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Aqua-Digital
07-03-2014, 08:10 PM
Ok lets take the heat out of the balling debate, lets add a bit of fun

win a pack of TM balling ABC by the first person to answer this very simple question

1. TRUE OR FALSE
By doing a 10% water change you remove any imbalance in sodium chloride 2 part dosing produces?

2. Explain your answer?

First person with the right answers wins :)

Seriak
07-03-2014, 08:22 PM
If it's a debate, how can there be a right answer. :)

Aquattro
07-03-2014, 08:31 PM
The answer is no. This is proven with natural science. PM for shipping info :)

Seriak
07-03-2014, 08:36 PM
The answer is no. This is proven with natural science. PM for shipping info :)

But the question says ANY imbalance. There is a possibility it does solve some imbalances but not all.

IanWR
07-03-2014, 08:50 PM
1) false (if the question means any and all)

2) if I understand correctly, 2 part adds salt without the rest of the "stuff" in the salt bucket. Adding only 2 part will reduce the ratio of the "stuff" in your tank, creating an imbalance. Doing a 10% water change will only improve the imbalance 10%.

Aqua-Digital
07-03-2014, 08:56 PM
1) false (if the question means any and all)

2) if I understand correctly, 2 part adds salt without the rest of the "stuff" in the salt bucket. Adding only 2 part will reduce the ratio of the "stuff" in your tank, creating an imbalance. Doing a 10% water change will only improve the imbalance 10%.

Yeah we have a winner!

PM me your address

2 part and 3 part add sodium chloride to the system (just as balling does) however when you do a water change you only remove that % of the imbalance created.

Seriak
07-03-2014, 08:58 PM
But if you just started 2 part and the imbalance in substance A went out a very tiny amount. Doing a 10% water change could add just enough to get substance A back into balance.

Aqua-Digital
07-03-2014, 09:01 PM
But you are guessing. the clue is in the question asked "could"

Your question is a good one though

Aqua-Digital
07-03-2014, 09:10 PM
The answer is no. This is proven with natural science. PM for shipping info :)

Staff cant apply ;)

Oh go on then I will send you some also ;)

Seriak
07-03-2014, 10:17 PM
But you are guessing. the clue is in the question asked "could"

Your question is a good one though

So there you go. The answer is a definite maybe. While no and yes are obviously wrong.

Aqua-Digital
07-03-2014, 10:24 PM
:)

With a water change you are guessing if you have removed enough, in reality the likelihood is no you have not. Of course the rise in sodium chloride if just starting out will be small but even with a small amount and 10% water change you only remove 10% of that tiny amount.

Fast forward a year, that tiny amount has grown as you are only removing each time 10% of the extra sodium chloride.

Of course balling will raise your sodium chloride content also but by using part C of tropic marin system you are not just raising sodium chloride you are raising "sea salt" as a whole, so a 10% water change will bring the levels back down as everything is balanced out.

Look at it as an insurance policy that you always have in check as best you can equal parts of the minerals and elements in your tank.

Oops starting the same thread all over again will stop there ;)

any follow on questions please can we post on the other epic thread as i want to keep this just for fun ;)

I will bow out now also unless I see some crazy! My old war wound is playing up and we take possession of our other house tomorrow and I need to be fit. Thanks guys for sharing this moment of fun and I am glad we were able to offer some freebies in a fun way.

ReEf BoSs
07-04-2014, 03:20 AM
True or Yes you would remove the imbalance. You would remove the imbalance in the 10 percent you took out there may still be an imbalance but you took some out lol ahaha

Ron99
07-04-2014, 04:01 AM
You can calculate how much NaCl has been added by dosing over the period and adjust your water change salinity to compensate. So the answer could be true.

Aqua-Digital
07-04-2014, 11:13 AM
You can calculate how much NaCl has been added by dosing over the period and adjust your water change salinity to compensate. So the answer could be true.

Ron the question was based on two part, you are correct 100% of course if the question was related to balling with NACL-free salt

Ron99
07-04-2014, 12:37 PM
Ron the question was based on two part, you are correct 100% of course if the question was related to balling with NACL-free salt

No, same can apply to regular two part. It's fairly basic chemistry and calculations to determine the amount of salts added by dosing.

Aqua-Digital
07-04-2014, 01:49 PM
Ron we went through this before together huge thread, I am not sure how else better to explain it to you, we failed last time.

maybe this will help

throw 10% of blue water into clear water, remove 10% of the water and add back clear water, you will still have blue water left. Carry on adding the blue water and the deeper blue the tank will go.

I dont want this fun thread to become another debate, the competition has now been won so if you want to more understanding please post on one of those threads which are open for you to do so.

Thanks for everyones participation in this competition I will run another soon