide setup is similar price.

Also the hybrid led halide T5 units are starting to show up, this is the cheapest way for me to dabble.