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mr_alberta
11-26-2013, 10:38 PM
Anyone have one yet? Thoughts? Was thinking about getting one for my new tank (60"x36" footprint)...

gqlmao
11-26-2013, 10:49 PM
I am contemplating on switching my radion out for one of these. Concept has 2 over one of their tanks and when I compare them to the GHL's in my opinion they look better. They put out such a nice and bright intensity and the spectrum feels more complete rather than just with the 4-5 generic leds colors. In my opinion, it looks the closest to MH, the shimmer isn't overly crazy like the Kessils, but it is there.

denny_C
11-26-2013, 10:59 PM
yup got two on daves office tank and if i compare to the ghl's IMO a far better light , we are seeing very good results.

im sure everyones opinion will vary though like always ;PP

ask me again t in six mths as they are only running a few weeks but a top contender IMO , very promising:)

kien
11-26-2013, 11:04 PM
Could you not just add a few T5 retro fits to your existing LED (AI, Mitras, Radeon) fixture? Seems that would be more economical to me. I have seen the ATI hybrid over Dave's tank and it does look nice though. But easily reproducible if you currently have LEDs or T5s.

waynemah
11-26-2013, 11:12 PM
Denny, would you say having the LED is worth the price hike from the sunpower?

denny_C
11-26-2013, 11:30 PM
Denny, would you say having the LED is worth the price hike from the sunpower?


i would , now not everyone is going to see that as i guess it comes down to budget and what one wants overall.

its too early yet to tell its longterm effects on the corals but theres def quite the price jump from the sunpower , with that said both lights are quality products.

color blending will be better for the powermodule and if the tank is high enough the leds will help there as well.

we had all daves t5's off and just the leds and it lit the whole tank up pretty bright ,colors are very nice and bright, its a 8ft tank running 2 x 36" dimmable t5/led fixtures ,i was told that the t5's would wash out the leds by other suppliers and so far its not the case at all

maintenance and running cost will be roughly the same give or take

i know the guys at MJC have had theirs running for quite some time and they have good reviews as well .

time will tell.

denny_C
11-26-2013, 11:31 PM
Could you not just add a few T5 retro fits to your existing LED (AI, Mitras, Radeon) fixture? Seems that would be more economical to me. I have seen the ATI hybrid over Dave's tank and it does look nice though. But easily reproducible if you currently have LEDs or T5s.

well for a guy running ghl's who wants to add t5's will probably have to have some skill in finishing or a canopy to hide the bulbs in ,but esentially its just adding t5's to the mix so i cant see why it wouldnt be done:)

sphelps
11-26-2013, 11:43 PM
The ATI with 8 T5s on top of the LEDs is certainly a much brighter light than comparable LED fixtures without the additional T5s but when you guys compare the two tanks at concept keep in mind the 8' tank in Dave's office has 2 4' 8 bult ATI fixtures while the 10' tank with GHLs only have 3 units hung quite high, plus it's like a foot wider. It's virtually impossible to get a good comparison there, you're comparing over 1100 watts to less than 500 on a much larger tank.

That 10' tank needs at least 2 more units (more to be comparable to Dave' tank) with all units moved lower and mounted the other way. I think I've mentioned this a few times :wink:

That said the ATI is nice but I still think the functionality that comes will LEDs is lost with the addition of T5s.

mikepclo
11-26-2013, 11:49 PM
Ati led will give more pop to your lps compared to t5 alone. Give you more color control and customization. Worth it? Yes if you don't have a canopy to hide messy led/t5 combos and need a clean all in one fixture.

http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a593/m_i_k_i_e/20131125_175442_RichtoneHDR_zps70b8607a.jpg

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Jakegr
11-26-2013, 11:51 PM
I'm going to buy either GHL or ATI this week, just no idea which one! Good problem to have obviously.

The biggest downside to the ATI, in my opinion, is the sheer size of the fixture. Not sure I want to go back to the days when I had a 6-bulb Tek light covering my tank. Plus, I'm not sure how the 24" ATI Hybrid would look over my 24" cube.

denny_C
11-26-2013, 11:55 PM
The ATI with 8 T5s on top of the LEDs is certainly a much brighter light than comparable LED fixtures without the additional T5s but when you guys compare the two tanks at concept keep in mind the 8' tank in Dave's office has 2 4' 8 bult ATI fixtures while the 10' tank with GHLs only have 3 units hung quite high, plus it's like a foot wider. It's virtually impossible to get a good comparison there, you're comparing over 1100 watts to less than 500 on a much larger tank.

