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wreck
11-14-2013, 02:17 PM
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2012/3/chemistry

found it interesting sorry if it has been posted before

from the above article:

Rinsing Foods and the Effect on Phosphate

Now that we have some information on the phosphate in foods, we can critically examine the concern that many aquarists have about foods, and specifically their rinsing of frozen foods before use. A typical test you see is someone taking a cube of fish food, thawing it, and putting it into a half cup of water. They then test that water for phosphate and find it "off the charts". Let's assume that means 1 ppm phosphate, which would give a very dark blue color in many phosphate tests. Bear in mind this is a thought problem, not an actual measured value, but it is typical of what people think the answer is.
Is that a lot of phosphate? Well, there are two ways to think of the answer.
The first way is as a portion of the total phosphate in that food. A half cup of water at 1 ppm (1 mg/L) phosphate contains a total of 0.12 mg of phosphate. A cube of Formula 2 contains about 11.2 mg of phosphate. So the hypothetical rinsing step has removed about 1 percent of the phosphate in that food. Not really worthwhile, in my opinion, but that decision is one every aquarist can make for themselves.
The second way to look at this rinsing is with respect to how much it reduces the boost to the aquarium phosphate concentration. Using the same calculation as above of 0.12 mg of phosphate, and adding that to 100 gallons total water volume, we find that phosphate that was rinsed away would have boosted the "in tank" phosphate concentration by 0.12 mg/379 L = 0.0003 ppm. That amount washed away does not seem significant with respect to the "in tank" target level of about 50-100 times that level (say, 0.015 to 0.03 ppm), nor does it seem significant relative to the total amount of phosphate actually added each day in foods (which is perhaps 50-1000 times as much, based on input rates from Table 4. Again, the conclusion I make is that rinsing is not really worthwhile, in my opinion.

somewherebeyondthesea
11-14-2013, 03:15 PM
Excellent findings, I've often wondered what those numbers were myself, I could see how this may affect nano tanks if someone was doing multiple feedings.

Let me know if you find more info!

Treebeard
11-14-2013, 07:45 PM
Thanks for posting this. It makes me feel OK with my habit of never rinsing frozen food. The mysis I feed are small and I would likely lose half of them anyways. I also feed cyclopeze which would be a real challenge to rinse.

rayjay
11-14-2013, 07:56 PM
For me, I rinse to rid the micro particles that otherwise will add to the tank loading and faster deterioration of water quality. Any preservatives that get removed along with that is just icing on the cake.
Rinsing food of ANY size is not a problem as I have various nets with differing sieve sizes to accommodate even smaller food than cyclopeze.

Rogue951
11-14-2013, 11:24 PM
I don't have a net that small so i just poured the melt water off.
but since it doesn't seem to be that big a deal and I only feed 2 cubes a day I guess i don't need to worry about it so much.
Thanks.

Madreefer
11-14-2013, 11:39 PM
Interesting read thanks. I make my own food and I rinse rinse rinse. It may not help according to the experts but it makes me feel better. I'm not changing my ways.:lol:

asylumdown
11-15-2013, 12:39 AM
that is very interesting. The only reason I was rinsing my food for the past year was because the place I thaw out my cubes in warm water is on the other side of the house from the tank and I always spill gross nasty fish water walking the cup across the house unless I strain it out! Now I'm rinsing so that I can feed to frozen food directly from the strainer in to the tank. I'm trying to train a fish I want to catch to not be afraid of nets!

AdamsB
11-15-2013, 12:42 AM
Coffee filters are great for draining the "juices" off. Particularly the reusable ones because they hold the cone shape.

SeaHorse_Fanatic
11-15-2013, 01:05 AM
It's NOT just phosphates I am trying to reduce when I rinse my food before feeding. If I was using the little cubes, then maybe I wouldn't bother and just toss the whole cube in the tank. But I use the big blocks and break off good sized chunks which would add significantly more pollutants into my tanks without being rinsed.

gregzz4
11-15-2013, 03:22 AM
I use the big packs too, and will keep rinsing before I cube and freeze
My reasoning for rinsing is that the 'free' phosphates added through the 'juice' is only fuel for algae, not critter food
Whatever phosphates are actually 'in' the food will be processed by the critters eating said food