That 10' tank needs at least 2 more units (more to be comparable to Dave' tank) with all units moved lower and mounted the other way. I think I've mentioned this a few times :wink:

That said the ATI is nice but I still think the functionality that comes will LEDs is lost with the addition of T5s.

its not just in comparison to the 10ft at the store ,i also have said from the beginning that we needed more ghl's on the 10ft tank the idea is to try to get away with as little as possible as they are not cheap, but we will add mnore if the need really arrises. most of the people who we have sold ghl's too through the store have said the same about the ghl's....the light seems dim when they compare it to the ati's

now dont get me wrong i love the ghl's , alot more than the radion pros lol but so far im impressed with the hybrid we will see how it performs in the next few months:)

im sure though everyones opinion will vary as far as what the bonuses are or arnt or whether or not its worth it in comparison to other fixtures.:)



both are great fixtures no doubt about it:)

sphelps
11-27-2013, 12:00 AM
Everything will look dim compared to 16 T5s and 300W of LEDs :lol:

waynemah
11-27-2013, 12:00 AM
I'm going to buy either GHL or ATI this week, just no idea which one! Good problem to have obviously.

The biggest downside to the ATI, in my opinion, is the sheer size of the fixture. Not sure I want to go back to the days when I had a 6-bulb Tek light covering my tank. Plus, I'm not sure how the 24" ATI Hybrid would look over my 24" cube.

If these are your two options, there is no way you could make the wrong decision...

denny_C
11-27-2013, 12:03 AM
Everything will look dim compared to 16 T5s and 300W of LEDs :lol:

haha true , i have no idea how many ghls it would take to look as bright as these on an 8ft tank although i am tempted to take down a few ghls and throw them on half of daves tank for a side by side comparison lol

:)

mikepclo
11-27-2013, 12:04 AM
Also don't expect too much shimmer from the ati led unless you turn all led colors full and set t5 dimmer. To be honest the smoothness light that mitras that radions and AI's just doesn't come close. Not saying this cause I have a pair for sale for a awesome price ;)



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Jakegr
11-27-2013, 12:04 AM
If these are your two options, there is no way you could make the wrong decision...

No kidding! First world problems... I know.

sphelps
11-27-2013, 12:16 AM
haha true , i have no idea how many ghls it would take to look as bright as these on an 8ft tank although i am tempted to take down a few ghls and throw them on half of daves tank for a side by side comparison lol

:)

Well 3 GHLs vs one 4' 8-bulb ATI would still be short on pure wattage alone not to mention the large advantage ATI would have in usable wattage. With the addition of T5s you can effectively crack up LEDs to full and use the T5s to make up the difference needed in blue spectrum while nobody wants to see a GHL at true 100% thus a good chuck of it's power is lost in light tuning. So a potential huge advantage there for ATI.

denny_C
11-27-2013, 12:24 AM
i do have a beef with the hybrid , is incredibly heavy , mounting it by myself would have been quite the task it was a three person job.....not the lightest light in the world for only a 36" fixture:)

sphelps
11-27-2013, 12:26 AM
i do have a beef with the hybrid , is incredibly heavy , mounting it by myself would have been quite the task it was a three person job.....not the lightest light in the world for only a 36" fixture:)

That's just cause you're use to mounting radions

Wheelman76
11-27-2013, 01:00 AM
I just looked at a few different places that sell the fixture and no one shows how much the fixture weighs. I'm curious how much more the hybrid weighs in comparison to the same bulb Sunpower.

mikepclo
11-27-2013, 01:17 AM
I just looked at a few different places that sell the fixture and no one shows how much the fixture weighs. I'm curious how much more the hybrid weighs in comparison to the same bulb Sunpower.

I have the 4ft 8 bulb. FedEx Shipping weight said 66lbs. I'm guessing fixture is btwn 50-60lbs. I have it hanging from ceiling and I have problem sleeping at night. :D



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Wheelman76
11-27-2013, 07:31 AM
I have the 4ft 8 bulb. FedEx Shipping weight said 66lbs. I'm guessing fixture is btwn 50-60lbs. I have it hanging from ceiling and I have problem sleeping at night. :D



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Haha thanks mike , yeah that's pretty heavy and would make me nervous too. That's the same one i want to get one day , now I wonder what my 6 bulb Sunpower weighs. I have a hanging bracket that attaches to my stand and not sure how much weight it can hold.

Reef Supplies
11-27-2013, 03:49 PM
@ Mike, the tank looks great!

I would not worry to much about the weight. We have been hanging much heavier german metal halide fixtures for ever without issues. Obviously you need to be careful and anchor them correctly. If you can not find a stud, you can use 1/2" spring loaded metal butterfly anchors (Toggle Bolts).

These guys tested the 3/4" with downward (Shear) pressure and it failed at 300+ LBS. with 1/2" drywall. http://www.todayshomeowner.com/testing-wall-anchors-and-picture-hangers/

That capacity will NOT be the same with tension pressure(like hanging chandelier) but it can easily hold half that amount. I have personally tested a hang kit with these and it help me up no problem.

What important is the your drywall is sound. Do NOT hang if the drywall has been repaired.

Here is the shipping weight of each fixture…

ATI2601 ATI 24" 1x75W LED & 4x24W T5 LED 17.0LBS
ATI2603 ATI 24" 1x75W LED & 8x24W T5 LED 27.6 LBS
ATI2605 ATI 36" 2x75W LED & 4x39W T5 LED 24.0 LBS
ATI2607 ATI 36" 2x75W LED & 8x39W T5 LED 39.0 LBS
ATI2609 ATI 48" 3x75W LED & 4x54W T5 LED 31.4 LBS
ATI2611 ATI 48" 3x75W LED & 8x54W T5 LED 51.0 LBS
ATI2613 ATI 60" 4x75W LED & 4x80W T5 LED 39.0 LBS
ATI2615 ATI 60" 4x75W LED & 8x80W T5 LED 63.3 LBS

mikepclo
11-27-2013, 07:10 PM
@ Mike, the tank looks great!

I would not worry to much about the weight. We have been hanging much heavier german metal halide fixtures for ever without issues. Obviously you need to be careful and anchor them correctly. If you can not find a stud, you can use 1/2" spring loaded metal butterfly anchors (Toggle Bolts).

These guys tested the 3/4" with downward (Shear) pressure and it failed at 300+ LBS. with 1/2" drywall. http://www.todayshomeowner.com/testing-wall-anchors-and-picture-hangers/

That capacity will NOT be the same with tension pressure(like hanging chandelier) but it can easily hold half that amount. I have personally tested a hang kit with these and it help me up no problem.

What important is the your drywall is sound. Do NOT hang if the drywall has been repaired.

Here is the shipping weight of each fixture…

ATI2601 ATI 24" 1x75W LED & 4x24W T5 LED 17.0LBS
ATI2603 ATI 24" 1x75W LED & 8x24W T5 LED 27.6 LBS
ATI2605 ATI 36" 2x75W LED & 4x39W T5 LED 24.0 LBS
ATI2607 ATI 36" 2x75W LED & 8x39W T5 LED 39.0 LBS
ATI2609 ATI 48" 3x75W LED & 4x54W T5 LED 31.4 LBS
ATI2611 ATI 48" 3x75W LED & 8x54W T5 LED 51.0 LBS
ATI2613 ATI 60" 4x75W LED & 4x80W T5 LED 39.0 LBS
ATI2615 ATI 60" 4x75W LED & 8x80W T5 LED 63.3 LBS

Thanks for the great info Ray?! I feel much better now! :laluot_18:

Wheelman76
11-27-2013, 07:23 PM
Hey Ray do you happen to know the shipping weight of the 48" 6x54w Sunpower fixture?

Reef Supplies
11-27-2013, 07:49 PM
Hey Ray do you happen to know the shipping weight of the 48" 6x54w Sunpower fixture?

Yupp...

4 x 24w 588 x 240 x 60mm 3.60kg
4 x 39w 888 x 240 x 60mm 4.50kg
4 x 54w 1188 x 240 x 60mm 4.75kg
4 x 80w 1488 x 240 x 60mm 6.10kg
6 x 24w 588 x 340 x 60mm 4.60kg
6 x 39w 888 x 340 x 60mm 5.70kg
6 x 54w 1188 x 340 x 60mm 6.80kg
6 x 80w 1488 x 340 x 60mm 8.00kg
8 x 24w 588 x 440 x 60mm 9.00kgs
8 x 39w 888 x 440 x 60mm 10.00kgs
8 x 54w 1188 x 440 x 60mm 13.0kgs
8 x 80w 1488 x 440 x 60mm 16.00kgs

Wheelman76
11-28-2013, 12:29 AM
Yupp...

4 x 24w 588 x 240 x 60mm 3.60kg
4 x 39w 888 x 240 x 60mm 4.50kg
4 x 54w 1188 x 240 x 60mm 4.75kg
4 x 80w 1488 x 240 x 60mm 6.10kg
6 x 24w 588 x 340 x 60mm 4.60kg
6 x 39w 888 x 340 x 60mm 5.70kg
6 x 54w 1188 x 340 x 60mm 6.80kg
6 x 80w 1488 x 340 x 60mm 8.00kg
8 x 24w 588 x 440 x 60mm 9.00kgs
8 x 39w 888 x 440 x 60mm 10.00kgs
8 x 54w 1188 x 440 x 60mm 13.0kgs
8 x 80w 1488 x 440 x 60mm 16.00kgs

Thanks Ray!!